david starling
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The discovery of a planet beyond Saturn was the result of another Age of Capricorn invention, the telescope.
The fastest developments in recorded human history came from 18th century and in the last 200 years we have had unprecedented progresses. This coincided with the discovery of the first of the trans-saturnian planets-Uranus and escalated with the discovery of Neptune and Pluto after that. Uranus was discovered around the time electricity was discovered in the mid 18th century. Since then Astrologers noticed that Uranus and its transits are always involved with technological progress. People who have personal Uranus transit also get suddenly involved with high tech, science and progressive new trends. Uranus is the planet associated with electricity, which made the the scientific revolution possible. The Discovery of Uranus “coincided” with the start of the Enlightenment and the Industrial Revolution. Uranus is very intellectual and scientific planet which makes new inventions possible.
Is the use of new technology in war, "Progress"? Is the pollution caused by the new developments in technology, "Progress"?
Saturn-oriented Capricorn:
Cardinal-sign, meaning innovative and inventive.
Earth-sign, meaning materialistic, focused on the physical level
Keywords--Use, usefulness.
Money-oriented, meaning monetary profit.
The Renaissance (c.1400-1600 A.D.) was extremely inventive, and marked the beginning of the materialistic transition from the ancient to the modern world. That includes the banking system. Also, the telescope, which opened up astronomy to the "new" planets. Even the concept of a "Solar-system" began to replace the ancient Earth-centered paradigm.
Cardinal-sign Ages don't show their true results until the last Decant, which began around 1600, and accelerated from there. So, with only the sidereal Age of Pisces to go on, it APPEARS that a premature Aquarian Age is necessary to explain the technological advancements. Factor in the tropical Age of Capricorn, and that explains it far better. [IMO]
Well, it would depend on a person’s definition of progress is. Personally, I don’t think what we have is progress but, that is me. The people who built the pyramids were progressive.
Sidereal Aquarius is here. 😄 bumps, lumps, and down in the dumps.
They have closed some of the bottle depots. The poorest are losing spots to cash in. And lots of places are refusing cash. The poorest don’t have cards.
Everybody, watch your purses and wallets. It will get crazier if this keeps going.
Opal, do you see Aquarius as a Domicile of Saturn, along with Capricorn?
That would explain why you expect so little from an Aquarian Age.
Well, let’s pretend we are 2 degrees into Aquarius. It has a lot of time, to come into it’s own. Big change doesn’t happen overnight. I expect a lot from Aquarius. Just probably not in this lifetime, of mine. 😉
No, I don’t really see it domicile in Capricorn, I am apparently a modernist.
I think you meant you don't see Saturn as a Domicle-ruler of Aquarius. A lot of Modernistic astrologers are still using both Cap and Aqua as Saturn's Domiciles. To me, that makes much less sense than using both Aries and Scorpio as Domiciles for Mars, or Libra and Taurus as Domiciles for Venus.
Here's the problem I have with the claim that the sidereal Aquarian Age has already begun:
First, sidereal Signs have variable settings, because unlike the tropical Signs, there isn't a unanimous decision on how to locate them....Second, those who are actually using siderealism for reading Charts, have the sidereal Aquarian Age still centuries away.
I don't even read charts sidereal. My take is that the Ages are sidereal. Natal, I far prefer tropical. Sidereal is for the Ages. My, humble opinion.
Thirdly, those who choose a start-date for the sidereal Aquarian Age having already begun, don't appear to BE siderealists EXCEPT when it comes to the Ages.
Yes, I think, that is what it was meant to be used for.
There may be some, but I haven't become aware of anyone using a sidereal Chart with an Aquarian Age already "in progress" for any of the other transiting indicators, such as the Sun, Moon, or Asc, for example.*
*Macro-astrologer Terry MacKinnell is one notable exception. I'll be giving a brief description of his method, but be advised, it's quite different than the standard one, and gives a sidereal Aquarian Age beginning way back during the Renaissance era. I'm interested in what Opal will have to say about it.
Here's the problem I have with the claim that the sidereal Aquarian Age has already begun:
First, sidereal Signs have variable settings, because unlike the tropical Signs, there isn't a unanimous decision on how to locate them....Second, those who are actually using siderealism for reading Charts, have the sidereal Aquarian Age still centuries away.
Thirdly, those who choose a start-date for the sidereal Aquarian Age having already begun, don't appear to BE siderealists EXCEPT when it comes to the Ages. There may be some, but I haven't become aware of anyone using a sidereal Chart with an Aquarian Age already "in progress" for any of the other transiting indicators, such as the Sun, Moon, or Asc, for example.*
*Macro-astrologer Terry MacKinnell is one notable exception. I'll be giving a brief description of his method, but be advised, it's quite different than the standard one, and gives a sidereal Aquarian Age beginning way back during the Renaissance era. I'm interested in what Opal will have to say about it.
To start with, Terry MacKinnell doesn't arrive at such an early beginning for the sidereal Aquarian Age by twisting the sidereal zodiac to suit the Age-start. In fact, with his location of the sidereal Sign-boundaries, and using the standard sidereal Age-indicator, the Age wouldn't begin until about the year 2500.
This thread is really about tropical Ages. However, since determining the tropical Ages requires the use of the 30 degree Age-window, T.M.'s Age-method for the sidereal zodiac is a good illustration of how the setting of the Age-window can alter the time-line for the sidereal Ages relative to its standard sidereal setting.
He doesn't have really low expectations for the sidereal Aquarian Age, because he relies heavily on the Sign-overlap (that the Age-window explains so well)--in his opinion, even though the Age has been in progress for 500 years already, the sidereal Age of Aquarius can't fully MANIFEST its true results until the halfway-mark, which won't occur until about the year 2500.
I need to read more of him to see what I think of him and his theories.
Magnetic energy drawn from Earth's magnetic field will replace the generation of electrical energy by means of combustion. This was Nicola Tesla's great contribution, but it will be so abundant that it can't be profitable. The Capitalist economic system of this Age of Capricorn requires profit.