Chatter and natter 😍😍

Gemini888 said:

Tbh I don't really care for SR or LR unless I need to check something. I just go on with my life

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Gemini888 said:

@Kat how is your progressed chart/SR doing btw?

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david starling said:

With a Pisces Sun, what stands out for me in an SR chart is the Moon.
Maybe with a Gemini Sun it would be Venus. In 12/12, the Moon is Motivational-ruler of Pisces, as is Venus for Gemini.

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three M symbols said:

What is "12/12"?

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david starling said:

One of the 1st steps in making 12/12 an accessible addition to standard, well-known Modernistic techniques, is explaining the Domicile-rulers. Because, they form the framework for everything that follows.
That aside, accepting the Domicile-rulers as they are for now, here's why the is the Motivational-ruler of in the 12/12 pattern. For the short version, see the *** designation below.

•Basic premise: The Signs are in transition in Direct-order, one to the next.
•In this case, is Mutable-Water transitioning to , Cardinal-Fire. Starting with the Modality, the transition occurs with a "Facilitating-sign" which has the Modality of , and the Element of the Sign into which it will transform, in this case, Fire. That gives , Mutable-Fire, as the "Facilitator".
•Next, in this case, the combination of the Element of the Sign in transition, Water, and the Modality of the Sign into which it will transform, Cardinal, gives , Cardinal-Water, the role of "Catalytic-sign", regarding the changeover from to .
•Now, bringing in the Domicle-rulers of the Facilitating-sign, , and the Catalytic-sign, , there's a major change in 12/12 regarding only 3 Modernistic Domicile-rulers, and that of is one of them. In 12/12, it's Domicle-ruler is "Apollo's Triangle", comprising the visible portion of the Heavens. Its indicating-points are the Asc, M.C., and Desc, with the leading point, the Asc, as first and foremost. So, the Ascendant, associated with the Greco-Roman god Apollo, is the operative Domicle-ruler of the Facilitating-sign for .
•This makes (Apollo's) Ascendant, as Domicile-ruler of the Facilitating-sign , the "Regulating-ruler" of . It pushes for the slow-to-transform, Mutable-Water-sign, to keep transtioning. In other cases, the Regulating-ruler slows down the rate of transition. The actual rate of transit of each Domicle-ruler correlates to whether a Regulating-ruler is about slowing down, or speeding up the process of transformation. , Domicle-ruler of , is MUCH slower to transit a Sign than it's Regulating-ruler, the Ascendant, so it's definitely a hurry-it-up relationship.
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•Now, bring in the Domicle-ruler of the Catalytic-sign, which in this case is the . The is the Motivational-ruler of , because it's Domiciled in the Catalytic-sign for , which is .
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•The Motivational-ruler, as well as the Catalytic-sign, are "in-Service" to the Regulating-ruler, which is thereby able to either encourage or discourage transformation.
•For each transitional, transformative grouping of Signs and their Domicile-rulers, there's an interrelationship within the group. The Exalted-ruler of a Catalytic-sign = the Domicile-ruler of the Facilitating-sign it's paired with.
•For example, to find the Exalted-ruler of in 12/12, we go to the transition of Fixed-Water, , to Mutable-Fire, . Here, we have the as Regulating-ruler, since it's Domiciled in Fixed (like ) Fire (like );, and as Motivational-ruler, since it's Domicle-ruler of Mutable (like ) Water (like ). That makes AND its own Domicle-ruler , in-Service to the , and therefore the is Exalted in . The Regulating-ruler of , the , is much faster in transiting a Sign than , so its a hurry-it-up influence.
•To find the Benefactory-ruler of a Sign, it's just the reverse of determining the Exalted-ruler. In the first example given, the transformative group for is Asc/ as Regulator/Facilitator, and / as Motivator/Catalyst.
With Catalytic in-Service to (Apollo's) Asc as this grouping's Regulator, the Asc is Exalted in . And, with the Domicle-ruler of , the , as the Motivator, in-Service to the Facilitator, , the in is a Benefactor.

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david starling said:

Here are the results. The terminology needs some work, but it's close enough for now.

(#1) Aries:
Domicled ruler••• Mars
Regulator••• Saturn
Motivator••• Sun
Benefactor(s)••• Pluto + NN
Exalted in Aries•••Jupiter

(#2) Taurus:
Domicled ruler(s)•••(Gaia's) Age-indicator + SN
Regulator•••••
Motivator••• Jupiter
Benefactor(s)••• (Apollo's) Ascendant + Chiron
Exalted in Taurus••• Venus

(#3) Gemini:
Domicled ruler••• Mercury
Regulator••• Neptune
Motivator••• Venus
Benefactor••• Saturn
Exalted in Gemini••• Pluto + NN

(#4)
Domicled ruler••• Moon
Regulator••• Mars
Motivator(s)••• Pluto + NN
Benefactor•••••
Exalted in ••• (Apollo's) Ascendant + Chiron

(#5) Leo
Domicled ruler••• Sun
Regulator(s)••• (Gaia's) Age-indicator + SN
Motivator(s)••• (Apollo's) Ascendant + Chiron
Benefactor••• Neptune
Exalted in Leo••• Saturn

(#6) Virgo
Domicled ruler••• Jupiter
Regulator••• Mercury
Motivator••• Saturn
Benefactor••• Mars
Exalted in Virgo•••••

(#7) Libra
Domicled ruler••• Venus
Regulator••• Moon
Motivator•••••
Benefactor(s)••• (Gaia's) Age-indicator +SN
Exalted in Libra••• Neptune

(#8) Scorpio
Domicled ruler(s)••• Pluto + NN
Regulator••• Sun
Motivator••• Neptune
Benefactor••• Mercury
Exalted in Scorpio••• Mars

(#9) Sagittarius
Domicled ruler(s)••• (Apollo's) Ascendant + Chiron
Regulator••• Jupiter
Motivator••• Mars
Benefactor••• Moon
Exalted in Sagittarius••• (Gaia's) Age-indicator + SN

(#10) Capricorn
Domicled ruler••• Saturn
Regulator••• Venus
Motivator(s)••• (Gaia's) Age-indicator + SN
Benefactor••• Sun
Exalted in Capricorn••• Mercury

(#11) Aquarius
Domicled ruler•••••
Regulator••• Pluto + NN
Motivator••• Mercury
Benefactor••• Jupiter
Exalted in Aquarius••• Moon

(#12) Pisces
Domicled ruler••• Neptune
Regulator(s)••• (Apollo's) Ascendant + Chiron
Motivator••• Moon
Benefactor••• Venus
Exalted in Pisces••• Sun

There's a consistent method used to delineate the above rulership combinations, which I'm calling the "12/12 Pattern".

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moonkat235 said:

It's david starling's system/pattern, developed through years of astrological observation and practice!

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david starling said:

Still haven't explained the origin of the tropical Age method, which began with a careful study of the commonly known sidereal Ages. I have been mulling it over though, and I think describing the Age-indicator as "the leading-point of an Age Window" is more descriptive than "Age-interval" or "Age Trident".

Riddle: What do you call a device that enables you to see through walls?

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three M symbols said:

It appears to be a nice LR !

Sag asc, Jupiter in 1st house.
Mercury and Venus in Lr 10th. Sun (ruler of my natal 10th H) conjunct Lr MC. But chiron oppose it (conjunct IC)

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Gemini888 said:

Tbh I don't really care for SR or LR unless I need to check something. I just go on with my life

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moonkat235 said:

I feel like it's kinda fun to look at SR and LR charts personally, but yeah, I usually do it in hindsight and just live my life.

I've seen people look at SR/LR charts to determine what areas of life are emphasized at the time. Like, for example, if the SR/LR has a lot of planets in Virgo, then I know the 8H will be emphasized during that time period, because my 8H cusp is in Virgo.

Also, @8, are you gonna get on discord?

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david starling said:

Still haven't explained the origin of the tropical Age method, which began with a careful study of the commonly known sidereal Ages. I have been mulling it over though, and I think describing the Age-indicator as "the leading-point of an Age Window" is more descriptive than "Age-interval" or "Age Trident".

Riddle: What do you call a device that enables you to see through walls?

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Hkk said:

Hi Moonkat, welcome to the thread!

Yes it is fun to look at and work it out 😊

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moonkat235 said:

Thanks for the welcome!

Wassup?

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Hkk said:

It’s all good. How r u?

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moonkat235 said:

That's cool! I feel like language shapes reality, so finding the right words is always important and a work in progress! I'll be interested to read your explanation btw

Umm a window? lol I was thinking sledgehammer originally, because you can definitely see through a wall when it's no longer there haha (I'm really bad at riddles lol)

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moonkat235 said:

Decent, kinda sleepy now. lol

Gotta work in 2 and a half hours. Ughhh I don't wanna go. lol It's going to be hella stressful, because of an event tomorrow morning and thousands of people are coming into town. It'll be good money though. lol

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Hkk said:

Sounds amazing. Which country are you in? An event, are you a performer?

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moonkat235 said:

I'm in the US. College town and I work in a restaurant as a server at an expensive restaurant, so when we get slammed it's stressful af. I once had a 12 hour double shift and we were so busy that I had exactly one 2-minute moment to use the restroom throughout the whole day. My boss kept trying to give me a break, but there was no time. The whole restaurant was full. We were understaffed and the whole thing was actually just a **** show. haha

I was dead at the end. lol My feet hurt for days afterwards. Thank god for Nikes. lol

Ugh serving is the most common high stress job out there...

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