dodekatemorion and profection
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theV
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yes it is the harmonic 13 is the dodek chart,great discovery
I am also new to the antiscia I am still learning about it,but I have done antiscia chart with natal chart
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Cap
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And Egyptian method is harmonic 12.
That raises a question: what about other harmonics? Can appropriate harmonic be used when delineating matters of particular house in question, similarly to Arabic parts?
Obviously this is not out of scope of traditional astrology because they used harmonics, just called them differently.
poyi
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I had mentioned it a few times the relationship of antiscia really attraction people together. As an example Virgo rising I had only been with Aries rising men. You can check charts of people you know of.
theV
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Looking to my Antiscia/natal comparison chart there is a significant things going on right there,like my Antiscia sun is conjunct natal mc that explain why I focus a lot on my social life and career and being very ambitious and also the antiscia mc is also on virgo;
neptune and uranus conjunct moon explain artistic and escapisim,mars being in the 8th house explain anger issues,now looking to antiscia a lot of things are being explained and cleared away
neptune and uranus conjunct moon explain artistic and escapisim,mars being in the 8th house explain anger issues,now looking to antiscia a lot of things are being explained and cleared away
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theV
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I do agree with you,I am starting to give them more importance,they clearify things from chart and help you understand more,just like dr.farr said it shows the hidden wellsprings or underlying background chart,for example my natal neptune is parallel my natal 5th house and in antiscia it's in the 5th house,my chiron and mercury in parallel to the 9th house in antiscia they are in the 9th house,I might do a reading later of my natal/antiscia but i need bit of research
theV
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Dr.farr didn't approve the contra parallel aspect but i think you should
http://altairastrology.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/parallel-and-antiscion-for-the-solstice/
http://altairastrology.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/parallel-and-antiscion-for-the-solstice/
poyi
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I have Jupiter as the traditional planet contra parallel to MC and north node also in opposition, I feel the energy very strongly. I have much luck at work and also working with foreigners, mutiple foreign cultures, foreign religions etc.
JUPITERASC
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!Actually I had stated that I (usually) don't use contra-parallel because of SOME degree of doubt I have as to whether contra's = opposition influences (which the majority of contemporary practitioners believe and which is PROBABLY accurate) or whether contra's = the same a Parallels, ie, defacto conjunctions (which was the prevalent belief of oldtime practitioners, reaching even into the Modern times: Sepharial, Alvidas, Leo, Adams, Carter, Robson, M.P. Hall, and others-earlier in the 20th century-all shared this perspective)-now, probably this view (contras and Parallels meaning the same thing, ie, defacto conjunction) is wrong; however, I have reservations about this matter (exactly what contras signify) so I (generally) have conncentrated only on Parallels (which all through history have agreed = strong conjunctions)-but this is my own personal outlook, and I would encourage all our friends to follow their own insights regarding the matter of contra-parallels: and, as I mentioned above, PROBABLY contra's DO signify opposition influences...
In a way, yes: that's what is actually done in Vedic astrology, where they have (since most ancient times) used divisional charts (which they call "vargas") as part and parcel of the full delineation of the natal chart (all Vedic historical authorities have stated that the delineation of the natal chart is incomplete until all the varga charts stemming from it have also been delineated) However VEDIC divisional charts (varga charts) are computed (calculated) differently than the way HARMONIC charts are calculated-in Vedic each varga chart has special (or modifications of special) rules for making the calculations for that specific varga chart.
Nonetheless, I have experimented USING HARMONIC CHARTS for the various Vedic vargas, with interesting (encouraging) results.
Here are some of the significations (areas, departments of life) of the Vedic vargas: (D means "divisional chart"; the original natal chart is referred to as the "D1)
-D2: money, cash flow (2nd harmonic could be used; notice the connection here with the 2nd house)
-D3: brothers, associates, etc; also the nature of the person (3rd harmonic could be used)
-D4: wealth, home, property (notice the connection with the 4th house; the 4th harmonic could be used)
-D6: health (notice the connection with the 6th house; the 6th harmonic could be used)
-D7: children, progeny (the 7th harmonic could be used)
-D9: most important of the divisional charts (other than the natal-D1) in Vedic astrology: dharma (purpose of life), also love, romance, friends, marriage (the 9th harmonic could be used)
-D10: profession, career, business, etc (notice the connection with the 10th house; the 10th harmonic could be used)
-D12: parents; also those in authority over the native (at any and all levels); also, past life (regarding the "past life" indication, notice the connection with the 12th house; the 12th harmonic could be used)
...higher divisional charts (beyond the 12 houses) are also used in Vedic delineation:
-D16: comforts, pleasures; vehicles/transportation, etc (the 16th harmonic could be used)
-D17: travels (especially long distance, like 9th house) also education (again like the 9th house; the 17th harmonic could be used)
-D20: spiritual matters (the 20th harmonic could be used)
-D27: innate strengths and weaknesses (the 27th harmonic could be used)
-D30: potential evils one could be susceptible to (the 30th harmonic could be used)
-D40: "luck", good and bad events/streaks, etc (the 40th harmonic could be used)
-D60: the "karma varga", the "plan of" (or karmic outline underlying) the current life (the 60th harmonic could be used)
So, in answer to Cap's question, I'd say yes definitely the harmonic charts can be applied for additional, deeper and specific investigation into the various departments and areas of a life, deriving from the original natal chart...
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theV
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Most of generation(1993/1995) have antiscia neptune/uranus in saggy conjunct my moon and squaring my sun,I always noticed the theme of neptune/sun when I interact my friend but i never found it in synastry,I always identifie with neptune but in my natal chart there isn't strong indication,but my antiscia moon is conjunct to neptune square my sun
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JUPITERASC
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Dodekatemorion and profection are obviously Traditional techniques
and this thread forms part of the Traditional Forum, therefore I quote from Traditional Astrology Forum Rules clearly displayed
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Traditional Astrology Forum is For discussions on Traditional Astrology only
Note:
Typically, traditional astrology is defined as using techniques developed prior to 1700 by astrologers from the Hellenistic, Persian, Hebrew, and Renassiance eras.
Specifically it relies on Ptolemaic aspects (sextile, trine, square, opposition and conjunction)
and exludes modern planets (Neptune, Uranus and Pluto,) non-Ptolemaic aspects, as well as any asteroids.
The focus is less on what would be considered modern psychological chart interpretetation and more on prediction.
Members who wish to explore a combination of traditional and modern ideas should feel free to start a new thread in an appropriate forum for further discussion.
theV
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Dodekatemorion and profection are obviously Traditional techniques
and this thread forms part of the Traditional Forum, therefore I quote from Traditional Astrology Forum Rules clearly displayed
QUOTE
Traditional Astrology Forum is For discussions on Traditional Astrology only
Note:
Typically, traditional astrology is defined as using techniques developed prior to 1700 by astrologers from the Hellenistic, Persian, Hebrew, and Renassiance eras.
Specifically it relies on Ptolemaic aspects (sextile, trine, square, opposition and conjunction)
and exludes modern planets (Neptune, Uranus and Pluto,) non-Ptolemaic aspects, as well as any asteroids.
The focus is less on what would be considered modern psychological chart interpretetation and more on prediction.
Members who wish to explore a combination of traditional and modern ideas should feel free to start a new thread in an appropriate forum for further discussion.
Sorry if I was off the subject,I was replying to one of comment
JUPITERASC
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You were not off-topic/off the subject but you simply discussed an outer planet and - as clearly stated by the rules of the forum - Traditional astrology excludes the newly discovered outer planets. For Traditional astrology the outer planets are Jupiter and Saturn.
So I highlighted the traditional forum rules specifically for the benefit of any newcomers reading your comments because frequently newcomers are unaware of the distinctions between traditional and modern delineation. Since modern astrology is entirely based on traditional and ancient astrology, my intention as well is to encourage you to continue the discussion concerning specifically the modern outer planets in relation to dodekatemorion and profection on one of our sub-forums that is other than the Traditional forum because it is certainly of interest
Cap
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Thank you dr Farr!
Your input is invaluable as always!
Question: When you delineate new position of the planet through Pauline dodekatemorion or any other harmonic do you keep original house cusps placement or move the ascendant also thus having new positions of the house cusps?
If you are making a harmonic chart (such as a PD "ramification" chart using the 13th harmonic) NO, you use the ascendant and house cusps as modified by that harmonic (IE, by the harmonic chart you are using)...
However, IF in delineating the radix (original, D1) chart you WISH TO EVALUATE THE DODEK POSITIONS OF EACH PLANET RELATIVE TO THAT CHART, RELATING THAT DODEK POSITION TO THE ORIGINAL POSITIONS OTHER PLANETS, LOTS, SIGNS, ETC OF THAT ORIGINAL CHART, then YES, you keep the original ascendant and house cusps of that original chart.