Saturn combust sun question - general question -need help!

steakpie said:

well this individual's chart has SATURN 27 DEGREES, SUN 29 DEGREES both in same house,
but from what I read, saturn is combust sun really if its 8-15 degrees from the sun....
like I obviously have to take it that way, but does it not make sense that in this example ,since its closer to sun, it will be more combust?
I know i really have to follow 8-15 degrees , but I'm just curious

I ALSO read this:

About The Sun:

One thing to remember about the Sun in conjunction is that it brightens the quality of the planet it comes in conjunction with. It does not get influenced by other planets, but rather illuminates their qualities through sheer brilliance and brightness. This is especially true when the Sun is behind the other planet or has the lowest degree in the conjunction.

isnt it opposite of what combustion means?
combustion means the other planet is being burnt isnt that correct?

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Combust = burnt

'...A planet is combust when it is in conjunction with the Sun and therefore hidden from sight by the light of the Sun.
Traditionally this is a serious debility and implies that the planet is weakened or restricted in power.
However, if the planet is within 17 minutes of the Sun,
it is termed Cazimi - in the heart of the Sun - and considered strengthened by the union.

In his Introduction, William Lilly stated that the combust planet should be in the same sign as the Sun and within 8° 30'
- beyond this distance, but within 17 ° of the Sun, the planet is said to be under the Sun's beams.
This condition is debilitating, but not as severe as combustion....'


Lilly wrote of this:

"The significator of the Querent combust, shows him or her in great fear, and overpowered by some great person". (CA., p.113)

However, later, in his horary volume, (p.300): he also writes:

A Planet within 12 degrees of the Sun, is said to be under his Beames, and then hath not fortitude, let it be in what Signe it will;
when a Planet is within 16 minutes of the Sun, he is said to be in Cazimi,
or heat of the Sun, and then it's an addition of fortune, and he is wonderous strong

steakpie said:

Well I asked this question because astrologers use different degrees for different planets to show accurate combustion and hence accurate predictions, and I put saturn's degrees from sun in the OP , I do understand combust means burnt but thats the confusion here

Thanks for the response

I got this form tha same thread:


"Here's the wrinkle. First, a word about ranges of degrees. The figures 3, 7, and 15 crop up repeatedly, not just in applications and separations, where they fed into the orb concept when conflated into the Arabic aspect
doctrine, but elsewhere as well. Although the Hellenistic astrologers knew
that the actual visibility of a planet depended on the brightness as well as
the latitude of the planet, they preferred to use an idealized value of 15
degrees from the Sun for the period of under the beams for all five of the
non-luminary wandering stars (whether this was for practical or theoretical reasons will be discussed elsewhere). The Hellenistic astrologers considered a planet in a natal chart to be making a phasis if it would reach or had reached one of the four points defined above within seven days. This means a slow moving planet like Saturn could be making a phasis while only 8 degrees from the Sun, still technically under the beams; the faster the planet was moving, the closer to the 15 degree point it would have to be to make a phasis. "

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Let's compare the sun to an enormous burning fire
the closer to that enormous burning fire
the hotter it is
and the more combust aka burnt

duenderoja said:

Combustion only applies in horary - correct? It is irrelevant in a natal chart.

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