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Are Parallel's like Conjunctions?

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I've read that a parallel aspect can be just as strong and perhaps stronger than a conjunction. How true is this? I noticed Pluto exactly Parallel to the fixed star Regulus in a chart highlighted in a natal report-but no interpretation. What does this aspect mean?

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Re: Are Parallel's like Conjunctions?

I have natal pluto conj regulus and have not become famous, come into riches or alike YET.

It is true that paralells are like conjunctions.
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http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/parallels.htm
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/contraparallel.html
http://www2.bitstream.net/~bunlion/bpi/Glossary3.html
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/declinationsparallels.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=40285
http://www.librarising.com/astrology...clination.html
“PARALLEL: Two or more planets that are equal distant from the celestial equator, with each stellar body being either north OR south in declination. The influence is much like a conjunction”
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An aspect formed when two planets are in opposite declination, that is, when they are the same distance from the celestial equator, one north of it and one south. Generally considered to operate like an opposition.
http://www2.bitstream.net/~bunlion/bpi/Glossary.html#C
“CONTRA-PARALLEL: Two or more planets that are equal distant from the celestial equator, with one stellar body being north in declination and the other body being south. The influence is considered to be much like a opposition, although some consider similar to the conjunction.”
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Re: Are Parallel's like Conjunctions?

I have nothing conjunct or parallel Regulus :/ But parellels and contra-parallels are extremely important. I have a ton of them, and when you add them in, it makes it obvious that everything revolves around Uranus on my chart.

Should parallels in different signs be considered as out-of-sign conjunctions or in-sign conjunctions? Also, I have a ton of parallels and I'm still trying to figure out which ones are in-orb and which ones are out-of-orb. There are some I really indentify with, some I don't really identify with at all (which always happen to be at greater angles) and some at wider orbs than that involving the Moon and Sun that I'm not sure where to cut off at.
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Hi! I've read that a parallel aspect can be just as strong and perhaps stronger than a conjunction. How true is this?
here is a link to a recent debate on this subject - the birth in question occurred at the time of a lunar eclipse so although the natal moon is in opposition to the natal sun, the natal sun and moon are also in parallel which raises many interesting questions such as "How can a Libra Sun Conjunct a Pisces Moon?" (Because the parallel is compared to a conjunction, perhaps even stronger than a conjunction) This debate is a good illustration of how a parallel is not the same as a conjunction, yet is "as if in conjunction"... http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ct+moon+pisces

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I noticed Pluto exactly Parallel to the fixed star Regulus in a chart highlighted in a natal report-but no interpretation. What does this aspect mean? Thank you! K
Here's an interesting example from a recent thread in which a poster mentions having Fixed Star Regulus conjunct Pluto in square aspect with Fixed Star Algol (a star which has a reputation as the most malevolent fixed star in the heavens) it seems possible that this aspect could be one of the astrological indicators explaining unpleasant events experienced by the posters partner. http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...hlight=regulus

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The 28 May 2000 Jupiter Saturn conjunction was at 22 Taurus 43 and during May Sun, Mercury, Venus and Mars were all in Taurus at some stage - can anyone recall any big news stories at that time on this theme?
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I've just been researching this recently and found I have natal pluto (well aspected 7th) square to algol taurus. Any ideas? could I be murdered by my spouse do you think? Or are just conjunctions only relevent? I should add that regulus is conj pluto27' 57"Leo
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That sounds like a jokey comment so I'll answer similarly. In my view it is because the outer planets are invisible to the naked eye that has caused Uranus, Neptune and Pluto to have been discovered only recently, so who can say with much authority what their effects are? However, since you are questioning whether your spouse (7th house) could have murderous intentions towards you, we could switch the scenario around and ask an alternative question which could be: "Has your partner ever experienced violent events that threatened their life?" ...Algol has got a nasty reputation!
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JA, you may well have something here JA as my current partner has had his live threatened on numerous occasions.....
The foregoing exchange leads me to ask whether the chart you speak of is also one that has Regulus conjunct/parallel Pluto while in square aspect with Fixed Star Algol? Although, mulling this one over, I think that, due to the slow movement of Fixed Stars there must be many millions if not tens of millions of charts with a similar aspect - so, because not everyone with the aspect (Pluto parallel/conjunct Regulus in 7th square Algol) has a partner whose life has been threatened on many occasions, obviously other factors could be involved? It would be interesting to view and compare the posters chart with the one you have mentioned.

Regarding Regulus, here is a link to Anne Wright's comprehensive webpages listing some five hundred or more of the visible fixed stars http://www.constellationsofwords.com...s_alphabet.htm
as well as a link to a thread where Regulus imminent transition to Virgo has recently been a topic for discussion http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...hlight=regulus
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p.s. How can one find out what parallels they have in their chart? Is there somewhere to do this on astro.com?
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p.s. How can one find out what parallels they have in their chart? Is there somewhere to do this on astro.com?
yes go to astro, get your chart and just above on left, "view additional tables in PDF" format. This will give you the declinations tables...
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Re: Are Parallel's like Conjunctions?

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I've just been researching this recently and found I have natal pluto (well aspected 7th) square to algol taurus. Any ideas? could I be murdered by my spouse do you think? Or are just conjunctions only relevent? I should add that regulus is conj pluto27' 57"Leo
as regulus is 29'50" LEO it's a good 2' off my natal pluto which is as you know *generational* so thousands upon thousands will be born with my pluto Leo generation. With asteriods and fixed stars I would think a max orb or .5 degree or 1' would be appropriate

Now as Algol hardly ever moves like regulus is currently 26'20" taurus, for which I have nothing at that degree in taurus. I hardly think this applies. Actually I'm not 100% birth time sure for my partner but I'm pretty sure Antares is conjunct his Asc...
Sagittarius 0946'
Antares
Mars/Jupiter
conflict, danger, violence
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/fixedstars.html

Now regulus and algol will have this square for many hundreds if not thousands of years.....

Now I do appreciate you insights BUT you are derailing this thread as it's about Paralell's! so please keep on topic

regulus
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14682
http://www.astrologycom.com/fixedstars.html
http://www.regulus-astrology.com/
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/fixedstars.html
http://www.astrologyinstitute.com/Fixed_star_lessons/lesson_two.htm
http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Regulus.html
http://www.astrology-central.com/stars/Regulus.htm
http://darkstarastrology.com/regulus/

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Re: Are Parallel's like Conjunctions?

I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I've been wondering about parallels since reading about them. I've attached a table of declinations in my chart and I have no clue as to how to read them, interpret them. Is anyone able to tell me what parallels are there?

Or maybe I should post this in an separate thread.... ?
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follow the links in post 2.do the research.....
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Aha, spotted. Thanks Astro50, I've figured it out now
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Re: Are Parallel's like Conjunctions?

A general question: I've read that some astrologers believe that Parallel's are similar in effect to the conjunction. But others seem to say that they only work when combined with (reinforcing) an existing conjunction between the parallel planets.

Which is true in your opinion, for those reading this? I mean, do parallels have significance completely on their own, as stand-alone features of a chart?
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A general question: I've read that some astrologers believe that Parallel's are similar in effect to the conjunction. But others seem to say that they only work when combined with (reinforcing) an existing conjunction between the parallel planets.

Which is true in your opinion, for those reading this? I mean, do parallels have significance completely on their own, as stand-alone features of a chart?
for a parallel to be valid (in my mind)their should not be an aspect natally, so it's like adding an extra aspect/dimension to the aspect grid which is like 'hidden from view'

after only recently researching this I found I only has one contra parallel between saturn/uranus which acts like an opposition. I can see on occasions, times when I might play it safe (saturn) and push for freedom (uranus)..... saturn usually wins...
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A general question: I've read that some astrologers believe that Parallel's are similar in effect to the conjunction. But others seem to say that they only work when combined with (reinforcing) an existing conjunction between the parallel planets. Which is true in your opinion, for those reading this? I mean, do parallels have significance completely on their own, as stand-alone features of a chart?
There are several opinions regarding this on this thread http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ct+moon+pisces did you get an opportunity to read it yet? parallels are discussed in depth
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Re: Are Parallel's like Conjunctions?

I found that thread fragmented and the psychodellic coloure gave me migraine
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I found that thread fragmented and the psychodellic coloure gave me migraine
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I found that thread fragmented and the psychodellic coloure gave me migraine
Yeah, a bit multi-colored that one... but definitely in depth! Thanks Jupiterasc.

On another note, I think I figured out that I have Sun parallel Mars, but is this right?

Sun Declination is 3 46'10" S
Mars Declination is 3 40'25" S

Have I interpreted this correctly..? There are a few others, but if the above is correct, at least I know I've got the method right. Thanks.
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Yeah, a bit multi-colored that one... but definitely in depth! Thanks Jupiterasc.

On another note, I think I figured out that I have Sun parallel Mars, but is this right?

Sun Declination is 3 46'10" S
Mars Declination is 3 40'25" S

Have I interpreted this correctly..? There are a few others, but if the above is correct, at least I know I've got the method right. Thanks.
Correct Sun and Mars Parallel
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I have another question about parallels, after reading more on this forum. I came across a comment by Dr Farr on another thread (his comment pasted below): (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=39378)

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What is the general definition of Moon Parallel Pluto in declination?

My moon at 14'47North
My Pluto at 14'30North

Moon at 14Leo H6
Pluto at 0Lib H7
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Close Parallels of declination are like (have the same effect/influence as) strong conjunctions in longitude (ie, "regular" conjunctions)
HOWEVER,
...both the Moon and Pluto each are posited in a pitted degree of their respective signs, so, the equivalent conjunctional influence (of Moon P PLuto) is minimal, largely blocked because each planet is in a pit...so, in essence, the Moon/Pluto influence is rendered neutral...
Can someone explain what a "pitted degree" is?

I have Sun and Mars parallel:

Sun Declination is 3 46'10" S
Mars Declination is 3 40'25" S

And here are the degrees:

Sun in Pisces 2029'15" House 1
Mars in Libra 1658'34" R House 8

What is a "pit" and are my sun and mars in "pitted" degrees? Does this neutralise the effect of the parallel? What does a pit really mean? This is totally alien to me!
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I think I've answered my own question (or rather Dr Farr has!): http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=29126

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I shall post the list of "pitted degrees" (extracted from Ibn Ezra) and also the "elevation degrees" (which enhance benefic influences even in the face of weak dignity and adverse aspects!)

Celestial Topography: Elevated Degrees and Pitted Degrees


-Elevated Degrees, are (or rather, were) also known as "elevations", "peaks", "heights" and "degrees of increasing fortune"; planets in them are saved from detriment, changed from debility to dignity, rescued from affliction; if already strong, dignified, benefic, then their benefic influence is greatly amplified; if malefic, their negative influence is transformed into at least a mild benefic influence

-Pitted Degrees, also known as "pits", "depressions", "holes", "deep degrees" and "degrees of diminishing fortune"; regardless of strength or weakness, dignity or detriment or debility, affliction, benefic or malefic, planets in them are neutralized (either completely or nearly so): they almost "don't count", influence wise, in the given chart

-these elevated or pitted degrees have no orbs (unlike the critical degrees)-the planet must be in the exact degree

-the influence of these degrees extend equally throughout the entire degree: a planet posited at the 59th minute of the degree is influenced by it as much as a planet posited at the 1st minute of the degree

-I have followed Ibn Ezra in the listing of these degrees; this because the Ankara tradition followed these, as well as early Renaissance authors (Agrippa); this list is at variance in several of the degrees with that of Al-Biruni: however, the 2 lists match in the great majority of degrees listed.


......ARIES
+ Elevation: 18

- Pits: 5 - 10 - 16 - 23


......TAURUS
+ Elevations: 2 - 14 - 26 - 29

- Pits: 4 - 11 - 17 - 23 - 24 - 25


......GEMINI
+Elevation: 10

- Pits: 1 - 11 - 16 - 25 - 29


......CANCER
+Elevations: 0 - 1 - 2 - 13 - 14

- Pits: 11 - 16 - 22 - 25 - 29


......LEO
+Elevations: 1 - 4 - 6 - 16

- Pits: 5 - 12 - 14 - 21 - 22 - 27


......VIRGO
+Elevations: 1 - 4 - 16 - 19

- Pits: 7 - 12 - 15 - 20 - 24


......LIBRA
+Elevations: 2 - 4 - 20

- Pits: 0 - 6 - 19 - 29


......SCORPIO
+Elevations: 6 - 11 - 19

- Pits: 8 - 9 - 16 - 21 - 22 - 26


......SAGITTARIUS
+Elevations: 12 - 19

- Pits: 6 - 11 - 14 - 23 - 26 - 29


......CAPRICORN
+Elevations: 12 - 13 - 19

- Pits: 1 - 16 - 21 - 23 - 27


......AQUARIUS
+Elevations: 8 - 15 - 16 - 19

- Pits: 0 - 11 - 21 - 28


......PISCES
+Elevations: 17 - 19

- Pits: 3 - 8 - 23 - 26 - 27

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Re: Are Parallel's like Conjunctions?

I hope this isn't too off-topic, as my earlier post raised the issue of pitted degrees in relation to parallels and this is why I am discussing it, but from what Dr Farr has said:
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planets in them are neutralized (either completely or nearly so): they almost "don't count", influence wise, in the given chart
Can someone elaborate on this?

I mean, in my chart for example, I have Neptune in Sagittarius at this degree: 2657' 2"

According to the list Dr Farr provided, any planet in this sign at 26 degrees is 'pitted' or 'depressed'. Does that actually mean that Neptune in my chart, or in someone else's chart, doesn't "count"??


Also I found these lists online, which seems to differ to the one above. Are there different opinions on which degrees are pitted? http://astrologynotes.org/wiki/Pitted_degrees AND http://www.skyscript.co.uk/deginf1.html

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I hope this isn't too off-topic, as my earlier post raised the issue of pitted degrees in relation to parallels and this is why I am discussing it, but from what Dr Farr has said: Can someone elaborate on this? I mean, in my chart for example, I have Neptune in Sagittarius at this degree: 2657' 2" According to the list Dr Farr provided, any planet in this sign at 26 degrees is 'pitted' or 'depressed'. Does that actually mean that Neptune in my chart, or in someone else's chart, doesn't "count"??
Also I found these lists online, which seems to differ to the one above. Are there different opinions on which degrees are pitted? http://astrologynotes.org/wiki/Pitted_degrees AND http://www.skyscript.co.uk/deginf1.html
When you read the list of pitted degrees posted by dr. farr, notice this comment: "-I have followed Ibn Ezra in the listing of these degrees; this because the Ankara tradition followed these, as well as early Renaissance authors (Agrippa); this list is at variance in several of the degrees with that of Al-Biruni: however, the 2 lists match in the great majority of degrees listed."

If you continue reading the thread MJ82 there are similar questions to the questions you are asking and dr. farr is answering in depth. From what dr. farr has explained a planet in a 'pitted' degree is 'in a depression' - here's a clear explanation from dr. farr, of how being in a pitted degree affects a planet
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With the Moon in a pitted degree, if one accepts the ancient doctrine related to pits and peaks (elevated degrees), then it means that the Moon is largely blocked-inhibited-from exerting its potential influences, and that the Moon is largely rendered "neutral" in the chart-this is basically what a pitted degree means, it blocks and neutralizes a planet as an element of the chart, and thus other considerations relative to that planet are rendered largely superfluous. Rather an extreme doctrine, and in later times it was toned down to indicate rather "some degree of inhibition for good or for ill", and became a rather minor consideration in delineating a planet in a chart; however, I have reverted to the original, more intense implication of a pitted degree, and, for me as for the ancients, it indicates blockage and neutralization of the planet's influence in the chart, to a very significant degree.
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Thanks JupiterAsc, I was hasty in my reading there... thanks for the info!
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Thanks JupiterAsc, I was hasty in my reading there... thanks for the info!
that's ok MJ82 - I'm glad to be of use - it is a good to take your time to process these ideas if they are new to you
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