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since time immemorial MERCURY is the ruler of astrology and astrologers

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Mercury rules astrologers and astrology.

Has since time immemorial

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Astrology has always had her planet...Mercury, messenger of the gods.

Mercury rules all sorts of "magick".
The orbit of Mercury holds a very high inclination.
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Mercury completes 46 sidereal cycles and 145 synodic cycles with 46 years.
It has retreating arcs of 12 degrees for 20 days.
Mercury is alternating between moistening and drying, and common.

Mercury controls interpretation, messengers, critical thinking, judgement, philosophers, diviners, astrologers,

prophets

It is chronocrator over childhood up to the 14th year.

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Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf
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Re: since time immemorial MERCURY is the ruler of astrology and astrologers

Probably because of the amount of knowledge involved and the intellectual capacities needed to understand and work with magick. But I do not know if Mercury can be called a ruler of both astrology and all forms of magick. To me a ruler is someone who can give the results or deny them, can a trickster god be a ruler for a serious study of astrology or magick?
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Probably because of the amount of knowledge involved
and the intellectual capacities needed to understand and work with magick.
But I do not know if Mercury can be called a ruler of both astrology and all forms of magick.
To me a ruler is someone who can give the results
or deny them, can a trickster god
be a ruler for a serious study of astrology or magick?
as defined by some - magick is a form of illusion
western astrology is considered "fairground entertainment"


'.... Mercurys effects go in many directions
depending on the changes of the zodia
and the interactions of the stars
and yields quite varied results...
as for the end result
Mercury will make everything capricious in outcome
and quite disturbed....' Vettius Valens THE ANTHOLOGY
https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf



CARMEN ASTROLOGICUM Dorotheus of Sidon Book One
translated by David Pingree http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dorotheus1.pdf

CARMEN ASTROLOGICUM Dorotheus of Sidon Book Two
translated by David Pingree
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dorotheus2.pdf

CARMEN ASTROLOGICUM Dorotheus of Sidon Book Three
translated by David Pingree
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dorotheus3.pdf
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Re: since time immemorial MERCURY is the ruler of astrology and astrologers

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Probably because of the amount of knowledge involved and the intellectual capacities needed to understand and work with magick. But I do not know if Mercury can be called a ruler of both astrology and all forms of magick. To me a ruler is someone who can give the results or deny them, can a trickster god be a ruler for a serious study of astrology or magick?
I was thinking Mercury, the trickster god, makes sense for magic, as most occult traditions are hidden or secret. They are layered and easily misinterpreted, so the knowledge is kept safe from curious prying eyes and revealed only to those who are real magicians or w/e. I think Mercury, the trickster, makes absolute sense.
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Re: since time immemorial MERCURY is the ruler of astrology and astrologers

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I was thinking Mercury, the trickster god, makes sense for magic, as most occult traditions are hidden or secret. They are layered and easily misinterpreted, so the knowledge is kept safe from curious prying eyes and revealed only to those who are real magicians or w/e. I think Mercury, the trickster, makes absolute sense.
That is a good way to put it so you mean most magicians are tricked into believing that they are doing magic by Mercury?
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That is a good way to put it so you mean most magicians are tricked into believing that they are doing magic by Mercury?
Not at all. I believe that deep occult traditions and knowledge are hidden. There's more to it then first meets the eye. You could read a passage from a grimoire and take it at face value. Do x + y + z to complete whatever ritual, but if you try that ritual from the surface instructions, you're probably missing the main point/core of the knowledge and will not yield the maximum result.

Mercury, as ruler of the occult/magic/astrology, tricks someone. It gives you the knowledge, potentially written down and everything, but there is deeper knowledge than what is on the surface and Mercury makes you think there is nothing deeper there. You take it at face value, because of that Mercurial trickster theme. Does that make sense to you?

Edit: I do not believe magic is mere illusion as many others believe.
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Not at all. I believe that deep occult traditions and knowledge are hidden. There's more to it then first meets the eye. You could read a passage from a grimoire and take it at face value. Do x + y + z to complete whatever ritual, but if you try that ritual from the surface instructions, you're probably missing the main point/core of the knowledge and will not yield the maximum result.

Mercury, as ruler of the occult/magic/astrology, tricks someone. It gives you the knowledge, potentially written down and everything, but there is deeper knowledge than what is on the surface and Mercury makes you think there is nothing deeper there. You take it at face value, because of that Mercurial trickster theme. Does that make sense to you?

Edit: I do not believe magic is mere illusion as many others believe.

Yes, and I think if I were to ask Mercury the same thing he would definitely answer "Of course I trick some magicians into believing that they are doing real magick", because that is what a trickster god does.
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Not at all. I believe that deep occult traditions and knowledge are hidden. There's more to it then first meets the eye. You could read a passage from a grimoire and take it at face value. Do x + y + z to complete whatever ritual, but if you try that ritual from the surface instructions, you're probably missing the main point/core of the knowledge and will not yield the maximum result.

Mercury, as ruler of the occult/magic/astrology, tricks someone. It gives you the knowledge, potentially written down and everything, but there is deeper knowledge than what is on the surface and Mercury makes you think there is nothing deeper there. You take it at face value, because of that Mercurial trickster theme. Does that make sense to you?

Edit: I do not believe magic is mere illusion as many others believe.
I believe real magic is deliberately hidden by "magic tricks". Makes sense, because real magic was condemned by the Church as being "of the Devil"; and, that there's a fanatical, obsessive need ingrained in modern materialistic science to deny its existence.

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Mercury is the abstract mind. It is what distinguishes us as humans. Without Mercury... Non language, no mathematics, no invention and technology, no astrology. All of these and more are products of abstract thought.
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