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Re: Harmonics

blennus, thanks for your helpful material on the 17th harmonic! Not an easy one to dissect.

I find the higher harmonics hard to address [to me, the 4H is easiest understood as a square, for example] but two books that attempt to explain them are:

Michael Harding and Charles Harvey, 1990, _Working with Astrology: The Psychology of Harmonics, Midpoints and Astro*Carto*Graphy_[London: Arkana]

David Cochrane, 2002, _Astrology for the 21st Century_ [Gainesville: Cosmic Patterns Software, Inc.]

I have a rough method for looking at "minor" aspects [like the 7H or septile] or higher harmonics in a chart, but would love to hear from anyone who has a better system. It is:

1. Run the harmonic chart [via Astrodienst, one's own software, another web site, &c] and note the conjunctions as indicative of a true aspect in that harmonic.

2. Go back to the natal chart, and note where the above conjunct planets occur by sign, house, &c.

3. Determine the meaning of the harmonic or "minor aspect" in question. For example, a septile [7H] supposedly indicates inspiration and a kind of discipline. A vigintile [20H, or separation of 18 degrees and its multiples] is either a square in the 5H chart or a quintile in the 4H chart. Put them together, and you get a kind of challenge or tension [4-series] to develop one's creativity or special talent [5-series].

4. Synthesize #s 2 & 3, above, in the natal chart, using the natal chart's signs and houses, as harmonic charts don't show houses, and many astrologers apparently feel that the signs don't signify anything in the harmonic chart.

Does this work for you?

Most times in a chart reading I wouldn't bother with harmonics, but I do think the septile can be important for spiritual people [and apparently for composers], or maybe in a detailed reading there's no major aspect between the sun and moon, but they do have a minor aspect between them that can be picked up in a harmonic chart.

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I stumbled on this thread for the 1st time (it started before I joined the Forum I think). I did my 4th harmonic in ADienst, indeed very easy to do AM and I get this very wild chart!
I just did not manage to upload the chart, tried for at least an hour and nothing seems to work. Never mind.
What I see is the following:

Uranus in Aquarius opposed to Saturn and Chiron (11° Leo) and square Asc. in Scorpio (T-square)
POF conjunct my natal Ascendant at 25° Scorpio
Venus in Taurus opposed to the 4th harm. Ascendant (11° Scorpio)
MC of harm. chart at 24° Libra
Moon at 9° Libra trine Mars.

I really never used harmonics, but after reading this thread I am very interested. Also Waybread, what you wrote about looking where those conjunctions etc. fall in the natal chart.

OK, the harmonic Moon falls conjunct my natal Neptune.
The harmonic Uranus in Aquarius exactly opposes my Pluto in Leo
Harmonic Venus (now in the 6th house) conjunct my natal Sun opposing now also my natal Moon.

I still must figure out what this means however. So how do I deal with stress must be seen from this chart?
I really have to look at this a bit more, for now it does not tell me much as it is totally new for me.
I thought it would be good to start this thread again because of the "Bad girl" thread, remember Waybread? I cannot see why she is "evil" as Hey describes her. Maybe if I would do a 4th harmonic, then we could see what is lurking beneath those nice trines and sextiles of the bad girl???

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Hi starlink!

Thanks for raising the harmonic topic!

Just a quick primer from Auntie Waybread. Ahem...

Basically harmonics and aspects are different ways of saying the same thing. The 4th harmonic includes squares and oppositions. The 3rd harmonic is the trines. The 2nd harmonic is oppositions only. The 7th harmonic is the septile, or 360/7 aspect. Obviously any pair of planets have some number of degrees of separation between them: some are named (360/20 is the "vigintile") but some are not (like 360/28). Narrow orbs are essential.

By the way "H" generally means "harmonic" by people who work with them, not "house."

So a square in the 4th harmonic chart should mean 360/16, or the 16H Since it is part of the "two-series" it should be somewhat stressful.

I personally have trouble reading harmonic charts. So I just take the aspect read off the harmonic chart and apply it back to the natal chart to see how it works. For example, 360/9 or "novile" should be a mildly fortunate aspect because it is part of a 3-series. If you find two planets in a birth chart that are 40 degrees apart (120/3) then you could read it as a novile (9H).

One aspect/harmonic that might be worth considering in the chart of a difficult person is the 11-series, or 360/11. This is supposed to be Uranian and disruptive. An opposition in the 11H chart should be stressful because it combines a 2-series with the 11 (the 22H). A square in the 11H chart (or 44H) should combine the energies of the square and the 11, making for a lot of stress.

This is kind of how it works!
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Just some info on Harminic charts.
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The Harmonic Charts Of Jyotish, Vedic Astrology
written by Jai Maharaj
Harmonics have always been considered of great importance in Vedic astrology. For example, the ninth harmonic chart, the Navaunsh Varg: (some people write it as "Navamsa"), is very significant in relation to the Moon. This chart is always kept alongside the main Rashi chart when an interpretive report is being written. One derives from it the latent factors operative throughout a person's own and married life.
Ancient sage-scientists determined the relationships between planetary `harmonics' and human affairs and their causative factors. Practitioners of traditional astrology draw from these empirical data, available in the form of Sanskrit verses, in service to their clients.
The modern urge to satisfy the curiosity about the how's and why's of natural laws is often considered a necessity by some. To them, a science is a science only if it can gain entrance through their self-defined gates of intellect. This is one of the chief limiting factors responsible for the current disasters modern science has wrought on mankind, creating more problems than it attempts to solve.
Dr. Percy Seymour, a professor of astronomy in Plymouth, U.K. has his own way of explaining why `harmonics' work. According to him, the Navaunsh chart of Vedic astrology works, for instance, because of the magnetic field of the Moon. Basically, the magnetic field of Earth is reflecting how the planets are moving around the Sun and even how the Earth is moving around the Sun. So, Earth's magnetic field is resonating. Added to this, as the Moon goes around the Earth it affects the tides not only in the ocean but also in the magnetosphere. These have higher-order harmonics and Dr. Seymour's idea of all these tunes being played by the planets on the magnetic field of the Earth naturally gives rise to harmonics.
Percy Seymour then attempts to establish a connection between our electric-current based nervous system and the harmonic fluctuations in the geomagnetic field. So, the complex tunes played by the planets in our magnetic environment affect each one of us in a unique manner -- as if we don't always listen to the whole symphony but only respond to certain melodies. According to Seymour, the way we listen to the selected portions depends on our genetic peculiarities which are themselves related to the harmonics created by the planetary orchestra. Hence, predictions of how we may respond to future planetary positions are possible.
These Varg:, or charts, have been continuously used in Vedic astrology for millennia. The list contains the most commonly used ones of all with a brief note about their application:
Division Used for Determining
Natal Rashi: 1 Overall considerations
Hora (from the Sanskrit
word Ahoratr): 1/2 Personality; wealth, etc.
Drekkan: 1/3 Relationship with siblings
Chaturthaunsh: 1/4 Fixed property, assets, fortune
Saptaunsh: 1/7 Children, extended progeny
Navaunsh: 1/9 Latent Karmic details, marriage
Dashaunsh: 1/10 Power, heroism, career, etc.
Dwadashaunsh: 1/12 Parental, grand-parental factors
Shodashaunsh: 1/16 Means of travel, etc.
Vimshaunsh: 1/20 Karmic seeding, spiritual actions
Chaturvimshaunsh: 1/24 Intellectual pursuits, education
Saptavimshaunsh: 1/27 Special, variable hidden powers
Trimshaunsh: 1/30 Mainly used for females
Swavedaunsh: 1/40 Various attainments
Akshavedaunsh: 1/45 Various achievements
Shashtyaunsh: 1/60 All levels of human activity
Nadi: 1/150 Extremely refined characteristics
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Goodness Waybread, ahum indeed, but this time for me because I really have to go over this one again to fully grasp the meaning of it all. I think I do have a book about harmonics (from David Hamblin, "Harmonic Charts") somewhere hanging around, never really read it but I think I will dive a bit into it.
Thank you anyways for writing it all down for me, very helpful indeed.
Do you think we could find more "evil" LOL in that Bad girl's chart? I am still quite surprised that she seemingly is really horrific. Most interesting case really!
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OH, and another answer with more info!! Thanks to you as well Tsquare!! I think I will print both of your answers out, then settle down somewhere quiet to ponder the whole lot!
Lots to read!
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Your wife's having a baby?! Congratulations!

Or perhaps I'm just getting overexcited and jumping to conclusions again...sorry about that :roll:

Anyway, I've heard it said numerous times that parents are able to intuitively choose the perfect name for their children, one which best resonates with this soul's energy. I think this is fascinating, since it is nearly impossible for those but the most gifted psychics to communicate with their unborn children and know exactly who this soul is--at least on a conscious level. But intuition is not limited to the linear constraints of our 3-D world...it surpasses all boundaries, since none really exist!



Wow, I can't believe all of these sychronicities...especially having my 74th harmonic chart Ascendant at the first degree of Pisces (spirituality)! Thanks again, Radu!

EDIT: I believe it took me less then a minute after posting this message to think of yet another question. Would there be any interesting effects by taking the sum of your full name and applying that harmonic to your natal chart? I'm incredibly curious to see how all of this may fit together...

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Radu, do you know of any good books or websites about harmonics? I'm particularly interested in the grand trines that manifest in almost all of my first nine harmonic charts and the prominant Kite formation in my 7th and 10th...thanks! :mrgreen:
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If you want to read harmonic charts, try Harding and Harvey, Working with Astrology, and David Hamblin, Harmonic Charts. You can probably find them via an Internet used book seller like amazon.com or abebooks.

Basically you have to grasp the meaning of the harmonic chart itself--the 7H, 9H, or whatever. Conjunctions indicate the aspect in question, unless there is also a close conjunction in the radix chart. Other aspects suggest whether that harmonic energy flows smoothly or with difficulty; and which planets might be especially important in its interpretation.
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Originally, harmonics were only used as a means of easily identifying minor aspects that were hard to see in the natal chart...So, the signs/houses of the harmonic chart were considered to be meaningless and the planets are interpreted in the context of their natal chart relationships... http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/harmonics32.1.html

However, (I think) there is now a branch of Harmonic Astrology that treats the Harmonic Chart as revealing detailed insights to to the the same numbered zodiac house (ie. 5th Harmonic Chart = 5th house)....And this branch regards the signs & houses of the harmonic chart as meaningful, with the chart being interpreted in the same way as a normal natal chart (but relating specifically to 5th house activities)... http://www.newage-directory.com/harmonic.htm

Two approaches to the interpretation of harmonic charts that are very different...which has led to confusion between them on AW in the past.

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However, (I think) there is now a branch of Harmonic Astrology that treats the Harmonic Chart as revealing detailed insights to to the the same numbered zodiac house (ie. 5th Harmonic Chart = 5th house)....And this branch regards the signs & houses of the harmonic chart as meaningful, with the chart being interpreted in the same way as a normal natal chart (but relating specifically to 5th house activities)... http://www.newage-directory.com/harmonic.htm

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EJ, I've read a fair bit about harmonic charts, but this is the only source I've seen that links harmonic numbers with houses!!! Harmonic chart research in modern astrology goes back to John Addey, and actually Vedic astrology has a long history of harmonic chart interpretation. See the books by Harding and Harvey, and David Hamblin cited above.

Rather than linking harmonic charts to house numbers, the usual way is to understand harmonics as just a different way of expressing aspects.
1H: the radix chart, conjunctions
2H: the opposition (360/2)
3H: the trine (360/3)
4H: the square (360/4, &c)
5H: quintiles (talent, initiative, "the number of man")
6H: sextiles
7H: septiles (inspiration, oftentimes the discipline to manifest it)
8H: semi- and sesqui-squares, as well as the 2H and 4H aspects
9H: novile (what gives delight, also a number of initiation)

When you get beyond these numbers, you are often dealing with compound numbers. For example, the 10H combines the 2-series (tension) with the 5-series (talent, ambition).
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EJ, I've read a fair bit about harmonic charts, but this is the only source I've seen that links harmonic numbers with houses!!! Harmonic chart research in modern astrology goes back to John Addey, and actually Vedic astrology has a long history of harmonic chart interpretation. See the books by Harding and Harvey, and David Hamblin cited above.
I know, Way......and (like most astrologers aged 40+) I view harmonic charts as you do...

...But, (I believe) younger astrologers see it differently...so, we need to be aware that not everyone is singing from the same hymnbook when referring to the interpretation of harmonic charts...Hence (for example), the confusion on the following thread :-

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...light=Harmonic

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I noticed in my natal chart's 90th harmonic both a hexagram and a pentagram:

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Does anyone have any more ideas or info on 11th harmonic charts? What I've found so far has not been very clear...
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I don't think a lot has been written on it. Supposedly it is a kind of Uranian, disruptive energy, but whether that's based on an assumed link between Uranus-11th house-Aquarius or actual research, I can't say.

The late comedian George Carlin had a very sarcastic, anti-status quo wit. Here is his 11th harmonic chart. Conjunctions in a harmonic chart--unless they were close conjunctions in the natal chart--indicate that the individual has the harmonic (aspect) in question.
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Now that I have somewhat recovered, another question has presented itself to my consciousness--what is the relationship, if any, between numerology and astrology? I have observed that harmonics seem to express the characteristics or influence of the number from which they are derived, but I suppose a more in-depth analyze would be needed to verify this idea.

Also, there are many different core numbers in astrology, such as one's lifepath number (9), destiny number (22), soul urge (1*), inner dreams (3*), and of course the date of birth (5). Would these core numbers be reflected by astrological harmonic charts?

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I really do think that the numbers of your birthdate and your name have a strong correlation to powerful harmonics in your natal chart.

I played around with this concept for a long time and eventually wrote an article about it here: http://aliceportman.com/?p=164 using President Obama's birthdate numbers and his natal chart and here: http://aliceportman.com/?p=248 using Prince Charles.

Both these articles only cover the birthdays and birthdate totals, but I have found name numbers are just as powerful.

I have run workshops on this concept using the charts of the Royal Family.

and, as Radu mentions, the full numbers of the birthdate and name can be used as these harmonics are extremely powerful.

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Does anyone have any more ideas or info on 11th harmonic charts? What I've found so far has not been very clear...
The Axial Harmonics site has some really excellent work on the different harmonics. You can access it here: http://harmonics.50megs.com/Introduction.html

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Seems like the Greco/Roman astrologers also had a kind of "harmonics" in their application of the dodekatemorion principle, ie, every planet or other horoscopic point was delineated not only in its "place" but also in the "place" where its dodek falls: the dominant dodek method was the Egyptian, where the original place of planet, Lot or other horoscopic point was multiplied by 12 to find its dodek (apparently, its 12th harmonic) Paulus of Alexandria used a mulitplier of 13 to find the dodek (a 13h harmonic), and I have made most use of the Pauline dodek for these investigations...
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Seems like the Greco/Roman astrologers also had a kind of "harmonics" in their application of the dodekatemorion principle, ie, every planet or other horoscopic point was delineated not only in its "place" but also in the "place" where its dodek falls: the dominant dodek method was the Egyptian, where the original place of planet, Lot or other horoscopic point was multiplied by 12 to find its dodek (apparently, its 12th harmonic) Paulus of Alexandria used a mulitplier of 13 to find the dodek (a 13h harmonic), and I have made most use of the Pauline dodek for these investigations...
Yes, ancient astrologers in both the western and vedic traditions seemed to have quite extensively used harmonics.

I was enthralled to read on the Chris Brennan forum that astrologers in the far past were also working with duad degrees they were calculating them by hand - at least, before Solar Fire made the facility available, I had a calculator to help me.

There really is nothing new under the sun. I thought I had discovered duad degrees, but what I seem to have done is re-discover this technique. Now we have programs that can quickly calculate them it is much easier to see how powerful they are in genetic astrology, birth timing etc.

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Yes, ancient astrologers in both the western and vedic traditions seemed to have quite extensively used harmonics. I was enthralled to read on the Chris Brennan forum that astrologers in the far past were also working with duad degrees they were calculating them by hand - at least, before Solar Fire made the facility available, I had a calculator to help me. There really is nothing new under the sun. I thought I had discovered duad degrees, but what I seem to have done is re-discover this technique. Now we have programs that can quickly calculate them it is much easier to see how powerful they are in genetic astrology, birth timing etc. Alice
link to an article on the over two thousand year old dwad technique http://www.astrologysoftware.com/res...cle.asp?ID=165 aka dodecatemories that makes interesting reading!
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Actually the author of the article in the above link, is applying Porphyry's "dodecatemory of the Moon" technique, to other planets in addition to the Moon (this technique is not that of Manilius-which historical fact is made clear by the translators of Manilius "Astronomica": regardless of this, however, this specific dodecatemory technique was an important one in Greco/Roman astrology, and seems to have been first elaborated -or at least first described in the remaining extant literature of the time-by Porphyry)
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Thought I would add some clarifications about the words "dodekatemorion", "duodenary", "duad/dwad", "dodecatemory"-because a good deal of confusion exists about what these strange words refer to, which often leads to the same term being applied to different things!

-First: "dodekatemorion" (sometimes "dodekatemoria" is used)
This term has 2 meanings, both actually being correct

:Meaning #1: sign 1/12ths, ie, 2.5 degree areas of a sign, each sign having 12 such divisions (this is the meaning of the Vedic word "dwadashama" as well, and is also the most common meaning of the term "dwad")

: Meaning #2: a TECHNIQUE for determining the "ramification place" of a planet or other horoscopic element: there are two forms of this technique

Form #1 (known as Egyptian dodekatemorion; its the most commonly followed of these techniques): multiply the place of the planet or other horoscopic point by 12; starting with the original sign placement of the panet or other horoscopic point, subtract 30 degrees from the result until you cannot subtract by 30 any more: what is leftover is the degree placement-the "dodek"=of the planet or other horoscopic point

Form #2 (known as Pauline dodekatemorion; rarely practiced over the past 1200 years): multiply the place of the planet or other horoscopic point by 13, and then proceed exactly as in Form #1 to find the "dodek" (notice that although a multiplier factor of 13 is used it is still referred to as "dodekatemorion", even though that word correctly refers to something to do with "twelves")



Next: "duodenary", "duodenaries" (plural)

This term has the same meaning as Meaning #1 under "dodekatemorion", ie, the 1/12th area of a sign (and therefore is synonymous with the terms "dwad" and "dwadashama")


Next: "duad", "duads" (plural)
Can have 2 meanings:

Meaning #1: same as duodenary, dwad, ie, the 1/12th area of a sign

Meaning #2: same as Meaning #2 for "dodekatemorion", above, ie, reference to the point found by application of either Egyptian or (rarely) Pauline dodekatemorion techniques, as described above



Finally, "dodecatemory", "dodecatemories" (plural)
This refers to an entirely different TECHNIQUE than either Egyptian or Pauline dodekatemorion, and is also a different concept than that of sign 1/12ths; this technique was widely used in Greco/Roman astrology, mostly in reference to finding the "dodecatemory of the Moon", and was described by Porphyry in the 3rd century AD; this distinct technique is outlined in the introduction to Manilius "Astronomica", and, applied to planets other than the Moon, is outlined in the reference link given by JUPITERASC in an earlier post to this thread.
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Thought I would add some clarifications about the words "dodekatemorion", "duodenary", "duad/dwad", "dodecatemory"-because a good deal of confusion exists about what these strange words refer to, which often leads to the same term being applied to different things!

-First: "dodekatemorion" (sometimes "dodekatemoria" is used)
This term has 2 meanings, both actually being correct

:Meaning #1: sign 1/12ths, ie, 2.5 degree areas of a sign, each sign having 12 such divisions (this is the meaning of the Vedic word "dwadashama" as well, and is also the most common meaning of the term "dwad")

: Meaning #2: a TECHNIQUE for determining the "ramification place" of a planet or other horoscopic element: there are two forms of this technique

Form #1 (known as Egyptian dodekatemorion; its the most commonly followed of these techniques): multiply the place of the planet or other horoscopic point by 12; starting with the original sign placement of the panet or other horoscopic point, subtract 30 degrees from the result until you cannot subtract by 30 any more: what is leftover is the degree placement-the "dodek"=of the planet or other horoscopic point

Form #2 (known as Pauline dodekatemorion; rarely practiced over the past 1200 years): multiply the place of the planet or other horoscopic point by 13, and then proceed exactly as in Form #1 to find the "dodek" (notice that although a multiplier factor of 13 is used it is still referred to as "dodekatemorion", even though that word correctly refers to something to do with "twelves")

Next: "duodenary", "duodenaries" (plural) This term has the same meaning as Meaning #1 under "dodekatemorion", ie, the 1/12th area of a sign (and therefore is synonymous with the terms "dwad" and "dwadashama")

Next: "duad", "duads" (plural) Can have 2 meanings:

Meaning #1: same as duodenary, dwad, ie, the 1/12th area of a sign

Meaning #2: same as Meaning #2 for "dodekatemorion", above, ie, reference to the point found by application of either Egyptian or (rarely) Pauline dodekatemorion techniques, as described above

Finally, "dodecatemory", "dodecatemories" (plural)
This refers to an entirely different TECHNIQUE than either Egyptian or Pauline dodekatemorion, and is also a different concept than that of sign 1/12ths; this technique was widely used in Greco/Roman astrology, mostly in reference to finding the "dodecatemory of the Moon", and was described by Porphyry in the 3rd century AD; this distinct technique is outlined in the introduction to Manilius "Astronomica", and, applied to planets other than the Moon, is outlined in the reference link given by JUPITERASC in an earlier post to this thread.
Thank you very much dr. farr – as ever you have thoughtfully provided expert clarification on this matter With reference to the root meanings of the word 'duad' here is an interesting note from the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
duad
n.
A unit of two objects; a pair.
[Greek duas, duad-, two, from duo; see dwo- in Indo-European roots.]

and from Collins English Dictionary:
duad
n
a rare word for pair
[from Greek duas two, a pair]

and an online Thesaurus of Synonyms and Related Words states
Noun
duad - two items of the same kind
for which the following synonyms or related words are provided: couplet, distich, duet, duo, dyad, twain, twosome, brace, pair, span, yoke, couple, fellow, mate - one of a pair; "he lost the mate to his shoe"; "one eye was blue but its fellow was brown"
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The Axial Harmonics site has some really excellent work on the different harmonics. You can access it here: http://harmonics.50megs.com/Introduction.html

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Wow, I'll say. Some deep stuff in there. Thanks for that.

At the risk of cross-posting—I'm still finding my way around the fora, so please forgive me if this steps on any toes—I asked this question and posted this graphic in another thread here where some of you were discussing the Yod. Maybe a mod can move this to a more appropriate spot, if this isn't it either?

Anyway, I found this in my 4th harmonic chart. I'm inclined to think it's Chiron (my "wounded healer" and, according to the Magi, my romance significator) and Juno (my long-term relationship significator) ganging up on Mercury (communications) to force me to do something that doesn't really come naturally to me regarding my relations with the fairer gender. Am I way off the mark?

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The Axial Harmonics site has some really excellent work on the different harmonics. You can access it here: http://harmonics.50megs.com/Introduction.html

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Thanks for posting this link, interesting stuff and a new perspective!
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Although I tried to (temporarily) stuff my Virgo South Node in a burlap sack, it found a clever way of escaping and urged me to create this new board about harmonics instead of risking off-topic posting.

This question is for Radu, starting from where the 11:11 Phenonemon Board left off:



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I would be extremely interested to find out if there are any connections to numerology and astrology.

What I would like to see is a chart comparison between Hitler and Romney, being they are a mirrored match using forward/reverse numerology.

Hitler = 72/90
Romney = 90/72

I have this feeling that Romney is here to complete the 3rd world war.

Obama's numbers are as cold as they get, no interesting matches using any of his names.

Ray Mabus has very hot numbers, as does Putin.

It would be interesting to see the astrology between these two men:

Raymond Mabus = 146/178
Sergei Ivanov = 146/178 (former Minister of Defense, and current Chief of Staff in Russia)

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Speaking of Mabus, what has really surprised the heck out of me is how everybody completely missed the solid Nostradamus hit about July 1999, and the rise of Hu Jintao, when he was given the task of persecuting Falun Gong in China. Falun Gong (Law Wheel Practice) people are being used for medical experiments in China, reminiscent of WWII atrocities. Jintao is a f*cking monster.
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