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Unread 10-22-2018, 01:00 AM
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It'd depend on the chart, but all things being equal, Venus is more problematic in Virgo than in Scorpio, at least in my experience, and I've known a fair few folks with both those positions.

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Turbo-modern 12/12 pattern, mkay.
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It'd depend on the chart, but all things being equal, Venus is more problematic in Virgo than in Scorpio, at least in my experience, and I've known a fair few folks with both those positions.
This makes sense in (my) 12/12, and rates study as a possible pattern, since Virgo is the opposite Sign from Pisces, where Venus is "in-Service". Maybe I should add "out-of-Service" to my lexicon.
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This would mean, for example, that the Moon, which is "in-Service" (fortunate) in Sagittarius, would be "out-of-Service" (unfortunate) in Gemini .

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This would mean, for example, that the Moon, which is "in-Service" (fortunate) in Sagittarius, would be "out-of-Service" (unfortunate) in Gemini .
Why would the Moon be unfortunate in Gemini?
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Why would the Moon be unfortunate in Gemini?
By pattern, like so many Astrological assignations. Any personal experience with the Moon in (tropical) Gemini?
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Here's one I've had personal experience with: Saturn in Sagittarius, which gave me a lot of trouble during that recent Transit. Very unfortunate [IMO], and also "out-of-Service".
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By pattern, like so many Astrological assignations. Any personal experience with the Moon in (tropical) Gemini?
That would generally be exalted Moon. I was curious because there is a medieval doctrine that says Moon in Gemini is unfortunate, but this is actually based on a mistranslation concerning twelfth-part of Cancer.
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I'm uncertain about the "unfortunate because out-of-Service" designation. I need pattern, so I'll have to examine the ramifications . If it works for a few, it should work for all. I've never felt personally comfortable with my own, personal reaction to the emotional effects of Moon in Gemini, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's an "unfortunate" placement .
Here's another one: Sun in Mer ().
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Interesting that, by experience, Sun in Aquarius doesn't appear afflicted, even though the Sun rules its opposite Sign (in my 12/12 as well). Maybe it's a good thing when the Sun's intensity is clouded over! I just read that in the Vedic system, the Sun is considered a Malefic!

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Since I like H12, I'm going to pretend that I didn't see that meme.
I actually like it too. I give it credit for me being a space cadet, which I secretly think is my best quality.

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I just read that in the Vedic system, the Sun is considered a Malefic!





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Climate did play a role in Astrological designations, for both rulers and Signs.
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But without the cruel Sun, we shall perish.
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That would generally be exalted Moon. I was curious because there is a medieval doctrine that says Moon in Gemini is unfortunate, but this is actually based on a mistranslation concerning twelfth-part of Cancer.
What system has Moon exalted in Gemini?
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The one that placed the exaltation of the Horned One in the constellation of Taurus that happens to be in the tropical sign of Gemini?
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Alternate coordinate systems. So, what's Moon in Gemini in your sidereal coordinates? Maybe peregrine?
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The Moon has an additional feature because of the obvious and important phases. So if you have the Moon Exalted in Taurus, how do you factor in the phases?
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The Moon has an additional feature because of the obvious and important phases. So if you have the Moon Exalted in Taurus, how do you factor in the phases?
Have you noticed that it is always horned relative to the cosmic exaltation of the Sun? Ptolemy and Valens also mention of this phase (they say the Moon begins to cosmically wane in Scorpio). Ptolemy even extended this phase to the domiciles, getting the dignity of ''proper face''. But you would not know that was an important rationale.
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The Sun's placement determines whether the Moon is waxing or waning.
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Alternate coordinate systems. So, what's Moon in Gemini in your sidereal coordinates? Maybe peregrine?
Do you mean what Moon in Gemini signifies? Or do you mean planetary strength - according to my calculations - it is - 2 in the Northern Hemisphere and + 2 in the Southern, being at the corresponding solstice, and it is - 1 due to being in masculine sign. All other considerations are based on the placement of the rulers, which I consider more important than the aforementioned - https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...d.php?t=121676

By itself, the domicile ruler - Mercury is neutral.

If you meant what Moon in Gemini signifies, I consider the Moon as important factor to take into account for appearance, life, fortune etc. - https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...d.php?t=121654
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...d.php?t=121677

I don't consider detriment and peregrine. In the Hellenistic tradition, the first is rarely mentioned, the latter is non-existant.

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The Sun's placement determines whether the Moon is waxing or waning.
Yes, and relative to the exaltation of the Sun, when in Taurus, it begins to wax. If you think about the degrees, the Moon begins to wax at the 3rd degree, since the Sun is exalted at the 19th. It is really simple.
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Sigmund Freud, two exalted Lights in the west with no malefic aspects.
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Actually I just noticed that Freud's Lot of Accusation falls in the 4th Capricorn. Interesting in relation to his native country, health problem and accusations from the shock nature of 4th and Saturn related topics at the time. Saturn in Gemini square Mars further elucidates the accusations he got from society because of his writings. Nevertheless, we have a greatly fortunate nativity mostly because of the mentioned factors in the previous post.
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