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Pada distances are used for a variety of reasons, not to determine critical times as such.

Dasa periods are used for general predictive purposes involving all areas of life during a given period of time, they are not used exclusively (or, indeed, even primarily) for longevity or critical-time estimations.

Navamsha (navamsa) is the 1/9th division of a sign, ie, a 3degree20minute arc of a given sign; it is a "varga" (sign division)
1) how do you use pada distances (involving saturn, ascendant, south node, part of death) to identify critical times?

2) how do you use dasa periods and sub periods to identify critical times and longevity(not exclusively)? thanks

anoop.indirapuramghazibad, do you identify critical times with that? thanks

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1) how do you use pada distances (involving saturn, ascendant, south node, part of death) to identify critical times?

2) how do you use dasa periods and sub periods to identify critical times and longevity(not exclusively)? thanks


These questions would be answered in the Vedic astrology books I have recommended for your study in an earlier post of mine.
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1) how do you use pada distances (involving saturn, ascendant, south node, part of death) to identify critical times?

2) how do you use dasa periods and sub periods to identify critical times and longevity(not exclusively)? thanks

anoop.indirapuramghazibad, do you identify critical times with that? thanks
Depends on dasha, lord of house (Dasha lord), Anterdasha and Lord of AD, distance from MD, relationship with MD and AD Friend or enemy, Takal Maitry etc. Their strength in chart will guide us, Positives or negatives of the chart.
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1. Promises of Birth Chart
2. To deliver the results Dasha and then Transit Planets
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These questions would be answered in the Vedic astrology books I have recommended for your study in an earlier post of mine.
i couldn't find most of the books in my city, and i don't use credit cards to purchase online.

could you please explain these two methods?

1) how do you use pada distances (involving saturn, ascendant, south node, part of death) to identify critical times?

2) how do you use dasa periods and sub periods to identify critical times and longevity(not exclusively)? thanks
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dr. farr, i also read that you use tropical signs for vedic astrology. do you also use tropical signs for these methods?
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dr. farr, i also read that you use tropical signs for vedic astrology. do you also use tropical signs for these methods?
Yes-I always use the Tropical unless someone specifically requests me to look only at the sidereal chart; in my opinion the Tropical zodiac gives best results whether for Western or Vedic methods and techniques.
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hello!!!

i'd like to know if the combination sun in 8th and saturn in 1st(ASC) in natal chart can be an important indication of an early death.

thanks in advance...
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With just this specific data, and based upon my studies in the matter, the answer is NO....
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Why people are so obsessed about predicting death? Spending all these time to predict but forgot how live a life happily? By the time you successfully predicted your own death, death itself is knocking at your door. You think that death is not coming fast enough? Don't take death too lightly... You should pay more attention on how to live your life with good moral and concern about what may happen after death!

There is only one single thing good about predicting death which is knowing you don't have much time to tell the people that you love how much you love them.... If you know when you will die then you can use your time wisely. But wasting time to predict is just simply WASTING time.

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Why people are so obsessed about predicting death? Spending all these time to predict but forgot how live a life happily? By the time you successfully predicted your own death, death itself is knocking at your door. You think that death is not coming fast enough? Don't take death too lightly... You should pay more attention on how to live your life with good moral and concern about what may happen after death!
IMO we all differ poyi and there are those such as dr. farr who are interested in assessing the "Life Force" in order to assist the person with supportive measures at these critical times of their lives.
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There is only one single thing good about predicting death which is knowing you don't have much time to tell the people that you love how much you love them.... If you know when you will die then you can use your time wisely. But wasting time to predict is just simply WASTING time.
IMO dr. farr has highlighted the importance of these techniques in SUPPORTING the native at critical times during the life
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Why people are so obsessed about predicting death? Spending all these time to predict but forgot how live a life happily?
An interest in predicting death does not necessarily mean that one cannot also live a happy life. It might even help. Buddhist practices are full of meditations on death, and in my experience they lead to a greater awareness that life is precious and to be used well.

You could argue that any of us could be 'living a happy life' rather than bothering with astrology to learn anything. Why not go to a monster truck rally or something life affirming and fun like that instead.
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An interest in predicting death does not necessarily mean that one cannot also live a happy life. It might even help. Buddhist practices are full of meditations on death, and in my experience they lead to a greater awareness that life is precious and to be used well.

You could argue that any of us could be 'living a happy life' rather than bothering with astrology to learn anything. Why not go to a monster truck rally or something life affirming and fun like that instead.

I feel strongly about this topic because I saw my sister's son will have his Pluto opposite Sun perfected at his age of 5. Pluto is in his 4th house and Sun in his 10th house. Pluto is the focus point of a combination of square of Saturn in 1st and Jupiter and Uranus in 7th house. Saturn opposite Uranus will be perfected at the age of 2 years and 3 months. Saturn also opposite to Jupiter. Sigh...there are too many to mention and my sister's chart show similar suggestion. She has natal Libra Pluto in 3rd Sesquisquare Sun and inconjunct Jupiter both in 10th house. Transit Rahu/north node will conjunct her Pluto, sign of activation. Natal Rahu in 4th, this life obsession of family, Ketu/south node in 10th conjunct Jupiter and Venus. Venus conjunct Sun. Transit Pluto in my sister's 6th house...can say that as her husband's 12th house.
My point is this young boy will go through major change regarding to his family and this change will affect him for the rest of his life in many areas. See things like this is Painful....

I know if you have the ability to predict death is good in a way to achieve some form of enlightenment. But the price of knowing is not little....I can't confirm that it will be an early of his father; all I know is that you can never miss a major "Change" from Pluto.....

My natal Pluto at 0 Scorpio 11 and Sun 17 Scorpio 46. The distance between the 2 planets is approximate 17. Saturn conjunct both Pluto and Sun. At the age of 17, I had tried to commit suicide once. It was one of my lowest points in life.

I read my sister and her son's Chinese horoscope, CLEAR indications that her son will have more than 1 father and my sister will have more than 1 husband. With all these combined, I have been worrying for a long time. From a personal experience, even it is not confirmed but the suffering of knowing the possibility is here with me Right Now. Me and my sister gone through a lot because of our abusive parents. I have Mercury in 3rd house plus being in a Stellium, my sibling is very important to me. All I can tell her that is to treasure the time as a family right now with your husband and son. I can't be sure what will happen, it could be any other form of separation not necessarily death. But I know Pluto never miss, it will bring dramatic change to their household. At the moment, they are having happy family life. In that case, this change will only mean down hill....By his 2 years and 3 months old, there will be signs showing the actual outcome. My teacher only told me to observe his 2 years and 3 months old that is the time Saturn opposition with Uranus become perfected.

One of the temptations is, once you know how to predict death, you will predict the death of your family and love one of course including your own. Sometime, it is better not to know how to predict. On the other side, if you can endure this pain then go ahead to predict all deaths. You can use it to make sure you do and say all you needed before that person's death. But not everyone can use this knowledge wisely. Death tells us about our limitation. If you already know your limitations and weaknesses as a human being, you don't need to know the time of death to do the right things. My point is: Go to love the people that you suppose to love Right Now. It is not necessary to know time of death to reach enlightenment.

Anyway, everyone is different. You don't need to accept my opinion and suggestion.
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As I have stated before, the only value to knowing or approximating a critical time, is so that something CAN BE DONE about it, during that critical period of time; otherwise it is just idle and vain curiousity.....
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As I have stated before, the only value to knowing or approximating a critical time, is so that something CAN BE DONE about it, during that critical period of time; otherwise it is just idle and vain curiousity.....
I know...we all have curiosity. I am also a member of this Club.
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I feel strongly about this topic because I saw my sister's son will have his Pluto opposite Sun perfected at his age of 5. Pluto is in his 4th house and Sun in his 10th house. Pluto is the focus point of a combination of square of Saturn in 1st and Jupiter and Uranus in 7th house. Saturn opposite Uranus will be perfected at the age of 2 years and 3 months. Saturn also opposite to Jupiter. Sigh...there are too many to mention and my sister's chart show similar suggestion. She has natal Libra Pluto in 3rd Sesquisquare Sun and inconjunct Jupiter both in 10th house. Transit Rahu/north node will conjunct her Pluto, sign of activation. Natal Rahu in 4th, this life obsession of family, Ketu/south node in 10th conjunct Jupiter and Venus. Venus conjunct Sun. Transit Pluto in my sister's 6th house...can say that as her husband's 12th house.
My point is this young boy will go through major change regarding to his family and this change will affect him for the rest of his life in many areas. See things like this is Painful....
I'm sorry you had a tough time, I've had them too, and those experiences have shaped what I am now.

There is a lot of pain and suffering in most lives, whether we use astrology to map it and predict it, or not. I am prone to worrying about my family, my planet, myself.

Pluto would be doing what it does whether you had knowledge of it or not.

Suffering arising is opportunity to develop wisdom in how we deal with it. How do we deal with pain, fear, worry, anguish, loss and other forms of suffering?

Personally, I turn to the Buddhia first in these matters, not astrology.

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One of the temptations is, once you know how to predict death, you will predict the death of your family and love one of course including your own. Sometime, it is better not to know how to predict. On the other side, if you can endure this pain then go ahead to predict all deaths. You can use it to make sure you do and say all you needed before that person's death. But not everyone can use this knowledge wisely.
It sounds like you don't feel ready to cope with these things, but maybe you will feel differently one day. And that's fine, personal choice is a wonderful thing, and it would be wrong to remove that.

It seems to me that great swathes of people are not using any knowledge wisely... But I'm not the wisdom police or anything. Do you have a permit for using that knowledge?

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I have found astrology to be very useful for outlining my personal strengths and weaknesses in a way that has proved to be elusive to my pure reasoning and intuitive faculties unaided.

If you don't need astrology to get the most out of life, then why bother. No one needs it. I don't need meditation to exist, but it helps. If astrology adds nothing to your life, then I agree, just get on with living. I'm sure that people can live meaningful and satisfying lives without it.
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I'm sorry you had a tough time, I've had them too, and those experiences have shaped what I am now.

There is a lot of pain and suffering in most lives, whether we use astrology to map it and predict it, or not. I am prone to worrying about my family, my planet, myself.

Pluto would be doing what it does whether you had knowledge of it or not.

Suffering arising is opportunity to develop wisdom in how we deal with it. How do we deal with pain, fear, worry, anguish, loss and other forms of suffering?

Personally, I turn to the Buddhia first in these matters, not astrology.

It sounds like you don't feel ready to cope with these things, but maybe you will feel differently one day. And that's fine, personal choice is a wonderful thing, and it would be wrong to remove that.

It seems to me that great swathes of people are not using any knowledge wisely... But I'm not the wisdom police or anything. Do you have a permit for using that knowledge?

I have found astrology to be very useful for outlining my personal strengths and weaknesses in a way that has proved to be elusive to my pure reasoning and intuitive faculties unaided.

If you don't need astrology to get the most out of life, then why bother. No one needs it. I don't need meditation to exist, but it helps. If astrology adds nothing to your life, then I agree, just get on with living. I'm sure that people can live meaningful and satisfying lives without it.
Astrology and same as many occults had help me through a lot of things. Through studying all these, I came to the understanding that my abusive parents were only being who they are. Their maps were predestined. So as mine, I was born to be in that family. These are predestined facts.

You are right, astrology had help people in many different ways. That is why I say : Peace is knowing you and I are only Human.

We have no choice but accepting of who we are, can try to work out how to become a better person; but then even this path of becoming a better person is predestined. I should say, our soul/spirit has it own form which is already being shaped before birth or at time of birth.

We really have little control of our own life. When it happens, we can choose to view it differently but it Will happen anyway. I myself is learning how to accept death and by experiencing illnesses and deaths with my patients/their family had helped me a lot.

My pain here is not that I can't accept death. I suffer because of seeing my sister is still trying to learn. And her son is only less than 2 years old.

Pluto also brings dramatic transformation. I told my sister, "Doesn't matter what happen all these are predestined. If it is your son' fate to be born in this family, if he needed to go through the lost of a father or trauma of any kind in his early childhood, then all these are necessary to form his personality as a human being which is already written in his chart. Who are we to alter death or challenge our own destiny?"

I told my sister, because of our parents and our childhood, we became the person we are now. All these are necessary. If I didn't have those experiences, I will not be able to share this insight to you also. What happened in the past will always bring impacts (both negative and positive) in the future, such as now.

I know Pain can build and break a person. I know that personally and so does everyone. Astrology is a tool to link fragments of the memories to form a meaningful story.

In Chinese and Indian culture, predicting a person's death will bring unfortunate to the reader. It is a taboo, traditionally should be best to avoid. Because some time, people would try to escape or avoid death as soon as they found out...which is against his/her own destiny and purpose of this life; therefore is a Karma to read for others. Very rarely people would come to full acceptance, of course everyone is different.

I noticed those possibilities in my sister's son chart because they are very obvious and significant. At that time, I was simply studying Approaching and Separating aspects of the planets in his chart...because of curiosity, I went on confirming that against my sister's chart with transit....I wish I didn't dig deeper. Now, me and my sister will have to wait until the event confirm itself in another 3 years time. I would say, this waiting part is our Current Karma.
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Sigh.I feel strongly about this topic because I saw my sister's son will have his Pluto opposite Sun perfected at his age of 5.... Sigh.. My natal Pluto at 0 Scorpio 11 and Sun 17 Scorpio 46. The distance between the 2 planets is approximate 17. Saturn conjunct both Pluto and Sun. At the age of 17, I had tried to commit suicide once. It was one of my lowest points in life. I read my sister and her son's Chinese horoscope, CLEAR indications that her son will have more than 1 father and my sister will have more than 1 husband. With all these combined, I have been worrying for a long time.... At the moment, they are having happy family life. In that case, this change will only mean down hill....By his 2 years and 3 months old, there will be signs showing the actual outcome. My teacher only told me to observe his 2 years and 3 months old that is the time Saturn opposition with Uranus become perfected.
Let's put these matters in perspective poyi

Remove the Sun from our solar system and it would no longer BE a solar system... The definition 'solar system' reflects clearly the major importance of our Sun around which life on earth LITERALLY revolves. The Sun having gone, permanent extreme cold would make life on this planet impossible for the vast majority of species, including human beings. The Sun would no longer exert control on tidal ebb and flow (the Sun currently has some influence, as does the Moon).

The Moon, unable to reflect light from the now vanished Sun, would be invisible. Earth, along with Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn would have no object to orbit (of course, neither would the outer planets). The resulting 'chaos' may be imagined. IMO therefore, the central VITAL importance of the influence of the Sun is more than obvious BUT the same cannot be said for the distant planetoid aka dwarf star Pluto! Furthermore, regarding criticism of these traditional techniques currently under discussion on this thread, IMO it is time to draw attention to the frequently horrendously dire delineations made in relation to Pluto transits to natal charts.

Just two weeks ago, very worried mom fotto asked: “Worried about my child's Sun Square Pluto – Is She Doomed?” and here are the comments she posted
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Hello all, I have recently been to an astrologer and had my daughter's chart interpreted. She said pretty worrying things about her childhood. She is currently 2.5 years old and is a very warm, happy and social child who gets along with everyone. However according to her chart (Pluto and Saturn effects mainly as I've been told) she is supposed to be a very emotionally-reserved child, feeling constantly criticized, going through a really hard-time starting from school age and these will be all because of her father who will make her feel that way. My husband is a caring and involved father, also affectionate meaning does not have problems showing his love. He does have minor issues like everyone else but nothing described as being cold and unloving. I really do not understand.

I have been losing sleep over this and on top of this today I found out that my other child which is due this October (i am pregnant) also has this Sun Square Pluto aspect!

Are these aspects a doom on my children ?

I would really appreciate if you could take a look at the chart and give some insights. It will really be very appreciated. Thanks in advance for your time. awfully worried mom
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No, please don't believe that. I also have the same sun square pluto with a pretty wide 4* orb - there was some willfulness with authority - but I guess most of us went through that in our teenage years. So please don't worry about it. I get along perfectly well with both my parents.

And saturn sun conjunct only means that the person does not like show leadership or authority. That is all. Since there is a stellium of 4 planets in the 5th house this means that your daughter is very priented towards creativity, play, recreation, children etc. And with uranus's aspect she is likely to be very brilliant at it.

Sun mercury gives a very talkative intelligent person and the aspect from uranus is likely to make her very brilliant, a genius, unconventional, radical.
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Dear awfully worried mom – it may ease your mind fotto that not all astrologers agree on the influence of Pluto and that the debate on Pluto is not set in stone!

The outer planets IMO are generational rather than personal - but remember that is only my opinion and my opinion only! Some agree with me and others disagree with me! Astrologer do not always agree!
It is a good idea to consult several different astrologers and read more on the subject - and do not condemn your children and yourself to a lifetime of stress just because one astrologer has given you a worrying delineation of your child's chart based on a Pluto aspect!

Interestingly Pluto
is now a dwarf planet. There are more than forty dwarf planets. A clear majority voted for the new definition at a meeting of the International Astronomical Union (IAU) in Prague, in the Czech Republic. The IAU decides the official names of all celestial bodies. The term “planet” previously had no official meaning.

"According to the new definition, a full-fledged planet is an object that orbits the sun and is large enough to have become round due to the force of its own gravity. In addition, a planet has to dominate the neighborhood around its orbit
Pluto has been demoted because it does not dominate its neighborhood. Pluto's large "moon," is only about half the size of Pluto BUT all the true planets are far larger than their moons.
In addition, bodies that dominate their neighborhoods, "sweep up" asteroids, comets, and other debris, clearing a path along their orbits. By contrast, Pluto's orbit is somewhat untidy."

Source: National Geographic http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...to-planet.html
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Thank you so much for your replies. It really put my mind at ease, interpretation is really important like you say.
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i like to keep it simple.
the moment we are born, our physical death is predicted.
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To Jupiter

What I am worried about is based on the fact that my friend saw a transit Pluto approaching to the perfect conjunction toward his own natal moon and that was the day of his mother death. That happened many years ago.

Personally, as I said I was committed suicide once at 17 years of age when I look back that year of transit Pluto was conjunct with my IC 4th house and ketu/south node, I attempted suicide at home. On the natal chart, distance between Sun and Pluto was 17 degrees.

My sister's son his Pluto/Sun opposition will be perfected at the age of 5 years old. His Pluto is located at 4th house. My own sister, her Sun at 10th house, Sun Sesquisquare by Pluto from 3rd house, my sister suffered long term emotional and physical abused by our father. In my chart is Sun conjunct Saturn, Pluto semisequre Jupiter in 4th house. Sun and Jupiter in 4th can both represent father. My sister's husband love his son very much. They are indeed a very happy family. But no doubt when Pluto/Sun stressful aspect does suggest harm from or trauma regarding to father.

I have studied Chinese astrology more than 15 years and now learning Western and both give me similar suggestions. If you have heard of Face reading, his ears (early childhood) also has significant indication. At this point, I am only sure as a form of separation/major change regarding to family/home.

You can say whatever you want. I had my own personal experience. And I don't just suddenly tell my sister your husband and family may go through major changes without careful consideration and evidences from other source. Even without looking at astrological chart, her husband has been unwell for a while now...and by accidence I also saw some suggestions from his son's chart.

I am here opened up to public, to share my own experiences because I have feeling for this topic in a personally level. As we all love astrology and occults, eventually we will come to a point knowing the things that we rather not to know...anyway....I believe I have expressed enough and got my points through. I don't need to explain myself any further.
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the moment we are born, our physical death is predicted.
Yes....because everything including death is predestined that is why astrology and other occults work.
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But WHY do people want to predict death? I think it is an absolute abuse of astrologers or other mystics to even consider. The period of life btwn birth and death is all that matters in this world.
If I knew I would be fired from a job in 3 months, I would quit it today....
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But WHY do people want to predict death? I think it is an absolute abuse of astrologers or other mystics to even consider. The period of life btwn birth and death is all that matters in this world.
If I knew I would be fired from a job in 3 months, I would quit it today....
Don't you like your job?

What about if you'd known the job was only a 3 month contract from the outset?
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Don't you like your job?

What about if you'd known the job was only a 3 month contract from the outset?
moog ~ splitting hairs? apples and oranges?
i'm thinking more about metaphor here.
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I went through a phase in my 30s when I felt almost frantic with the desire to be sufficiently psychic to predict the future. Don't ask me why: possibly I was under too much stress or had a vitamin imbalence or something. This was well before it even occurred to me to study astrology, and I had no idea that astrology dealt with prediction for those of us who are not psychic.

Then I experienced a sudden wake-up call, where I realized that with perfect prediction, I would know when my family members were going to die, as well as the future of horrible wars and natural disasters. Yet Cassandra-like, I would be unable to stop or postpone them, because perfect future prediction implies a belief that we are all just a bunch of pre-programmed robots. We would have to believe that our lives are like a video or DVD that was scripted at our moment of birth and that we had zero ability to change any of it.

If you really believe in death prediction, don't invest in your good health in any way-- smoke and drink all you want, because you're gonna go when you're gonna go. Don't bother to take care of your children-- if a long life is in their stars, don't prevent them from playing in the street or injecting addictive drugs.

I don't believe that even the most fatalistic person actually thinks this way about him- or herself. Are you like a machine, endlessly playing out the tape that was finalized at your moment of birth?

The forum rules at Astrodienst prohibit asking death questions or the outcome of fatal diseases. I think this is a good thing.

Just live your life to the fullest. Or as the Al Anon motto puts it, "Let go and let God." (Or let the universe unfold, for atheists.)
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moog ~ splitting hairs? apples and oranges?
i'm thinking more about metaphor here.
I may have misunderstood your metaphor. Perhaps you could explain what you did mean.
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