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Unread 07-03-2011, 11:45 AM
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Grandmother Dying

I'm just wondering if anyone here would take a shot at reading our charts to see if their is any significance regarding this event. I have always considered her to be like a 2nd mother to me. Also, does there seem to be any issues with the surrounding family members for the both of us, good or bad.

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Re: Grandmother Dying

What I noticed initially was that both you and your grandmother have natal Moon in the 12th - a placement which often demands that a person learn about their own unrecognised emotions by nurturing the emotional life of another. Due to this there would be a strong emotional bond between the two of you - an unconscious understanding and recognition of the other.

Your grandmother appears to have had quite a difficult time in her early life. I notice that she has already experienced her Uranus Return - Uranus returning to the place it was when she was born. This occurred for her during the period of time between April 2007 and the end of 2008. Some astrologers believe that the Uranus Return is a time when - unless we are occupied in some kind of long-term project - we can at last begin to `let go', especially if life has been difficult. I have noticed that many previously healthy and sturdy people can become sick and frail once they experience their Uranus Return. It is as though with this transit they feel they at last have permission to let go of their hold on life.

For you, perhaps Pluto's transit of your 12th house relates to your grandmother's illness. You have already experienced Pluto conjunct your natal Moon, which would have prepared you emtoionally for the inevitable death of your grandmother. You would have had to face all your deepest feelings to do with your earlier experience of `mother', part of which would have been the fear of loss and abandonment.
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Unread 07-03-2011, 11:36 PM
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Re: Grandmother Dying

Raven,

you said,

"I notice that she has already experienced her Uranus Return - Uranus returning to the place it was when she was born. This occurred for her during the period of time between April 2007 and the end of 2008." I think it was during this time that her dear friend passed. After that she seemed to have given up and started talking about wanting to "go home". In fact, some of us were talking about this today before I returned home and read your response.

You also said, " You have already experienced Pluto conjunct your natal Moon, which would have prepared you emtoionally for the inevitable death of your grandmother. You would have had to face all your deepest feelings to do with your earlier experience of `mother', part of which would have been the fear of loss and abandonment."

Can you tell the time of period in which Pluto conjuct my natal Moon?

Thank you very much. I appreciate you taking the time. Again, thank you.
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You also said, " You have already experienced Pluto conjunct your natal Moon, which would have prepared you emtoionally for the inevitable death of your grandmother. You would have had to face all your deepest feelings to do with your earlier experience of `mother', part of which would have been the fear of loss and abandonment."

Can you tell the time of period in which Pluto conjuct my natal Moon?
Funny you should ask that. As I wrote about the Pluto transit I thought: "Mmm, maybe I should also look up the timing of that."

Prior to the transit to your Moon you had Pluto forming a conjunction with your Venus - March`08 & April`08, then Jan`09 to Jan`10 - which was a time when you were led to examine your core values, perhaps through a relationship struggle, or maybe through a difficulty in bringing creative energy to the surface.

Hot on the heels of that has been Pluto's conjunction to your Moon: Jan`10 to Jan`11, then July`11 to Nov`11.
The Moon represents all of:
  • your instinctual repsonses to your world and your changing environment
  • your sense of being nurtured
  • the kind of mothering you receive
  • your emotional `style'
Pluto acts in a deep and very internal way, but we experience Pluto through our external world. We tend to have our lives changed through the external events we experience, but these are little more than a reflection of our internal landscape. Thus, it will be important to examine your responses to events in relation to how it is you feel and why. Which is why I mentioned that the impending death of your grandmother will bring to the surface for you all your deepest fears re loss and `abandonment' by the mother. `Abandonment by mother' is one of the most fearful things a child faces, and most children contemplate this at some stage. Coming face-to-face with it as a reality is almost unbearable.
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Re: Grandmother Dying

Thanks, Raven! That all makes sense.

There are some unusual things taking place around this event. I don't want to go into detail, but lets just say that most of the family isn't happy with how things are being handled by those legally in charge. Is there anything in her/my chart that would offer some insight?

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Thanks, Raven! That all makes sense.
That's a relief!!

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There are some unusual things taking place around this event. I don't want to go into detail, but lets just say that most of the family isn't happy with how things are being handled by those legally in charge. Is there anything in her/my chart that would offer some insight?
For legal issues, best look at things going on in the house of Libra (i.e. 7th) or the house of Sagittarius (9th)

On your grandmother's chart, she has transiting Saturn approaching (again) her natal Saturn in the 7th. Now, this may be causing delays (in some area of her `real' life - her outer, as opposed to inner life) and this is particularly stressful since her natal Saturn forms one of the points of her natal Yod............ (I will not go into what that means in this thread, as it is a huge subject just on its own. If you want to research Yods, begin here:
http://astrotribe.tribe.net/thread/b...8-76fd032d6eb4
http://www.aquariuspapers.com/astrol...s-it-work.html
There is also quite a lot of discussion on Yods in this forum history.)

The timing of the delays will coincide with transiting Saturn's conjunct formation with her natal Saturn:
  • late Nov to late Dec 2010
  • early March - mid April 2011 (the most stressful time)
  • mid Aug - mid Sep 2011 (the time when resolution appears imminent)
At these times your grandmother's Yod was/will be activated, and this not only causes delays, but redirections and frequently (apparently) uncharactersitic behaviour in those around her. Transiting Saturn will create restrictions temporarily. Transiting Saturn also brings us to looking at the physical realities of life, such a finances and managing the details of a physical existence.
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At these times your grandmother's Yod was/will be activated, and this not only causes delays, but redirections and frequently (apparently) uncharactersitic behaviour in those around her. Transiting Saturn will create restrictions temporarily. Transiting Saturn also brings us to looking at the physical realities of life, such a finances and managing the details of a physical existence.
I have heard Yods linked to deaths and passing

I expect T Uranus conj Asc brought sudden health problems. T pluto a few years ago probably brought major changes in life. My own father passed with T Pluto conj MC, same time T Pluto was conj my mother's sun sign

Natal moon conj uranus shows problems relating to her mother and early split and poss problems relating to women and it's also on my list of divorce aspects. Also moon here shows she didn't receive enough emotional nurturance in childhood

May I suggest you read the 'welcome to the world of astrology’ and other ---sticky' at the top of this forum? It has some great explanations, links etc. At the top of every forum there are lots of ‘stickys’ which explain matters in that forum, along with guidelines & tips

There is a 'plethora' of information on AW, espec in the 'stickys' at the top of every forum, our Education forum and Recommendations forum to. Plus we have a good search feature,[but not foolproof obviously, so try here first] bit like google using keywords –initially select advanced and try just selecting 'titles' rather than posts or you'll get too many threads. If this doesn’t get results then try google

What Astrology Can and Can Not Do
http://www.ofspirit.com/susanmiller1.htm
http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/whatastrologycandoforyou.html
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_kdvalue_e.htm

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=234549&postcount=7
Perhaps you should read this thread entitled: astrology predicts meanings, not events
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17546&page=2

I don't believe there a a formula for predicting death, and if there were, I certainly wouldn't want to know either.


Info on Yod’s
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TheYod15.5.htm
http://asphodelea.com/yods.html
http://www.drstandley.com/astrologycharts_yod.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yod_(astrology)
http://realastrologers.com/?p=331
http://medicalastrologybyeileennauma...t-and-yod.html
http://thezodiac.com/yod.htm

http://medicalastrologybyeileennauman.blogspot.com/2009/03/inconjunct-aspect-and-yod.html

http://www.khaldea.com/kldaephem/2000/oct2011gmt.shtml
3rd week in October T Mars will activate this Yod with conjunction to Neptune, so keep watch
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Re: Grandmother Dying

"early March - mid April 2011 (the most stressful time)"

her daughter died early March by mid April she had been hospitalized for a week and removed from her home and placed into a nursing home.
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"Natal moon conj uranus shows problems relating to her mother and early split and poss problems relating to women and it's also on my list of divorce aspects"

she adored her mother and never divorced, but she hasn't talked to one of her daughters in 12 years.
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Re: Grandmother Dying

She died this afternoon. Here is her chart for the day



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so sorry hear to, take time and greive, I know it feels like the world has stopped moving, it's just the grief and shock...LOL xxxxx
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