A Voyage of Discovery: Astrological Ages for the Tropical Zodiac

petosiris

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What are the perimeters that you would accept as proof? What are the limits that you set?

Are we are limited to the Bible?

I am not sure exactly, but it must be something better than ''consensus amongst historians says''.

I am not limited to the Bible, because of my belief, but because of its truth, that is why I believe in it.
 

Opal

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I am not sure exactly, but it must be something better than ''consensus amongst historians says''.

I am not limited to the Bible, because of my belief, but because of its truth, that is why I believe in it.

That is too indefinite.

You want to have it explained, if we are to take the time, you are responsible for defining the perimeters of your acceptance.
 

petosiris

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That is too indefinite.

You want to have it explained, if we are to take the time, you are responsible for defining the perimeters of your acceptance.

If I was familiar with all the evidence, I would have already made my mind either way. David says there is hard evidence that the First Egyptian Dynasty began c. 3100 BC and that writing was invented hundreds of years before that. I am asking what is the evidence.
 

petosiris

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For example, the reigns of Xerxes and Artaxerxes can be fixed in a somewhat harder way using the cuneiform tablets that contain astronomical data. A person who follows another historical chronology due to the writings of Thucydides or the Talmud is going to have a hard time arguing against fixed positions in the respective years of their reign. But nothing remotely similar exists for the early Egyptian dynasties. It is absurd to declare hardness from what is soft evidence.
 

david starling

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Looks like 3100 B.C.E.(+/-100 years) is based on radiocarbon dating of the Palermo Stone, in addition to archaeological evidence. It's a 5th Dynasty listing of kings and queens beginning with the First Dynasty.
 

petosiris

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Looks like 3100 B.C.E.(+/-100 years) is based on radiocarbon dating of the Palermo Stone, in addition to archaeological evidence. It's a 5th Dynasty listing of kings and queens beginning with the First Dynasty.

The radiocarbon dating of various first dynasty artefacts is based on certain philosophical presupposition of weighing radiocarbon results with dates already presumed to be valid for said carbon-14 concentration as in - https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rspa.2013.0395
 
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petosiris

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Peto, what's your problem with 3100 B.C.E. for the 1st Dynasty?

No, Egyptian Chronology doesn't conflict with the Assyrian or the Jewish as shown in the following chronology by archaeologist David Down:

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Does it conflict with the word-of-mouth Judeo-Christian historical fiction? :biggrin:

You don't know what you are talking about.
 

petosiris

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Yeah, because you believe the world is only 6000 years old, right? :biggrin:

Yeah, great fun.

There are many true Christians of pure and pious faith who believe the world is 2300000 times older. But I and others who are right-minded Christians on all points are assured that it is younger by simple reading of the Torah.
 

petosiris

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Who do Christians believe built the pyramids at Giza?

I assume they are the same pharaohs as Egyptologists believe, just dated later and with different view with regard to the average lifespan and maybe knowledge of building towers. Josephus says that Abraham imparted greater arithmetical and astronomical knowledge, as for the construction of the Khufu pyramid as a Chaldean, but this is speculation common in the Roman period (I mean the relationship between the Chaldeans and the Egyptians).

The pyramids are not mentioned in Scripture. The Israelites were enslaved and forced to make mud bricks for something. Josephus says that they were forced to build some pyramids.

Christians believe the history of the Jews who were once enslaved in Egypt, but redeemed by great wonders by the God of Abraham.
 
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david starling

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I trust the tropical Age timeline, which makes 3100 B.C.E. the most probable date for the First Dynasty, +/- about 100 years.

Similarly, I place the Exodus around 1350 B.C.E., which is when the tropical Age of the Water-sign Scorpio changed to Fire-sign Sagittarius. The Ancient Egyptian culture was a product of the Water-sign Age, so that symbolizes why the Pharoah's army couldn't follow them across the Red Sea.

The Hellenistic Age is synchronistic with the Age of Sagittarius, just as the Church Age corresponds to the tropical Age of Capricorn. The time of Jesus was during the spiritual, visionary Age of Sagittarius. The rise to power of the religious intitution based on his teachings was far more materialistic than what he was really about, since it was a manifestation during an Earth-sign Age. 400 A.D. shows a clear demarcation between those two Ages.

The full impact of this Saturnian-ruled, Earth-sign Age, is the new technology and a lack of belief in the human Soul. That took about 1400 years to emerge against the resistance of the background Age of Sagittarius, which incorporates the entire Fall Season of Ages.

The Aquarian Age will be a continuation of this Winter Season of Ages, now dominating the world. However it will also mean a return to the spiritual plane of reality, from the perspective of an Air-sign, ruled by a planet named for the Heavens (the Uran- prefix refers to the Heavens).
 
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david starling

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Since the mainstream of this current Age is too materialistic to encompass astrology as a viable source of information, when it comes to the clear manifestations of the Age, I turn to the astrological designation of Capricorn as the 10th Sign, rather than an emphasis on the goat symbol. So, in that sense, it's the "Base-ten Age". Modern Science relies on the Decimal system. And, we're inclined to think in terms of powers of 10, like Decades, Centuries, and Millennia.

With Age-ruler Saturn identified with "Father Time", note the overwhelming need to know the exact time all the time, on a shared basis. No longer any need to "synchronize your watches", since that's done automatically, with Lines of Time encircling the planet. One of the most obvious developments of the Age is the gradually increasing ability to measure exact time, and its importance to our new technology and in our daily lives. The Stock Market of this Age's Capitalistic economic system is extremely time-sensitive.
 
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petosiris

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There were materialists in Ancient Greece and Christian ones in 3rd c. Arabia. Noah became deified as Saturn, his son Ham as Jupiter, of whom Mizraim descends.
 

david starling

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There were materialists in Ancient Greece and Christian ones in 3rd c. Arabia. Noah became deified as Saturn, his son Ham as Jupiter, of whom Mizraim descends.

Ages aren't lockstep, because they have different astrological effects based on the rest of the Chart. The manifestations of an Age are the aggregate result of the Age effect on everyone's Chart at once, for so many Centuries. Not everyone is pro-Age of Capricorn, for example, but the majority rules.
 

david starling

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Not everyone is in favor of the Caprilistic economic system, but it's the best we can do for now. Socialism (as it's properly defined) is too dictatorial and inefficient to be a viable alternative.
 

petosiris

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Ages aren't lockstep, because they have different astrological effects based on the rest of the Chart. The manifestations of an Age are the aggregate result of the Age effect on everyone's Chart at once, for so many Centuries. Not everyone is pro-Age of Capricorn, for example, but the majority rules.

There has to be some important event that wasn't present in the previous age. Look at the constellations around the autumnal equinox as the start of the year instead.

Scorpio - Creation through the Word of God
Libra - Abraham to whom the Word of God was revealed
Virgo - Messiah as a servant, the Word of God in the flesh from the virgin
Leo - Messiah as a king, the Word of God from the right hand of the power, raises the righteous
Mid-Leo - the Word of God throws the Adversary into the lake, raises and judges the wicked with the saints
New Heaven and New Earth - without luminaries and stars, since the Word of God and the Spirit of God fill it with light
 
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