Astrology As Science

DinoCrisis

DinoCrisis

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Clinton Soule;

There is nothing of which you post that I or Santos Bonacci - taking liberty to speak for him yet understanding his teachings quite well - would disagree other than my premise, in disagreement with Bonacci's - that there does not exist, nor has there been in this thread or my research shown, any definitive acceptance by modern science that astrology - or astrotheology - is a matter of science.

Because Bonacci, you or the Rosies, or anyone else states that astrology is a science does not make it so. As I have said repeatedly before, I really don't give a **** about defining astrology or astrotheology as a science.

Bonacci does.

Excellent post, thank you for that.

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=484923&posted=1#post484923
 
DinoCrisis

DinoCrisis

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JUPITERASC said:
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Leon: Church of San Isodora Zodiac Carvings
From left to right: Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn,
Sagittarius, Scorpio and Libra


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Leon: Church of San Isodora Zodiac Carvings
From left to right: Virgo, Leo, Cancer, Gemini,
Taurus and Aries

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Leon: Church of San Isodora
across the top of the arch are the 12th century Zodiac carvings.

Curiouser and curiouser.... There's more than just the Fixed Signs :smile:
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Much more. Much, much more. :smile:

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=484923&posted=1#post484923
 
Clinton Soule

Clinton Soule

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Even though I see the OP is now banned this argument that astrology is not a science goes back to the Renasaince as Robert hand has stated casting us as a pseudo-science.

But many astrologers have took the stand that astrology is a science:

1) The teachers at the Rosicrucian Fellowship

http://www.rosicrucian.com/ssa/ssaeng01.htm

2)William F. Lilly put astrology, philosophy, and Science in the same house, the ninth(Philosophy, Scince, Religion, etc.)

3)Robert Hand the Science of astrology

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMxWRBmo-ls

4)test out if astrology is scientific:

http://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/astrology_checklist

5) What does Wikipedia say?

http://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/astrology_checklist

6)This group thinks it is:

http://www.scienceofastrology.com/

7) What does Psychology Today say:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-decision-tree/201107/science-confirms-astrology

8)Kevin Williams says Yes, it's scientic:

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/articles012.html

9)Knowledge vs, Superstition

http://lastrealindians.com/science-v-astrology-knowledge-v-superstition-denny-gayton/

10)Arthur M. Young says:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLqFKKXqajM

11)Albert Einstein said '...power comes in right angles..'

Now doesn't sound just like a square which is Mars like, forcing things to move?

12)Western and Vedic astrology is it scientific?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o9pEvJ3ah4

13)Kings of the past and wise men studied astrology as a science, Why?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AOFQMKfT5s

14)Jewish Einstein was famous for saying something about his unbelief of God playing Dice with the universe:

http://www.hawking.org.uk/does-god-play-dice.html


Clinton Garrett Soule

Wise men truly know how little they know

Psalm 19:1-4 Amplified Bible (AMP)

1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows and proclaims His handiwork.
2 Day after day pours forth speech, and night after night shows forth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor spoken word [from the stars]; their voice is not heard.
4 Yet their voice [in evidence] goes out through all the earth, their sayings to the end of the world. Of the heavens has God made a tent for the sun,
 
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JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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Clinton Soule said:
JupiterAsc, could you post another youtube on this, my govt. has blocked it in the USA on copyright grounds?

Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4SVVKuOr0c


Clinton Garrett Soule

Wise men truly know how little they know

Matthew 2:1 Expanded Bible
[ Wise Men Come to Visit Jesus ] ·When [After] Jesus was born in the town of Bethlehem in Judea during the time when Herod was king, some ·wise men [astrologers; magi; C a class of wise men and priests who practiced astrology] from the east came to Jerusalem.

http://www.newsreview.com/reno/star-...tent?oid=22904
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Hi Clinton Soule - my signature now has a different link to 'Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead' by Tom Stoppard :smile:

If it's still blocked perhaps then check online video providers
 
JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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LAWRENCE EDWARDS WORK WITH PLANT BUDS http://www.astro-calendar.com/shtml/...edwards2.shtml

Lawrence Edwards, retired mathematics teacher
researched forms of living nature, using geometric analysis.
1982 daily began taking photographs of tree buds
on selection of trees
discovered that buds expanded and contracted
to an approximate fortnightly rhythm.
These periods varied between 13.6 and 14.7 days
but each species of bud kept the same period in their rhythm.
Edwards realised these were astronomical rhythms,
each period correlated to
Moon's alignment with a planet and Earth :smile:


'…..When Earth, Moon and planet were in straight line
buds of the tree where more rounded, expanded shape.
When Moon and planet where 900 apart
(as seen from the Earth)
the buds took on a more oval, contracted shape
sharp at one end and blunt at the other.
Even in the middle of Winter
buds are doing a rhythmic dance whose tune is called by the planetary movements......'


TREE--------------------------------ASPECTS BETWEEN-------------PERIOD DAYS

Ash-------------------------------------------Moon / Sun ---------------------------14.77

Elm -------------------------------------------Moon / Mercury -----------------------14.77
Birch -------------------------- ---- --------- Moon / Venus --------------------------14.77
Oak -------------------------------------------Moon / Mars --------------------------14.23
Maple, Sycamore -------------------------Moon / Jupiter ----------------------- 13.75
Beech, Hornbeam, Conifers ---- ------ Moon / Saturn ------------------------13.67
 
Senecar

Senecar

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To answer that question, one must define what Science is.

If Science is studies for looking for the truths, but its method is based on empirical data and its analysis, then Astrology is a Science.

Because that is what Astrology is LARGELY based on. It is a combined Science of Astronomy, Religion and Psychology (in modern times).

Because also Astrology's antiquity in origin, one should not ignore, what and how the ancients dealt with the subject. One cannot just look at Astrology from present point of view, or angle of so called "professional scientists", and define what Astrology is. In that case, they are destined to arrive at narrow short sighted misconception on what Astrology is.
 
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I don't know what all that "Astrotheology" business is about... there's nothing to it to worship.
Is anybody genuflecting to and worshipping Pluto or the Moon... and it's improving their lives, wildly (or in any measure)?

I've always said Astrology is a mysticism, a divination... it can hardly be considered a science or religion.
 
JUPITERASC

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Doomsday said:
I don't know what all that "Astrotheology" business is about...
there's nothing to it to worship.
Is anybody genuflecting to and worshipping Pluto
or the Moon...
and it's improving their lives, wildly (or in any measure)?

I've always said Astrology is a mysticism, a divination...
it can hardly be considered a science or religion.
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On our traditional board no one worships dwarf planetoid pluto :smile:
 
Whoam1

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Hmmm.Sidereal astrology is more scientic tham tropical, using the actual positions, using angles as prominet places and the Sun if course as the main sign (or if it is hard aspect with other planets you more likely take the nature of that planet ie it's sign). The angles are active places they are more apparent but not necessarily stronger. They also study people (they take random samples of people and note there job and life span etc. Then list the averages ex: is that many sidereal sag are head if states compared to some other signs.)

However, you have me a moon in Leo, Sun in Saggitarius and angular Jupiter that has very little sidereal Saggitarius traits and they do blame some of it in Pluto (which represents disruption and is seldom used) only cause it aspects my moon is it more personal. Still scientificly speaking how could something as tiny as Pluto be so disruptive (symbolically look at its orbit).

Even if they make it more scientific it isn't a science.

I study all forms of astrology as a mystic force if it was a science then I can't say I would study it
 
JUPITERASC

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Whoam1 said:
Hmmm.Sidereal astrology is more scientic tham tropical, using the actual positions, using angles as prominet places and the Sun if course as the main sign (or if it is hard aspect with other planets you more likely take the nature of that planet ie it's sign). The angles are active places they are more apparent but not necessarily stronger. They also study people (they take random samples of people and note there job and life span etc. Then list the averages ex: is that many sidereal sag are head if states compared to some other signs.)

However, you have me a moon in Leo, Sun in Saggitarius and angular Jupiter that has very little sidereal Saggitarius traits and they do blame some of it in
Pluto (which represents disruption and is seldom used)
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dwarf planetoid pluto is irrelevant on Traditional board
read the Traditional board rules at top of Traditional board page :smile:
'....excludes modern planets Neptune, Uranus and Pluto...'
Whoam1 said:
only cause it aspects my moon is it more personal. Still scientificly speaking how could something as tiny as Pluto be so disruptive (symbolically look at its orbit).

Even if they make it more scientific it isn't a science.

I study all forms of astrology as a mystic force if it was a science then I can't say I would study it
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Whoam1

Whoam1

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Yes. Jupiter sag thats exactly my point!
If it's such a science then why would they use a dawrf planet as an explanation (which scientificly makes no sense).
 
JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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Whoam1 said:
Yea I'm not here to argue Pluto
(especially not on a scientific stand point).
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dwarf planetoids are extraneous
- so would be interesting to have your comments
on your perspective
of how astrology could be more scientific :smile:
and whether there are any forms of astrology that you consider ARE scientific
 
Senecar

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JUPITERASC said:
Exactly - so what's your definition :smile:
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You seem having habit of answering with questions for my questions :)

The word Science originates from Latin Scentia, which means to learn and to know.

So it is just knowledge of something, if you go by the original meaning of science.
And it is also for knowledge which is acquired by classification, observation, analysis and experimentation and comparisons from set rules and principles.

If you apply above criteria to astrology, and ask whether astrology is science, then I would think yes, there are strong tendencies, characteristics and properties that astrology is a science. It also has aspects of psychology and occultism too in some respect.

Of course, these days the meaning of the word has expanded, and also some people seem to think that science is only to do with some technological machine engineering stuff or some chemical physical biological stuff happening in laboratories. I think it is a very narrow and secularised notion of definition of science.

I was quite shocked to see also some people actually attack on the people who use science from its original or expanded meaning, as if it is not allowed or ignorant practice.
 
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