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Oh yeah...!

...and if you click your heels three times you'll be back in Kansas...


but it sure does sound all impressively technical ...

Got Proof?

One of these days, we'll have to have a little "SHOWDOWN" ...we can get a certified judging entity or group to give us each a chart of someone with a description if that person and only the apprx. time they were born and then we'll see how much longer this 'Snake Oil" gets any attention that you're selling.

...and i don't mean in this forum either. I mean very publicly and by a very unbiased, reputable and completely dis-interested third party judge...

Let me know when and where.

It's not unusual for astrologers to have different opinions
and every astrologer is entitled to their opinion
whether another astrologer disagrees with that opinion or not



The Origin and History of the Sabian Symbols
http://sabian.org/sabian_symbols.php

by Diana E. Roche

'.On some unrecorded date in 1925
the Sabian symbols were brought into manifestation in the span of a day
in Balboa Park, San Diego, California
through the combined efforts of Marc Edmund Jones and Elsie Wheeler.


1923 Marc met Elsie Wheeler.
and sponsored Elsie because he admired her spunk.
Elsie had a brilliant, imaginative mind
but was seriously crippled with arthritis and confined to a wheelchair.
"She couldn't turn her head and could barely hold her hands." ...'


At that time Elsie was scared of anything psychic,
but within a year she was one of Marc's students,
joined a spiritualist church
and was making a good living as a medium.
She was by her handicap, however, very limited in general world experience,
and that limitation would later determine her role in bringing through the Sabian symbols,
a set of 360 separate and unique images.

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It's not unusual for astrologers to have different opinions
and every astrologer is entitled to their opinion
whether another astrologer disagrees with that opinion or not



The Origin and History of the Sabian Symbols
http://sabian.org/sabian_symbols.php

by Diana E. Roche

'.On some unrecorded date in 1925
the Sabian symbols were brought into manifestation in the span of a day
in Balboa Park, San Diego, California
through the combined efforts of Marc Edmund Jones and Elsie Wheeler.


1923 Marc met Elsie Wheeler.
and sponsored Elsie because he admired her spunk.
Elsie had a brilliant, imaginative mind
but was seriously crippled with arthritis and confined to a wheelchair.
"She couldn't turn her head and could barely hold her hands." ...'


At that time Elsie was scared of anything psychic,
but within a year she was one of Marc's students,
joined a spiritualist church
and was making a good living as a medium.
She was by her handicap, however, very limited in general world experience,
and that limitation would later determine her role in bringing through the Sabian symbols,
a set of 360 separate and unique images.
That's it?
That's all you've got?

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I'm quite serious, name the time and place and we'll have a showdown.


...and maybe I shouldn't have been so hard on Chris Brennen, after all He did study real hard a got a ...degree? from the, now defunct, Kepler Collage.

But all this hype about "The Young Astrologers"...
pushing the same old, tired, "Trad. Astrology"
He even friended me on facebook and I gave him an excellent suggestion for his request for help in titling an article he wrote, which Chris thanked me for.

The next day I was dropped from his list of "Friends".

If you "Trads." would learn to work with those of us that use the Sabian Symbols instead of trying to discredit the use of them, we all could make great strides in the "Science" of Astrology.

The only reason I can 'see' anymore, after all the demonstrations I, and a few others, have given in this forum as to the veracity of them and how important the, understanding, and use of them actually is... is that those that do so are either minions of some cabal of either Darkness, Lies, or stand to lose a great deal of standing with their clients.

If it's your clientele that you're concerned about, you're going to lose that standing anyways, eventually, and it won't be too long before that happens, if it hasn't happened already.

Like I told another astrologer that just refuses to see that the natal chart for the USA I produced is the real deal and also that the Sabian Symbols are genuine [it's been hitting a bullseye on every shot]:

"How do you want to remembered years from now? You can get on board with it and probably save what clientele you have and possibly expand it. Or you can just keep on denying , lose most of them, if not all of them, and only have etched on your tombstone, 'FOOL'." ...which, very likely just might be a paupers grave.


I don't do Astrology for money. I do this because it is my dharma to do so.
I can give away everything I own, every cent I have, and I know that by the end of that day I will have a meal and a warm, dry, place to sleep, because I work for the "Sons of Light".

You won't get rid of me and I certainly will not be intimidated...I've even survived an attempt to take my life...but I'm still here.

Just remember that.
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I'm quite serious, name the time and place and we'll have a showdown.


...and maybe I shouldn't have been so hard on Chris Brennen, after all He did study real hard a got a ...degree? from the, now defunct, Kepler Collage.

But all this hype about "The Young Astrologers"...
pushing the same old, tired, "Trad. Astrology"
He even friended me on facebook and I gave him an excellent suggestion for his request for help in titling an article he wrote, which Chris thanked me for.

The next day I was dropped from his list of "Friends".

If you "Trads." would learn to work with those of us that use the Sabian Symbols instead of trying to discredit the use of them, we all could make great strides in the "Science" of Astrology.

The only reason I can 'see' anymore, after all the demonstrations I, and a few others, have given in this forum as to the veracity of them and how important the, understanding, and use of them actually is... is that those that do so are either minions of some cabal of either Darkness, Lies, or stand to lose a great deal of standing with their clients.

If it's your clientele that you're concerned about, you're going to lose that standing anyways, eventually, and it won't be too long before that happens, if it hasn't happened already.

Like I told another astrologer that just refuses to see that the natal chart for the USA I produced is the real deal and also that the Sabian Symbols are genuine [it's been hitting a bullseye on every shot]:

"How do you want to remembered years from now? You can get on board with it and probably save what clientele you have and possibly expand it. Or you can just keep on denying , lose most of them, if not all of them, and only have etched on your tombstone, 'FOOL'." ...which, very likely just might be a paupers grave.


I don't do Astrology for money. I do this because it is my dharma to do so.
I can give away everything I own, every cent I have, and I know that by the end of that day I will have a meal and a warm, dry, place to sleep, because I work for the "Sons of Light".

You won't get rid of me and I certainly will not be intimidated...I've even survived an attempt to take my life...but I'm still here.

Just remember that.
There are as many ideas on Chart Rectification as there are astrologers

and it is entirely reasonable for each astrologer to have their own opinions

THE CRAFT OF CHART RECTIFICATION
http://www.forrestastrology.com/reso...-rectification
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Re: Rectification Tips - Verifying Ascendant/Descendant/MC/IC angles

All measurements are made in right ascension and aspects and timing are determined from those positions.

Natal Mercury is only 10 minutes of arc from your natal MC.

Your Venus-Jupiter midpoint is only 15 minutes of arc from the MC. In essence, Mercury is exactly on your Venus-Jupiter midpoint and both are conjunct your natal MC.

You have an exact square between Natal Moon and natal Saturn

Right now progressed Moon is opposite natal Venus.

Coming up your progressed Moon will:

Square progressed Saturn: July 23rd, 2014, (16916' + 90 = 25916')

Conjunct natal Moon and square natal Saturn: August 28th, 2014, (17023' + 90 = 26023')

Square progressed Mars: September 19th, (8103 [Mars] + 90 = 17103')

Square progressed and then natal Uranus: February 19th 2015, 26547' (prog Uranus) - 90 = 17547' (prog Moon); March 10, 2015, 26623' (natal Uranus) - 90 = 17623' (prog Moon)

I worked my progressed lunar return technique for the day you received the letter from the hospital in 2012 and it seems appropriate. I would be bolder in my comments if I knew your locality and the time of day when you received it.
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There are as many ideas on Chart Rectification as there are astrologers

and it is entirely reasonable for each astrologer to have their own opinions

THE CRAFT OF CHART RECTIFICATION
http://www.forrestastrology.com/reso...-rectification
I'm not talking "Opinions" here, I'm talking 'PROVEN RESULTS" ...I made this challenge, to those that disparage, or deny, the veracity of the Sabian Symbols and, or, the Rudhyarian techniques I employ, numerous times in many threads among many of the various sub-forums here at astrologweekly and not once has anyone given a demonstration. NOT ONCE!

.Talk is cheap and opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one.
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I'm not talking "Opinions" here, I'm talking 'PROVEN RESULTS" ...I made this challenge, to those that disparage, or deny, the veracity of the Sabian Symbols and, or, the Rudhyarian techniques I employ, numerous times in many threads among many of the various sub-forums here at astrologweekly and not once has anyone given a demonstration. NOT ONCE!

.Talk is cheap and opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one.
Unsurprisingly, it is not unusual to be of the opinion that your own opinion is a 'proven result'.... but that's just an opinion

Animodar method of rectification is worth checking out - discussion "Rectification by Trutine of Hermes/Animodar" at http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=822
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Thanks to venuschild for posting the following useful link on RECTIFICATION
at this thread discussion http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...713#post564713

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Rectification never hurts!

Ouch, it certainly does as to when did one has certain accidents in life, or when did one tragically marries that demon lover found in the progressed chart?

Within this sacred document put forth by the legendary Dorothy J. Kovach, owner and founder of Angelicus Merlin Forum, which a few view as moderated as if by the Kremlin, You'll find Lilly's CAIII with the 'How to on RECTIFICATION':

http://www.worldastrology.net/wp-con.../12/CA-III.pdf
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There are as many ideas on Chart Rectification as there are astrologers
Essentially there is only one correct way of rectification, and it is study of events in the history of the person. Only this can properly determine the positions of the houses in the natal chart...
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Essentially there is only one correct way of rectification,
and it is study of events in the history of the person.
Only this can properly determine the positions of the houses in the natal chart...
Essentially inevitably one discovers far more than one single astrological opinion on any astrological matter

for example with respect to RECTIFICATION:
Physical appearance indications are worth checking out as well
http://reocities.com/athens/delphi/1601/physical.html
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Rectification is not only essential for determining Asc. because they are important checks the position peaks all houses not only Asc.

And for this to be studied more types of events in the life of a person associated with multiple areas of life...
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Rectification is not only essential for determining Asc. because they are important checks the position peaks all houses not only Asc.

And for this to be studied more types of events in the life of a person associated with multiple areas of life...
The multiple RECTIFICATION techniques which are linked to in this thread include
d
etailed instructions on precisely how to calculate the pre-natal Epoch Rectification Method which may be viewed FOR FREE at
http://www.rosicrucian.com/zineen/pamen034.htm
all these techniques have the purpose of determining/establishing the Ascendant

clearly

The Ascendant demarcates the time of birth



Ascendant
via ruling sign and other considerations
describes

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'.....Life, vitality and health
as well as
Stature, colour, complexion, form and shape of body
Older sources note its influence upon the intellect, the way the mind works, and speech.

In general, the first house represents the focal point for the personality and manner of expression.
As well as describing the physical appearance,
the condition of this house and that of its planetary ruler
indicates the level of personal vitality and strength'....
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h1.html
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Two excellent books that explain much about rectification in intense detail are:

http://www.worldastrology.net/ebooks

http://www.worldastrology.net/wp-con.../12/CA-III.pdf



And Henry Coley wrote:

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/clavis.html

http://skyscript.co.uk/pdf/Coley_clavis_astrologiae_elimata.pdf



Very in depth for the studious!
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When a client comes to astrological consultation whether checking up the accuracy of the hour of birth?

And how are you doing this?
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I need assistance figuring out

I am trying to rectify my natal chart and I would REALLY appreciate some help figuring out which one of these two possible charts is more accurate. Specifically I would really like your advice on relevant changes from one chart to the next. I do not expect an in depth reading, but I would appreciate a simple opinion about the difference between one chart and the other.

Relevant information:

Left natal country 09/1994

Was kept in Guantanamo naval base, in a refugee camp, from 09/1994 until 02/1995

Arrived at the U.S. 02/1995

Graduated High School 06/2000

Graduated College 05/2010

Started relevant relationship on 02/2010

Long trip to California on 07/2012

Long trip to California on 07/2014

Relationship ended 12/2014

I hope that info helps.
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I am trying to rectify my natal chart and I would REALLY appreciate some help figuring out which one of these two possible charts is more accurate. Specifically I would really like your advice on relevant changes from one chart to the next. I do not expect an in depth reading, but I would appreciate a simple opinion about the difference between one chart and the other.

Relevant information:

Left natal country 09/1994

Was kept in Guantanamo naval base, in a refugee camp, from 09/1994 until 02/1995

Arrived at the U.S. 02/1995

Graduated High School 06/2000

Graduated College 05/2010

Started relevant relationship on 02/2010

Long trip to California on 07/2012

Long trip to California on 07/2014

Relationship ended 12/2014

I hope that info helps.
An astrological technique from antiquity generally known as the Prenatal Epoch

'....Ascendant, or its opposite, at birth, is Moon's position at conception.

....Known as "Trutine of Hermes," from Hermes Trismegistus who stated the law as follows:

"The place of the Moon at conception becomes the birth ascendant or its opposite point."



"But this proved to be but one-half of a very important law, for while the...

Ascendant at birth was the place of the Moon at a certain Epoch, the Ascendant or its opposite point at this Epoch was the place of the Moon at birth

....a very remarkable interchange of factors." E.H. Bailey
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detailed instructions on precisely how to calculate the pre-natal Epoch Rectification Method
may be viewed FOR FREE at
http://www.rosicrucian.com/zineen/pamen034.htm


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Thanks for that, I am not sure how accurate it would be in my case. I was born at 8 months.. it makes me doubt the results...
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Thanks for that, I am not sure how accurate it would be in my case.
I was born at 8 months.. it makes me doubt the results...
study the complete detailed instructions
on precisely how to calculate
the pre-natal Epoch Rectification Method

FOR FREE at
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in particular read the entire article
especially the variables


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Jupiter,

I actually found an old thread in which we had this conversation I actually made the calculation and it was indeed accurate. The formula is sound. However, the calculation leans towards the 9:14 am birth time, while a rising sign study of physical appearance leans towards 8:50 am birth time. Still working on this...
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Jupiter,

I actually found an old thread in which we had this conversation

I actually made the calculation and it was indeed accurate.

The formula is sound.

However, the calculation leans towards the 9:14 am birth time,
while a rising sign study of physical appearance leans towards 8:50 am birth time.
Still working on this
...
Thanks for the update jg1982
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'......Never take your rectification too seriously.
No matter how good it is.
No matter how compelling the evidence appears.
It is still speculative
And most of all, never attempt to pass off a rectified chart as a verified birth time.
This is one of the cardinal sins of astrology,
that astrologers would be excommunicated for
IF the astrological community was some sort of an organized religion
or cult
.....' http://horoscopicastrologyblog.com/2...rectification/
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Re: Rectification Tips - Verifying Ascendant/Descendant/MC/IC angles

Astrologers frequently rely on AA-rated data,
but mathematical probability indicates they CAN NOT be correct
simply because
real birthtimes do not congregate precisely around 15 minute intervals of time


birthtimes in the AA-rated database
have far too many birthtimes at around 3:00, 3:15, 3:30, and 3:45
and not enough birthtimes at say 3:02, 3:17, 3:29
and it is clearly unlikely
that significantly more birthtimes center on these even times.
and so it is obvious the time was rounded
and therefore wrong

furthermore no one can determine for certain
which were rounded
and which were not
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Re: Rectification Tips - Verifying Ascendant/Descendant/MC/IC angles

Esteemed astrologer Robert Hand offers a natal chart rectification service

and states clearly:


'....It is critical to have the time of birth

If you do not know the exact time of your birth
or it was not recorded

we can rectify the time for an additional fee

however
rectification methods
are not as accurate and reliable
as some may believe
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According to Richard Vetter

'.....Adjusting birth time by several hours
(not an unusual practice)
is an absurdity.
The thorough, imaginative rectifier
tends to construct adventurous theories about the process of certification.
Parents/relatives sometimes assist in producing such fantasies:
the longer the period of adjustment,
the more colorful are the myths
that get built around the circumstances of the birth....' Richard Vetter
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