A Voyage of Discovery: Astrological Ages for the Tropical Zodiac

david starling

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Looking at the tropical Ages within recorded history:

It begins with the tropical Age of Libra (c.4850-3100 B.C.E.) AIR, Realm of Mind
Then, the tropical Age of Scorpio (c.3100-1350 B.C.E.) WATER, Realm of Emotion
Followed by the tropical Age of Sagittarius (c.1350 B.C.E.-400 A.D.) FIRE, Realm of Spirit
Now, at its ending, the tropical Age of Capricorn (c.400-2150 A.D.) EARTH, Realm of Matter.

Next up, the tropical Age of Aquarius (c.2150-3900 A.D.) AIR, Realm of Mind.
 

CapAquaPis

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I expected fierce resistance from Saturn, regarding this gradual, transitional changeover to tropical Uranian rulership. After all, it's been going on periodically for over a century as the tropical Age-indicator has transited nearer to tropical Aquarius, and includes two World Wars and the Spanish Flu pandemic. 2020 is the closest approach of the True-setting of the tropical Age-indicator yet--less than 1 degree. Saturn's "back is to the wall", and its Malefic side is in full fury, personified by the Grim Reaper.

Next January, the True-setting will back off a degree and Saturn will be less dangerous, both for that reason, and because it will have moved out of its most effective Sign-position, Capricorn, and into the Uranian-ruled Sign, Aquarius.

In contrast, the sidereal, Piscean Age-ruler, dreamy Neptune, will give way easly to the changeover to sidereal Uranian rulership.

And the period from 1945-1990 was the cold war, a 45 year contest of great tension between the US and its allies vs the USSR and theirs. The conflict of two ideologies: Libertarian capitalist democratic representation vs Authoritarian socialist unipartisan rule, almost ended into nuclear war in the 1950s, closer in the 1962 Cuban Missile crisis and again in the 1980s before Mikhail Gorbachev in 1985 as the last Soviet leader made peace with US president Ronald Reagan. The Soviet Union vanished into world history on Christmas day (Dec 25), 1991.

Then there's the period from 2001-2020 known as the war on terror, after the US was struck with 2 planes took down the World Trade Center's twin towers and one hit the Pentagon, the US armed forces headquarters. We were involved in about 6 conflicts, the most known are Afghanistan and Iraq, but they ousted the president Saddam Hussein who wasn't in connection with Al-Qaeda in 2003. From Sep 11 2001-Feb 29, 2020, this was America's "longest war and battle" longer than the Vietnam war which lasted from November 2, 1963 to April 29, 1975.

And if Dec 2020-Jan 2021 is the actual date the Aquarian age begins from 4 things in the twin year, some say more significant in world history than when the world entered the new millennia on Jan 1, 2000: The first 2 mos. of the Trump impeachment hearings, a global pandemic from Mar-June (according to epidemiologists, also warned us of a possible second wave, if we're not careful), economic crisis expected from July-Oct. and post-election tension in the USA in Nov-Dec., as it's highly expected the controversial Trump presidency will end big time.
 

david starling

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And the period from 1945-1990 was the cold war, a 45 year contest of great tension between the US and its allies vs the USSR and theirs. The conflict of two ideologies: Libertarian capitalist democratic representation vs Authoritarian socialist unipartisan rule, almost ended into nuclear war in the 1950s, closer in the 1962 Cuban Missile crisis and again in the 1980s before Mikhail Gorbachev in 1985 as the last Soviet leader made peace with US president Ronald Reagan. The Soviet Union vanished into world history on Christmas day (Dec 25), 1991.

Then there's the period from 2001-2020 known as the war on terror, after the US was struck with 2 planes took down the World Trade Center's twin towers and one hit the Pentagon, the US armed forces headquarters. We were involved in about 6 conflicts, the most known are Afghanistan and Iraq, but they ousted the president Saddam Hussein who wasn't in connection with Al-Qaeda in 2003. From Sep 11 2001-Feb 29, 2020, this was America's "longest war and battle" longer than the Vietnam war which lasted from November 2, 1963 to April 29, 1975.

And if Dec 2020-Jan 2021 is the actual date the Aquarian age begins from 4 things in the twin year, some say more significant in world history than when the world entered the new millennia on Jan 1, 2000: The first 2 mos. of the Trump impeachment hearings, a global pandemic from Mar-June (according to epidemiologists, also warned us of a possible second wave, if we're not careful), economic crisis expected from July-Oct. and post-election tension in the USA in Nov-Dec., as it's highly expected the controversial Trump presidency will end big time.

This^ is all about the difficulties of the tropical Age of Capricorn, with Saturn in control of our materialistic existence. There is Aquarian Age influence in the mix, but it will require full Uranian Age-rulership replacing that of Saturn for the actual Aquarian Age manifestations to emerge. The True-setting of the Age-indicator will first ingress tropical Aquarius in 2047, but will swing back and forth after that. It's not until 2149 that the Mean-setting will begin the real, steadily direct-motion manifestations of the tropical Age of Aquarius.

This Age of Saturn-ruled Capricorn is all about life-threatening problems. The Uranian-ruled Age of Aquarius will be all about humanitarian solutions. We just have to accept that we're still in the transitional period between the two tropical Ages.

The oncoming, permanently retrograde, sidereal Aquarian Age (the tropical Ages are direct-motion, with ongoing permutations), regardless of exactly when it starts, will make the tropical Ages-transition that much easier, but can't do much on its own--Saturn trumps it, as the current tropical Age-ruler.
 
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david starling

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There's much to admire and love about this materialistic, tropical Age of Capricorn, but the downside is too severe. Time to evolve into the next Age-cycle. Once one tropically examines the dynamics of the direct-motion Capricornian Age shifting from its ending into the very beginning of the Aquarian Age, one can see and feel it happening.

Sidereally, the retrograde-motion of a non-materialistic Age of Pisces into a non-materialistic Age of Aquarius is out of sync with the socio-economic drama playing out on the World-stage and affecting our daily lives.
 
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david starling

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Clearing away the confusion, there's been a general consensus, for nearly a century, that an Age of Aquarius is the next precessional Age to come.

Now, what Sign precedes Aquarius, in the direct sequence of the Signs of the Zodiac? Obviously, it's Capricorn.

So, what precessional Age are we in now, nearing its completion? Gotta be the Age of Capricorn if the Aquarian Age is next to come.
 
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leomoon

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Clearing away the confusion, there's been a general consensus, for nearly a century, that an Age of Aquarius is the next precessional Age to come.

Now, what Sign precedes Aquarius, in the direct sequence of the Signs of the Zodiac? Obviously, it's Capricorn.

So, what precessional Age are we in now, nearing its completion? Gotta be the Age of Capricorn if the Aquarian Age is next to come.




Well, it certainly "FEELS" like it like forever, as long as I've been aware of the gross materialism and greed in this country for which it stands. :unsure:


It hit me square between the eyes, when I had my 1st baby in 1972 - and during the typical 10 hour ordeal of pain and confusion back then, the screaming that went on in a room with a few victims of pain - waiting it out ... the nurses wanted to inject my spine with a spinal block. I yelled "no"., because I couldn't stay still for them to do it, and they insisted that they could not unless I was absolutely still. Instead, I came up with a novel idea, "take my injection, and give it to her' (the girl in the next bed screaming even more then I was) They answered, 'well we can't..":surprised: So I said "why not?" Answer "You have insurance" " I don't want it and you say its so good for pain" and she's in terrible pain too. (her 1st)

The nurse said to me, "Because she doesn't have insurance, she's on welfare" and "its a very expensive drug."


I realized then & there the horrible inequity of our capitalism system and was never the same again.


We missed the boat with Senator Sanders, and it may not come back EVER until this country crashed under the sheer weight of it's greed.


Over 2 (or was it 3 Trillion) of the Stimulus Money was eaten up by those making over 1 Million per year says the watchdogs and government , something like 90% of it went to the wealthy in this country.



YEP, as a Capricorn Stellium myself, in the 6th house, I say it stinks....Robbing the middle class and giving to the Rich to be richer. :bandit:
 

david starling

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There are some Aquarian changes already occurring as the Age of Aquarius approaches, but meeting intense resistance from those who are unable to deal with the malefic side of Saturn in their own charts. The Age "pumps up the volume" of one Age-sign's rulership, until the Age-indicator actually ingresses the next Sign. So, Saturn is still way stronger than would otherwise be the case. Channeling the malefic nature of Saturn is the most effective way to gain power, especially through the Capricornian, Capitalistic system. So, we end up with the worst people running the show.
 

leomoon

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There are some Aquarian changes already occurring as the Age of Aquarius approaches, but meeting intense resistance from those who are unable to deal with the malefic side of Saturn in their own charts. The Age "pumps up the volume" of one Age-sign's rulership, until the Age-indicator actually ingresses the next Sign. So, Saturn is still way stronger than would otherwise be the case. Channeling the malefic nature of Saturn is the most effective way to gain power, especially through the Capricornian, Capitalistic system. So, we end up with the worst people running the show.


I never thought of that before, seeing Saturn (the Ruler of Capricorn) as the malefic that will indeed act out that way IF we haven't consciously made the attempt to correct our behaviors and depending on the Saturn aspects in one's chart. Thank god my Saturn is trine Venus sextile Neptune and trine the MC. Something decent there since it's the Sun-Mars-Mercury ruler.



I feel badly for those who don't have this aid from their charts, but I also believe that they CAN make a conscious choice to take the high road, and not the road of least resistance which IS too often the problem when greed plays out like it has. It takes people to change. Enough of them. To change a Paradigm....like this one:unsure:

 

david starling

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Since the Age-signs overlap, with the leading Age-sign of one Age becoming the background Age-sign for the next, Capricorn will continue as background Age-sign during the foreground Age of Aquarius. Then, Saturn will be background, instead of foreground Age-ruler, and will become a benefic, providing a modicum of structure to an otherwise chaotic Uranian-ruled foreground Age.
 

leomoon

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What sign reflects best the past 50 years if not Capricorn. At the very heart of this sign is the absolute (its a Cardinal sign), desire for security. Security comes best (they say), from having enough money. Having enough money is a relative term, likely inspired thoughts about money from parental guidance, how you live and what your parents taught you about money. Is it for hoarding, for saving or for sharing?



I was very very lucky. I had a Virgo Sun father who assaulted me, but besides that infraction, he did manage to share values of being generous to the neighbors when the neighbors were "down & out".

He did subscribe to the concept of "Service" just as a 6th house ruler (Virgo) might do. He'd say, "leave the shopping cart instead of taking it to the rest of them to park, let the person of a lowly wage, have a job".....and I always remembered that. Probably helped that he himself had only service related jobs (taxi driver and later Social Security Medicare Disability section) again, related to the 6th house of service industry jobs.


On the other hand, my mother gave and gave sometimes, all her own groceries she just purchased would be gone before she arrived home. She'd explain the needy person on the corner, or the homeless guy as she turned the other street...carrying her bag along. :love: There can be "generosity to a fault" I suppose.


What did people like DJT, Steven Mnuchin, Treasury and Wilbur Ross (Commerce SEcretary at 82 years of age!!) and a Billionaire, need with a job? Its GREED behind all of it. Just look around and assess those in this administration and their "net worth pp"


Ross was born Dec. 28, so 1st decan Capricorn. Greed personified:


* ( btw; I think both Clintons are also terribly greedy, so I tend to be neutral in assessing these things)


Wilbur Ross currently as an 82 yr. old dude, still raking it in, as is Betsy DeVoss (Amway fortune), and harming schoolchildren with her changes - giving money usually given to the "public schools" instead to the "private schools" wherever she can get away with it.

I don't like that most of the Sun sign I share is unfortunately skewed in their values system they adopt, its not something I'm proud of to say the least. I am however, happy to have some Sun peers in this group even though the minority who share this sign with me. Yogananda for one, David Bowie (R.I.P.) was another. They shared, were generous, and knew the score. I'll have to check their Saturn aspects too.

Yogananda: January 5th, 1893 His Saturn is as mine :love: Sextile to Venus and Trine to Neptune! Perhaps Neptune's vibes in such harmony with one's Sun ruler is evident of the collective and how you will likely respond to them.


(the late) David Bowie: We shared the same aspects - (other then being born across the pond), a natal twin chart ...




When Pluto is out of Capricorn and into Aquarius, will we all feel some relief in being equitable to more of our fellow citizens? Will the world feel this equity too? Certainly in the USA, we are amongst the greedier nations.


I don't think I'll be in the earth to see it, but we are on the cusp of Aquarius - A cusp decan can take hundreds of years. We can see the "seed" planted for change.



(Parable of the sower - in Matthew from Jesus)
Then he told them many things in parables, saying: "A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow.
But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop-a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.



9Whoever has ears, let them hear."
 
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david starling

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Leomoon, I was going to ask you how you managed to prevent malefic Saturn from taking you over, but you already explained it. :biggrin:

You may be surprised to learn that very few tropical astrologers use 2150 for the start of the sidereal Aquarian Age. And, that most all siderealists, including Vedic, pay little, if any attention at all, to their own sidereal Ages! It's the tropicalists who are most impressed with the Ages concept., especially in reference to an upcoming Aquarian Age.
 
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david starling

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What sign reflects best the past 50 years if not Capricorn. At the very heart of this sign is the absolute (its a Cardinal sign), desire for security. Security comes best (they say), from having enough money. Having enough money is a relative term, likely inspired thoughts about money from parental guidance, how you live and what your parents taught you about money. Is it for hoarding, for saving or for sharing?



I was very very lucky. I had a Virgo Sun father who assaulted me, but besides that infraction, he did manage to share values of being generous to the neighbors when the neighbors were "down & out".

He did subscribe to the concept of "Service" just as a 6th house ruler (Virgo) might do. He'd say, "leave the shopping cart instead of taking it to the rest of them to park, let the person of a lowly wage, have a job".....and I always remembered that. Probably helped that he himself had only service related jobs (taxi driver and later Social Security Medicare Disability section) again, related to the 6th house of service industry jobs.


On the other hand, my mother gave and gave sometimes, all her own groceries she just purchased would be gone before she arrived home. She'd explain the needy person on the corner, or the homeless guy as she turned the other street...carrying her bag along. :love: There can be "generosity to a fault" I suppose.


What did people like DJT, Steven Mnuchin, Treasury and Wilbur Ross (Commerce SEcretary at 82 years of age!!) and a Billionaire, need with a job? Its GREED behind all of it. Just look around and assess those in this administration and their "net worth pp"


Ross was born Dec. 28, so 1st decan Capricorn. Greed personified:


* ( btw; I think both Clintons are also terribly greedy, so I tend to be neutral in assessing these things)


Wilbur Ross currently as an 82 yr. old dude, still raking it in, as is Betsy DeVoss (Amway fortune), and harming schoolchildren with her changes - giving money usually given to the "public schools" instead to the "private schools" wherever she can get away with it.

I don't like that most of the Sun sign I share is unfortunately skewed in their values system they adopt, its not something I'm proud of to say the least. I am however, happy to have some Sun peers in this group even though the minority who share this sign with me. Yogananda for one, David Bowie (R.I.P.) was another. They shared, were generous, and knew the score. I'll have to check their Saturn aspects too.

Yogananda: January 5th, 1893 His Saturn is as mine :love: Sextile to Venus and Trine to Neptune! Perhaps Neptune's vibes in such harmony with one's Sun ruler is evident of the collective and how you will likely respond to them.


(the late) David Bowie: We shared the same aspects - (other then being born across the pond), a natal twin chart ...




When Pluto is out of Capricorn and into Aquarius, will we all feel some relief in being equitable to more of our fellow citizens? Will the world feel this equity too? Certainly in the USA, we are amongst the greedier nations.


I don't think I'll be in the earth to see it, but we are on the cusp of Aquarius - A cusp decan can take hundreds of years. We can see the "seed" planted for change.



(Parable of the sower - in Matthew from Jesus)
Then he told them many things in parables, saying: "A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow.
But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop-a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.



9Whoever has ears, let them hear."

Tropically, were closer than you think to the Age ingress into tropical Aquarius. There isn't "guess-work" involved , since the tropical Sign-placements aren't subject to opinion, as is the case sidereally.

Aso, the tropical pattern shows a very quick beginning to the most representative Fixed-sign Age manifestations; whereas, tho Cardinal-sign Ages don't show their most intrinsic results until late in the Age.
 

Opal

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John Barleycorn Must Die. Another myth to track time and explain death and reproduction, throughout the years.

The Song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnkHP_v3CYw


The History

https://austinhackney.co.uk/2016/04...ocking-truth-of-an-ancient-mystery-uncovered/

The Poem

John Barleycorn: A Ballad



1782
Type: Poem by


Robert Burns

There was three kings into the east,
Three kings both great and high,
And they hae sworn a solemn oath
John Barleycorn should die.

They took a plough and plough'd him down,
Put clods upon his head,
And they hae sworn a solemn oath
John Barleycorn was dead.

But the cheerful Spring came kindly on,
And show'rs began to fall;
John Barleycorn got up again,
And sore surpris'd them all.

The sultry suns of Summer came,
And he grew thick and strong;
His head weel arm'd wi' pointed spears,
That no one should him wrong.

The sober Autumn enter'd mild,
When he grew wan and pale;
His bending joints and drooping head
Show'd he began to fail.

His colour sicken'd more and more,
He faded into age;
And then his enemies began
To show their deadly rage.

They've taen a weapon, long and sharp,
And cut him by the knee;
Then tied him fast upon a cart,
Like a rogue for forgerie.

They laid him down upon his back,
And cudgell'd him full sore;
They hung him up before the storm,
And turned him o'er and o'er.

They filled up a darksome pit
With water to the brim;
They heaved in John Barleycorn,
There let him sink or swim.

They laid him out upon the floor,
To work him farther woe;
And still, as signs of life appear'd,
They toss'd him to and fro.

They wasted, o'er a scorching flame,
The marrow of his bones;
But a miller us'd him worst of all,
For he crush'd him between two stones.

And they hae taen his very heart's blood,
And drank it round and round;
And still the more and more they drank,
Their joy did more abound.

John Barleycorn was a hero bold,
Of noble enterprise;
For if you do but taste his blood,
'Twill make your courage rise.

'Twill make a man forget his woe;
'Twill heighten all his joy;
'Twill make the widow's heart to sing,
Tho' the tear were in her eye.

Then let us toast John Barleycorn,
Each man a glass in hand;
And may his great posterity
Ne'er fail in old Scotland!




 

Opal

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Robert Burns certainly loved his beer! Any idea regarding what he meant by "the three kings"?

I am very fond of the song. Always have been. I put it here because, I think that Burns may have been referencing, Orion's belt. Describing the cycle of life and death of the harvest.

Marking time.
 

david starling

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I am very fond of the song. Always have been. I put it here because, I think that Burns may have been referencing, Orion's belt. Describing the cycle of life and death of the harvest.

Marking time.

"John Barleycorn" sounds Druidic. Maybe the Druids related the three stars to beer, and the growing, cutting, processing, and eventual renewal that makes it possible.
 
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