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Unread 11-23-2014, 03:39 PM
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Pluto in 12th house = Isolated from the world

I started reading about this aspect yesterday, and noticed this placement on my chart can be the source of my super problem: shy.


I not really know if other people with the same placement,feeling the same thing, but I want to be told everything know about this placement.

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Unread 11-23-2014, 04:38 PM
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Re: Pluto in 12th house = Isolated from the world

Placidus, I have Pluto on the cusp of 12/11th house, which I feel in both, but mostly in the 12th house though.

These descriptions don't fit me.

If I recall correctly, you have a Sag ASC. Use whole signs and it will be in your 1st
And using Placidus, it's right exactly on your ASC anyways.
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Unread 11-23-2014, 05:24 PM
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Placidus, I have Pluto on the cusp of 12/11th house, which I feel in both, but mostly in the 12th house though.

These descriptions don't fit me.

If I recall correctly, you have a Sag ASC. Use whole signs and it will be in your 1st
And using Placidus, it's right exactly on your ASC anyways.
Yeah,sag asc c:
in placidus pluto is one degree before my ascendant really
I always interpret pluto as if in 12
I fit in with these descriptions ...
i think it would be wrong to interpret as pluto been in the first house.
but now I am in doubt, lol
I will read about this placement also

how you feel with your pluto in 12th house?
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Re: Pluto in 12th house = Isolated from the world

It's not very strong or influential. It doesn't make any aspects except a semi-sextile to Mars and a extremely wide conjunction to the Sun (about 9 degrees). It's the cutting planet of the chart, so it does have a little bit of influence, but not much, really.

My Moon in 4th is more of an indication of staying at home and being hidden, I guess, which fulfills the 12th house prophecy of being 'isolated' :P

I am a social and extroverted person, but I usually just like to stay at home.
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I started reading about this aspect yesterday, and noticed this placement on my chart can be the source of my super problem: shy.


I not really know if other people with the same placement,feeling the same thing, but I want to be told everything know about this placement.

There is a kind of compilation here:http://sakurainlove.wordpress.com/20...omment-page-1/
Not likely.
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It's not very strong or influential. It doesn't make any aspects except a semi-sextile to Mars and a extremely wide conjunction to the Sun (about 9 degrees). It's the cutting planet of the chart, so it does have a little bit of influence, but not much, really.

My Moon in 4th is more of an indication of staying at home and being hidden, I guess, which fulfills the 12th house prophecy of being 'isolated' :P

I am a social and extroverted person, but I usually just like to stay at home.
I can not feel the influence of Pluto also or any planet, always try to find a more tangible reason for the feelings

maybe is my sun in 12 house

I never go out for leisure really
usually the friends I do, leave me after any time, I can not be a nice person i think
I had two special people this year,
but one moved for other town (this always happens to me)
and the other was just nervous with me
hahahahaha

My difficulty of relating to others is big.
but maybe pluto not be the reason

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LyP,

take a look at the elements and the personal planets in your chart before you consider Pluto.

Maybe you should post your chart.
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LyP,

take a look at the elements and the personal planets in your chart before you consider Pluto.

Maybe you should post your chart.


my chart

maybe quiron conjunt mercury

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my chart

maybe quiron conjunt mercury
Moon in Virgo and Sun in 12th House seems to be more in alignment with shyness than just Pluto in 12th House. But with a Sagittarius AC you'll probably manage just fine and it's likely that others don't necessarily consider you as shy.

Also, if you use whole signs, Pluto is located in your 1st House. That might be a game changer. Think about it.
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my chart

maybe quiron conjunt mercury
I have a sagittarius Asc and have pluto and my sun (sagittarius) in the 12th house. !!
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Moon in Virgo and Sun in 12th House seems to be more in alignment with shyness than just Pluto in 12th House. But with a Sagittarius AC you'll probably manage just fine and it's likely that others don't necessarily consider you as shy.

Also, if you use whole signs, Pluto is located in your 1st House. That might be a game changer. Think about it.
moon in virgo is funck1ng terrible
Sagittarius rising not help so much
they are in square,i think
but i can solve my problems lonely,i'm sure (these pluto on first house look like a good thing really)
thank you for the analysis


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I have a sagittarius Asc and have pluto and my sun (sagittarius) in the 12th house. !!
Nice,may we have something in common.
how you feel your sun in 12house?
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moon in virgo is funck1ng terrible
Sagittarius rising not help so much
they are in square,i think
but i can solve my problems lonely,i'm sure (these pluto on first house look like a good thing really)
thank you for the analysis




Nice,may we have something in common.
how you feel your sun in 12house?
You seem totally convinced that you are somehow inappropriate and are very eager to prove it with astrology. Why would you do that? You could as well look for all the things that are awesome about you and prove it with astrology. You can use astrology to you advantage and your disadvantage. IMO, the way you are using it at the moment, it is not going to serve you.
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Re: Pluto in 12th house = Isolated from the world

Virgo moon is nice, what are you talking about.
I think it's a good place for the moon to be in. That, Pisces, and Cancer.
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You seem totally convinced that you are somehow inappropriate and are very eager to prove it with astrology. Why would you do that? You could as well look for all the things that are awesome about you and prove it with astrology. You can use astrology to you advantage and your disadvantage. IMO, the way you are using it at the moment, it is not going to serve you.
there is something wrong, I'm extremely shy,
I have some kind of block,
I act in a weird way, believe me, very weird

I do not want to prove it with astrology, I know there is something that astrology can show, I just do not know what aspect.

is just a self-improvement

i've already forget this thing anyway,because the solution to my shyness is in myself bla bla bla psychologist .


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Virgo moon is nice, what are you talking about.
I think it's a good place for the moon to be in. That, Pisces, and Cancer.
I do not like because I need security, knowing what will happen in the future, be and do everything "perfect"
I am very picky too, I can not live with any kind of messy,or bad quality of food and clothes, it is mistaken with arrogance

if you are camping in the woods, do not call me, has mosquitoes there.

I like everything my way.

but I like so much the fact that it is on the 3rd decanate,
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Virgo moon is nice, what are you talking about.
I think it's a good place for the moon to be in. That, Pisces, and Cancer.
No position is good or bad in and of itself. The chart is perfect as it stands. Only in comparison to certain outside standards it becomes good or bad. Said that, there are certain positions in a chart that are in alignment with what is deemed desirable in modern day society and there are certain positions that are seen as not desirable. That's where the notion of calling a position/chart good or bad comes from.

So, yes, moon in Virgo can be nice. And it can also be nice in any other sign, too.
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there is something wrong, I'm extremely shy,
I have some kind of block,
I act in a weird way, believe me, very weird

I do not want to prove it with astrology, I know there is something that astrology can show, I just do not know what aspect.

is just a self-improvement

i've already forget this thing anyway,because the solution to my shyness is in myself bla bla bla psychologist .




I do not like because I need security, knowing what will happen in the future, be and do everything "perfect"
I am very picky too, I can not live with any kind of messy,or bad quality of food and clothes, it is mistaken with arrogance

if you are camping in the woods, do not call me, has mosquitoes there.

I like everything my way.

but I like so much the fact that it is on the 3rd decanate,
Do other people describe you as shy, too?
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Do other people describe you as shy, too?

Yes, and no.
Is divided into two categories; some people realize that I'm shy, others think I'm just booked, but then realize it's shyness.

especially when I open my mouth to speak, I barely open my mouth for the word out,
nervousness is so much I stammer sometimes,
man, I do not have the courage to look people in the eye, I have a strange feeling that I'm looking, I'm doing something,
I just do not know look properly

my body language is a sh1t also

I have a job interview and sometimes I have nightmares that I will not pass.

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Yes, and no.
Is divided into two categories; some people realize that I'm shy, others think I'm just booked, but then realize it's shyness.

especially when I open my mouth to speak, I barely open my mouth for the word out,
nervousness is so much I stammer sometimes,
man, I do not have the courage to look people in the eye, I have a strange feeling that I'm looking, I'm doing something,
I just do not know look properly

my body language is a sh1t also

I have a job interview and sometimes I have nightmares that I will not pass.

Sounds like you are hyper self-aware and that you are applying other people's standards to yourself, which is a recipe for unhappiness. If you could get over that, your Sagittarius AC should do just fine in all kinds of socializing situations. Good luck!
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Not your Merc but, rather, the Octo-Zoid among Uran and your four other personal planets is the likely best indicator of the mentioned behavior/experiences.

The Moon 135 Uran is the trapezoid's base which is "domed" by the 45-45-45 aspects made among Ven/Mars and the Sun (with the Moon 90 Ven/Mars and the Sun 90 Uran serving as the trapezoid's crossbraces).

As a start, you could check net sources as if you had 90's among all these planets and then tone down to taste (though there's no Sun 90 Ven).
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As a start, you could check net sources as if you had 90's among all these planets and then tone down to taste (though there's no Sun 90 Ven).

I really do not know how to do this
I not understand much

could give me a brief explanation?
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Hello,

This is my first post in here!

It's your 12th house sun, I have my sun in 12th too. Pluto in 12th makes you extra private and it also conjunct your ascendant from the 12th so you don't like exposure.
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Hello,

This is my first post in here!

It's your 12th house sun, I have my sun in 12th too. Pluto in 12th makes you extra private and it also conjunct your ascendant from the 12th so you don't like exposure.

hi
Welcome to the forum !

thanks for the review, I wanted to be invisible sometimes

sun in the 12's so weird, haha
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Re: Pluto in 12th house = Isolated from the world

I have Pluto in my 12th house, it's on the cusp but a degree or two off so I count it in my 12th. My Pluto is conjoined with my Mercury so it's a sensitive point in my chart. I'm introverted (especially now because of tSaturn and my pMoon in my 12th house) but no one who knows me well would say I'm shy. I'm a private person, I keep a lot of things to myself and people outside my inner circle wear me out. I'm also a 12th house Sun so that plays into it too.

Pluto brings intensity to whatever it touches but on its own I don't think it does a lot. I don't think Pluto would be as powerful as it is in my chart if it wasn't conjoined with Mercury.
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I have Pluto in my 12th house, it's on the cusp but a degree or two off so I count it in my 12th. My Pluto is conjoined with my Mercury so it's a sensitive point in my chart. I'm introverted (especially now because of tSaturn and my pMoon in my 12th house) but no one who knows me well would say I'm shy. I'm a private person, I keep a lot of things to myself and people outside my inner circle wear me out. I'm also a 12th house Sun so that plays into it too.

Pluto brings intensity to whatever it touches but on its own I don't think it does a lot. I don't think Pluto would be as powerful as it is in my chart if it wasn't conjoined with Mercury.
you can tell me about your mercury conj.pluto I have for me that can be a fantastic position
you are silent? intuitive? discovers things easily? you think in strange things?
tell me everything

if you want,of course. lol

pluto has nothing to do with my shyness

I think what influences me is ... my moon in virgo

people say I'm shy,
people say I'm too serious and, that i have a worried face
i'ts all about virgo

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you can tell me about your mercury conj.pluto I have for me that can be a fantastic position
you are silent? intuitive? discovers things easily? you think in strange things?
tell me everything

if you want,of course. lol

pluto has nothing to do with my shyness

I think what influences me is ... my moon in virgo

people say I'm shy,
people say I'm too serious and, that i have a worried face
i'ts all about virgo

thanks for posting.
Which house is your Moon in? If I remember correctly, you have a Sag asc so..tenth house? If so then that might explain the whole "You're too serious, You're too shy" thing. Also, I remember that you have Saturn in the 5th house which might add to said seriousness during fun moments.

Or maybe I'm wrong to just look at two placements and not the aspects they make..hmm.

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