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It's ok to 'figure it out' for 60 seconds, 60 minutes, 60 weeks, 60 months or even 60 years - there are no rules as to how long anyone wants to take to learn the subject

Although obviously if one needs or wants to have paying customers then its obviously best to master the subject well before 60 years have passed!!

However, it's a good recommendation for astrology that people find the subject so interesting that they have actually studied it for 60 years!!


That's their opinion of course and they are entitled to that... after all to a beginner, someone who has been learning astrology for a year would seem amazingly expert!!

And I have noticed though that many of the people on this forum who frequently say they are still finding out new things on astrology are in fact already pretty well informed on the subject - dr.farr for example


The OP then needs to clarify as to what 'beyond the 101' means then
Sure, whatever, I don't need things so precise to express a thought.

I think I made my point... you want to get good, invest.

You want to fiddle a bit, knock yourself out.

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Sure, whatever, I don't need things so precise to express a thought.
Fortunately everyone is different, otherwise life could get dull.

btw precision is important with reference to astrology

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I think I made my point... you want to get good, invest. You want to fiddle a bit, knock yourself out.
Invest time
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books: these people have intimate one to one experience and generally have been studying for more than a few years. downsides are: too pop orientated to make money, one sided view (their natal), the intepretations are incommunicable for all situations. tedious and long winded.

its important to read your moon phase book or more pedantic topics as well. the moon is top 2 and people often miss how the phase alters the orientation.

online webpages: can range from very weak to precise but too general. it is hard for them to spell out any situation. its up to you to recreate and extend the direction. intepretations are too short and superficial at times.

forums: many different views and factors not possible in either books or webpages. intepretations are usually not full range and maybe filled with fragmented jargon.

youtube videos: usually good presentations of signs and houses if several are looked at. they concentrate on solar house which are speaking for all sun signs of that. good amount of technical content also available.

self-knowledge: this is important, but at first its too easy to lack proportion and project things. can learn the real intricacies of the self here then tell others.

real life or real life representations: you have to anchor it in actual situations that you've experienced. notice how every music video is an astrological archetype. think inside the consciousness of astrology.

signs are modes of consciousness tauruses think in everyday type practical situations and quietly contemplate in a semi negative fashion to make sure that its an appropriate movement. make sure you get astrology from all the views of the zodiac.
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[COLOR=Navy][B]Fortunately everyone is different
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....I am wondering if you feel that this forum is really helpful in improving your skills synthesizing charts, or is it mostly entertainment and escape, which of course has all of its validity?
That would depend on individual personal experience
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Re: How to graduate from Astrology 101

As far as interpretative precision is concerned, Moog is amazing! She's the only person who's interacted with me on this forum who pinpointed to me things to my sidereal chart that were consistently spot-on! I mean everything, no "your father was either absent or over-attentive", or "your career is either in arts or advertising/banking", that type of wishy-washy information.

I think she has nothing to prove here.

As a result, I have purchased the two Vedic astrology books she highly recommended through an Indian friend. I am waiting to hone my skills when I'm there.
http://magneticmoon.tumblr.com/post/...ant-to-jyotish

Thank you Moog!

However, I think we can learn something from everybody. "Out of every three people who walk on the street, there's one from whom I can learn something from," thus said Confucius, one of the wisest man in Chinese history. I learned a lot about Western astrology through some forum members here, and I think they know who they are
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As far as interpretative precision is concerned, Moog is amazing! She's the only person who's interacted with me on this forum who pinpointed to me things to my sidereal chart that were consistently spot-on! I mean everything, no "your father was either absent or over-attentive", or "your career is either in arts or advertising/banking", that type of wishy-washy information.

I think she has nothing to prove here.


As a result, I have purchased the two Vedic astrology books she highly recommended through an Indian friend. I am waiting to hone my skills when I'm there.
http://magneticmoon.tumblr.com/post/...ant-to-jyotish

Thank you Moog!
Great news FarEastUranus!! And well done to Moog
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However, I think we can learn something from everybody. "Out of every three people who walk on the street, there's one from whom I can learn something from," thus said Confucius, one of the wisest man in Chinese history. I learned a lot about Western astrology through some forum members here, and I think they know who they are
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As far as interpretative precision is concerned, Moog is amazing! She's the only person who's interacted with me on this forum who pinpointed to me things to my sidereal chart that were consistently spot-on! I mean everything, no "your father was either absent or over-attentive", or "your career is either in arts or advertising/banking", that type of wishy-washy information.
Thanks.

One day, when I really know what I'm doing, I hope I'll be able to do an even better job.

I'd also recommend Vault of the Heavens by Ernst Wilhelm. Been reading this one. It's got a lot in it.
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Re: How to graduate from Astrology 101

I've been at this a long time, and still feel like I'm just scratching the surface.

It helps to really apply what you know to charts that you have for people that you already know stuff about. Then you get to see how it all works.

It helps to explore specific techniques and mathematical centered astrology, and not just intuition. Intuition is great, but you shouldn't need it for astrology. (It helps us when we don't understand the specifics fully. Yet it can make astrology more like reading Tarot.)

Understand the basics. Think about how the lord of one house might influence another house by being in that house.

Example, what would you imagine the lord of the 8th (death, transformation, etc.) might mean tenanting the 3rd house (of siblings)? Be sure to look for confluence. The more something is indicated the more certain you can be that it will occur.

Find a system you truly resonate with. Read all you can about it. Apply what you learn to as many charts as you have. Keep on studying.

Find a teacher that you resonate with, and go through charts with that teacher. Having an objective guide can be invaluable.

Moog's advice is also very good!
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There's a new basic course on Hellenistic Natal Astrology http://www.projecthindsight.com/
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Re: How to graduate from Astrology 101

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The advanced folks here:

I am wondering if you feel that this forum is really helpful in improving your skills synthesizing charts, or is it mostly entertainment and escape, which of course has all of its validity?

Once we understand the basics of signs, houses, aspects, the Astrology 101 stuff, what I find the most difficult is to discern patterns and synthesize the bits and pieces into a coherent story that really resonate with the native's deepest concerns.

Besides it being a skill and a talent, a calling and a gift, what made you progress the most as an astrologer? What made you break through to advanced level? What were the "aha" moments?

Please share your most memorable experiences here so that we can learn from you!
As an astrologer for 30 years I can say that you need to analyse as many charts as you can. Celebrities and the well known is a good idea and of course a thorough knowledge of astrological principles to use. I use only major planets and major aspects and concentrate on the moons nodes as well. The fixed stars and asteroids are not valid in my opinion and now Pluto is out of the equation as well. You need to know your own chart backwards before you can even begin to analyse others.

Keep it as simple as possible and concentrate on major aspects only.
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Astrologers use varying techniques, some modern, some ancient, some traditional
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Being a Traditional Astrologer, I start with the Sect Ruler.

Granted, that doctrine is messed up because of poor understanding and mistranslations over the centuries,

but if you pick the Light of the Sect as Sect Ruler, then you have a 1-in-4 to 1-in-3 chance of being right.

You can increase the odds by eliminating Planets that are not in-Sect.

The Sect Ruler determines the Native's overall health and vitality, their resistance to diseases and illnesses, the chances of accidents and injuries, and the ability to recover for illness/disease, or injuries, and how fast that recovery takes place.

Everyone delineates charts differently,

I used to go House-to-House,

but now go Planet-to-Planet,

but starting with the 1st Sign, you'd delineate the Native's general physical appearance....
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...and some are mongrels, who mix and match concepts and methods from all approaches: like me!
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...and some are mongrels, who mix and match concepts and methods from all approaches: like me!
I have a new title for myself: Eccentric Modern Astrologer

I thought of Eclectic, but I'm really more out of center than off center.
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But how do we learn to synthesize?
Hi FarEastUranus. If you are still involved in this thread, then sorry I didn't notice this until the thread was resurrected recently.

I think that the idea of the astrological alphabet is very useful, because it makes it easier to spot themes in the chart. For example, if someone has Mars rising and two planets in Aries, then this is an emphasis on the '1st letter' - if they also have Sun conjunct Jupiter and a few planets in the 9th house, then they also have an emphasis on the 9th letter. So immediately you know that this person is a crusader at heart, because this is something that the signs of Aries and Sagittarius have in common.

Or if someone has an emphasis on both the 8th and 10th letters, then self-determination is going to be an issue, because finding a balanced approach to this issue is part of the Scorpio path and also the Capricorn path.
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...and some are mongrels, who mix and match concepts and methods from all approaches: like me!
And your methods and posts are very interesting dr, farr as well as most instructive
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I have a new title for myself: Eccentric Modern Astrologer

I thought of Eclectic, but I'm really more out of center than off center.
Clearly then, 'graduating from Astrology 101' - which is the idea your thread title encourages us to explore FarEast Uranus - involves a wide variety of the many forms of astrology - including Vedic, Western, Modern, Traditional, Western Sidereal, Vedic Tropical, Hellenistic, Uranian - the list is endless

Much research is required
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I almost think the ability to synthesize is an inborn ability, or perhaps one that comes more naturally to some people than others. Engineers, for example, are described as having "tunnel vision." This is great for focusing on an immediate problem to be solved; maybe less helpful for seeing the problem in its social and environmental context.

Some professions that demand a more panoramic ability to synthesize a lot of disparate information would be producing or directing a play or film, urban planning, administration of a complex organization, or being an elected official.

I agree with Miquar's "letters" (which I call "chords") where you find them. Look for patterns. Also, start with the Big Three: sun, moon, ascendant. Get a grasp of these, then see how the other planets in aspect support or challenge their basic expression.
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...and some are mongrels, who mix and match concepts and methods from all approaches: like me!
I like to stir and mix them all up. Is good for you like salad! And find my own recipe for dressing.
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I almost think the ability to synthesize is an inborn ability, or perhaps one that comes more naturally to some people than others.
Until recently it was believed that virtuosity in a musical instrument came entire in your DNA. But recent research has shown that its related strictly to the amount of practice that the individual has on the instrument. Those who spend more than 10,000 house in practice by the time they are 18 are headed for virtuosity. This amounts to about almost 3 hours a day every day of practice from the time the child is 8 years old.

So I suspect that synthesis in astrology is simply a matter of how much time a day you spend studying both the fundamentals and the eccentricities of astrology. And also how much time you spend in trying to integrate the astrology you learn into a new way of viewing it that follows your study---which is integration.
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There may be differences between playing an instrument and weaving together symbols. Playing a musical instrument is largely a matter of manual dexterity and of training the ear to hear subtle differences in sound. The notes or chords must be played with a sense of phrasing, but they are played one at a time in set order. (jazz improvisation does leave scope for coming up with ideas based on a set chord structure, however)

Also there could be genetic indicators of having the inclination and stamina for that kind of dedication.

I'm not saying that the ability to synthesize is or isn't inborn - it could be one of those 'nature plus nurture' things, but where we have to nurture the skill ourselves as adults ( although synthesizing skills in general can be taught to children, and even astrology.
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Reading astrology texts is important

However, that may well prove expensive

- so the online FREE TEXTS ON THE WEB STUDY LIBRARY at
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/texts.html is well worth the browsing time
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Reading astrology texts is important

However, that may well prove expensive

- so the online FREE TEXTS ON THE WEB STUDY LIBRARY at
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/texts.html is well worth the browsing time
Yes its expensive. But its not more expensive than any other kind of education. In fact its way less expensive. I could buy all the library I would need for a couple of thousand of dollars. I sure can't buy a Master's degree for that, and a doctorate would exceed that by an enormous amount. Many universites charge about $1000 for a three credit course. A masters is about $40,000; a PhD would exceed $100,000. You can find cheaper of course.
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I guess you guys have no idea how expensive women's fashion are, simple regular daily skin care, make-up, clothes, shoes, handbag, perfume, even a haircut. Any of this single cost can buy me a few books.
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I guess you guys have no idea how expensive women's fashion are, simple regular daily skin care, make-up, clothes, shoes, handbag, perfume, even a haircut. Any of this single cost can buy me a few books.
NOPE! You are right about that one. But you forgot the shoes. My wife has 75 pairs of shoes. I have four, and only two of those do I wear with any regularity.
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NOPE! You are right about that one. But you forgot the shoes. My wife has 75 pairs of shoes. I have four, and only two of those do I wear with any regularity.
Nope I did include the SHOES! Oh well to me with Mercury and Sun in 3rd house, being a Virgo ascendant with Gemini MC with Uranus at IC. I love books AND technology. And of course, I love all the fancy womanly things, Venus square Neptune, trine Moon.

Luckily I don't smoke and not often drink, so I never wasted money on alcohol or cigarette. 2 packs of cigarette can get me a book and paid the delivery fee as well.
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