pommepomme
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I have recently been running into questions (including my own) that figure Jupiter prominently as Querent. Right now Jupiter is on Spica, which in most texts appears to both protect it from the VC and to make everything turn out okay - even if the desired outcome is denied.
That said in a recent relocation horary, wherein I asked "Should I move back to Seattle?" I am a little confused by the answer. On the surface it is a "no." I.e. we take the 1st H ruler (Jupiter) and the 7th house ruler as Seattle (Mercury) and we find that a.) There is no aspect between the two, thus a "no." And b.) Mercury is about to change signs to be dignified in it's own spot (makes sense as Seattle is doing pretty well...) but that would place it in the detriment of Jupiter - again a big red flag for Jupiter.
Okay, fair enough. But of the two locations (here or there) Mercury is clearly much stronger (Power at 13, and just getting stronger as it moves from it's critical degree at Regulus in Leo to Virgo - it's own sign and exaltation) and Mars being at a mere 1. But they BOTH hate me. (If you use receptions.)
However, we also have Jupiter in Libra on Spica here in the 10th house - typically this is the house of career, etc, but Jupiter is not making any aspects to 10th house ruler (Venus) and Jupiter is exalting Saturn with mutual/mixed reception (i.e. Saturn is in the sign of Jupiter) thus suggesting that whatever Saturn is is "best" for Jupiter. But Saturn here is in the 1st house, rules the 2nd and 3rd - which are usually houses of possessions and money/siblings, communication and short trips.... Unclear what the heck that means for relocation?? Also note, however that SN is in 2nd/3rd house... so that would usually be pretty shaky for the affairs of those houses.
Using Lilly's rules for relocation doesn't help either - as the 4th house ruler (where I am now) is Mars - and Jupiter is in the sign of detriment for Mars (I hate where I am) and Mars doesn't like me much either...(Mars is in detriment of Jupiter.) So... where I am is pretty awful too. So it looks like staying is bad too. Sigh. What's a person to do? Lol.
So, the only "possible" saving grace is the Moon which is positioned in the sign and house of current home - Mars (so maybe I have some "heart" for here?) but no reception back (Mars is indifferent to the Moon.) Note also that nasty upcoming opposition between Moon and Jupiter... Hmm. Could this be a home/career conflict? That doesn't make much sense really, as I don't have anything holding me here (well, I guess my kids are here) and I am pretty miserable here. Maybe something gives - but if it is a career opportunity I should avoid it in both where I am AND in Seattle, eh? What with me being in detriment these places... In any case, the real question is what does Jupiter's position on Spica, unaspected mean?
Just as an aside as far as other methods are concerned it would look like Wallis' Magic 8 ball rules would say "Yes." (Mercury on 7th = Yes.)
Ankara would say "Maybe." (Whole house)
Couple of other very tertiary things to note/that may have impact: Jupiter (Me) is Parallel Neptune. Mars (for current location) is conjunct antiscion of Uranus - as I don't usually note outer planets, but have found Neptune to indicate either deception (self or other) or escapism and Uranus to create some level of havoc/unexpected event - this is interesting for Mars as an aside or "hidden" influence... anyone have any other insight on what this means? (Uranus being in 4th and Neptune in 3rd here.)
Also for those who like Sabians: the antiscion of the Asc is on 21 Capricorn: A Relay Race; for the 7th it is 21 Cancer: A Prima Donna Sings for 4th is 26 Virgo: A Boy with A Censer Serves Near an Altar and for 10th House (Final Outcome for some) it is: New Moon Reveals Time for People To Move Ahead with Projects.
So, I ever more confused by what the overall chart is trying to tell me. There are no third options, and I am not currently working or looking for a job, so not sure what I am missing.
Biggest question for those of you who have much practice with querent on Spica - has this meant "no" and what was the outcome for your client/question?
Chart in question is attached
Any insights from those of you with in-depth experience with Spica in horary and what other houses in a relocation can mean is much appreciated.
That said in a recent relocation horary, wherein I asked "Should I move back to Seattle?" I am a little confused by the answer. On the surface it is a "no." I.e. we take the 1st H ruler (Jupiter) and the 7th house ruler as Seattle (Mercury) and we find that a.) There is no aspect between the two, thus a "no." And b.) Mercury is about to change signs to be dignified in it's own spot (makes sense as Seattle is doing pretty well...) but that would place it in the detriment of Jupiter - again a big red flag for Jupiter.
Okay, fair enough. But of the two locations (here or there) Mercury is clearly much stronger (Power at 13, and just getting stronger as it moves from it's critical degree at Regulus in Leo to Virgo - it's own sign and exaltation) and Mars being at a mere 1. But they BOTH hate me. (If you use receptions.)
However, we also have Jupiter in Libra on Spica here in the 10th house - typically this is the house of career, etc, but Jupiter is not making any aspects to 10th house ruler (Venus) and Jupiter is exalting Saturn with mutual/mixed reception (i.e. Saturn is in the sign of Jupiter) thus suggesting that whatever Saturn is is "best" for Jupiter. But Saturn here is in the 1st house, rules the 2nd and 3rd - which are usually houses of possessions and money/siblings, communication and short trips.... Unclear what the heck that means for relocation?? Also note, however that SN is in 2nd/3rd house... so that would usually be pretty shaky for the affairs of those houses.
Using Lilly's rules for relocation doesn't help either - as the 4th house ruler (where I am now) is Mars - and Jupiter is in the sign of detriment for Mars (I hate where I am) and Mars doesn't like me much either...(Mars is in detriment of Jupiter.) So... where I am is pretty awful too. So it looks like staying is bad too. Sigh. What's a person to do? Lol.
So, the only "possible" saving grace is the Moon which is positioned in the sign and house of current home - Mars (so maybe I have some "heart" for here?) but no reception back (Mars is indifferent to the Moon.) Note also that nasty upcoming opposition between Moon and Jupiter... Hmm. Could this be a home/career conflict? That doesn't make much sense really, as I don't have anything holding me here (well, I guess my kids are here) and I am pretty miserable here. Maybe something gives - but if it is a career opportunity I should avoid it in both where I am AND in Seattle, eh? What with me being in detriment these places... In any case, the real question is what does Jupiter's position on Spica, unaspected mean?
Just as an aside as far as other methods are concerned it would look like Wallis' Magic 8 ball rules would say "Yes." (Mercury on 7th = Yes.)
Ankara would say "Maybe." (Whole house)
Couple of other very tertiary things to note/that may have impact: Jupiter (Me) is Parallel Neptune. Mars (for current location) is conjunct antiscion of Uranus - as I don't usually note outer planets, but have found Neptune to indicate either deception (self or other) or escapism and Uranus to create some level of havoc/unexpected event - this is interesting for Mars as an aside or "hidden" influence... anyone have any other insight on what this means? (Uranus being in 4th and Neptune in 3rd here.)
Also for those who like Sabians: the antiscion of the Asc is on 21 Capricorn: A Relay Race; for the 7th it is 21 Cancer: A Prima Donna Sings for 4th is 26 Virgo: A Boy with A Censer Serves Near an Altar and for 10th House (Final Outcome for some) it is: New Moon Reveals Time for People To Move Ahead with Projects.
So, I ever more confused by what the overall chart is trying to tell me. There are no third options, and I am not currently working or looking for a job, so not sure what I am missing.
Biggest question for those of you who have much practice with querent on Spica - has this meant "no" and what was the outcome for your client/question?
Chart in question is attached
Any insights from those of you with in-depth experience with Spica in horary and what other houses in a relocation can mean is much appreciated.
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