Can't find a career.

junoisuppose said:

Hi,

I remember you asking this question before, when you told the cool story about the man who found his soulmate working in a herb garden (?) thanks to horary (I remembered that story yesterday when I went to a garden centre and wondered what sign it was he saw - taurus?).

So I answered you before, so I'm guessing you didn't like my advice?

You're sun leo, square mars, so you'd like to be active, maybe competitive. Mars in taurus fits with working with plants/gardens/food production etc, mercury, mars, saturn grand trine should be supportive of your goals, in earth signs that would be good in any kind of business, making money, selling something (mercury) that is earthy (taurus, capricorn).

The chart you posted confused me a little, because I don't use whole sign charts & I want to know where pluto is in your chart since that rules your MC (in my opinion, other people might think it's mars).

Scorpio-capricorn is strong in your chart, that is often high finance, accounting etc. Taurus is also often connected to banking and accounting, so that fits too.

Your north node is in the second house, making money, & is in Aquarius, so Aquarius might come into it too, computers, new technology etc.

The north node opposite venus and square the MC might be causing you problems, the MC pulls you one way and the north node pulls you in a different direction, and somehow you'll have to combine the two.

As you mention parallels I'm guessing you know about them already (& you probably know you can find yours out at astro.com extended chart selection natal chart additional tables, they are listed as declinations). From what I know they are interpreted in a similar way to aspects, although they are only considered if they are within one degree, so for example moon parallel saturn has a similar effect to moon conjunct saturn. There is a book that gives interpretations, cookbook style, but I don't know what it is called, there are probably a few.

Alice McDermott/Portman gives advice on how to find your career in your chart here http://aliceportman.com/your-career-in-your-natal-chart/, specifically she looks at the planet that is oriental before your sun, the ruler of your MC by sign and duad, and the position of the planet that disposes the ruler of your MC.

So, in your case, with the chart you are using, the MC is in scorpio in the duad of aquarius, if we're using mars that is in taurus, in the duad of aquarius again, and disposed by venus in leo, in the duad of virgo. Venus is also your oriental planet so it is significant.

Also for career matters have you tried looking at your progressions? They might tell you when opportunities will come along, and it might be a question of the right job finding you rather than you figuring out the ideal job. Transit wise you've got saturn transiting the 10th house, which is a time to get serious about a career but also means a lot of hard work relating to that, but on the plus side jupiter is trine your natal mars, coming up to conjunct your jupiter and soon to be conjunct your venus. Jupiter transits can be over-hyped in my opinion if we thing they will bring us good things without us having to do anything, but what they do bring is opportunities and more confidence to take up opportunities.

Element wise your chart is predominantly earth and lacking in air, therefore something that involves dealing purely with ideas would not be a good choice, you need to be dealing with practical things. Your fire sign sun and water sign moon are also strong, both being in their own sign.

In the tarot the page of pentacles (earth signs) is described as someone who likes to take things apart just to see how they work, so anything to do with machines, engineering, even processes would be good. How about developing a new process for growing food that will solve the problem of not having enough space to grow food for everyone (I was thinking something like hydroponics, but I think that would need more water significators, so something like that, but without so much water)? Or selling organic veg? Or creating new food products?

Cancer-leo is a good combination for a teacher of young children, so how about teaching children about nature, for example as a ranger or working in a forest school teaching survival skills & bushcraft? Scorpio could come into it because you need to understand psychology in order to be an effective educator. It would also fit with venus and the moon being conjunct jupiter, the planet of educating others.

Going back to scorpio-aquarius how about alternative therapies? Also fits with the moon in cancer.

Or mars in taurus, could be a massage therapist?

By now I have been round in circles and probably confused you immensely, and as you may have guessed this approach has caused me some trouble in finding the ideal career too, but one thing I would recommend is looking at mars (if you prefer to use that as your MC ruler rather than pluto) and seeing which houses are ruled by the planets it makes aspects to, specifically saturn, mercury, sun, and then find a career which combines those things, that's what happened in my case (my MC ruler aspects most of my planets, but is conjunct the ruler of the 5th and the 9th and the job that I have found that fits me best is teaching children from overseas, my MC is gemini, and mercury is in leo, so that is also part of it).

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Culpeper said:

This chart has a grand trine and kite configuration. This is what every astrologer likes to see. The native can do many things well in life. However, they often just coast through life and do not accomplish much. This is particularly true in this chart as the Mars point of the grand trine is in detriment. So to get anywhere you must consciously push yourself all the time. Saturn is the leading planet. It rules a multitude of occupations, but when it is leading the way from the first house in rulership and part of a grand trine it produces managers and executives and someone who will have many subordinates. This native is not a specialist himself but a leader and organizer of other's work. The specialists work for him. I hope this helps and I remember now reading for you along time ago, but that was for a specific question.

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Zonark said:

It's interesting that those are all career directions others who don't know astrology have suggested.

The one thing that puzzles me is Mars is nocturnal in my chart and I think that means I prefer nighttime work? I am naturally a night owl, even in utero my mother tells me I'd only be awake at night and have stuck that way all my life. I do love plants, natural health, alternative holistic medicine therapies but I also really just need to be working at night because I can't function during the day. I have no energy but at night I am switched on like a big owl. Most of those kinds of farming, working with plants and helping people therapeutically kind of work is all done during the day. The Sun just zaps my energy. Not a vampire or anything, I just prefer the evening sun

I probably should've studied mycology when I felt driven to since fungi are an organic, earthy thing but are most active at night, but I am very uncomfortable in academic settings, I couldn't hack it. I'm smart but, it is probably the lack of air, school has always been very difficult and I learn most when teaching myself.

Most money I've made has been through the internet with bitcoin or contracts to online schools where I use my own knowledge or skill to improve their materials. North node in the 2nd house is in Whole Signs, Placidus it's in the 1st but the 2nd sign from the Ascendant, so maybe it ties Self and Value very closely (Saturn in the 1st would give more weight to this, especially being retrograde, own set of rules and values... which is very much how I am).

Honestly the work I want to do is unusual, I want to work with the paranormal in psychic phenomenon as a shaman or priest without ties to a religious hierarchy and am starting to be able to see spirits more frequently. Have always been able to but, only occasionally. I would have all the motivation and creative drive to structure a career around something in this kind of field but, I do not feel authentic enough to do it and don't want to be a trickster. That is my real dream for vocation though.

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junoisuppose said:

Hi,

I wasn't really annoyed that you didn't remember my advice, just kidding

& I was worried that you might think I was telling you what to do, when really I was just throwing ideas out and hoping your intuition would either reject them or feel OK with them, just ideas for you to consider.

Working with paranormal or as a shaman definitely fits with scorpio and aquarius, pluto and your 8th house mercury. Also, wow, so many planets in the 7th! That would fit with advising or counselling others.

I think our MC is what we are famous for, and publicly acclaimed for, but not always how we make our money, so perhaps consider doing this and doing something else to make money until you become established/more confident in your abilities.

I know what you mean about most things being in the day, but if you work for yourself you can work at night, for example quite a lot of people want consultations after they finish work, in the afternoon and evening, or you could hold nighttime rituals, sort of like tourist rituals. I don't mean to belittle what shaman do, but I'm guessing at least some of your work will come from people who are just curious to learn more about it, in addition to those those who are sincerely desperate for help.

And natural health and holistic medicine definitely fit with your chart if you can find a way of doing them at a time that fits with your rhythms.

If we're using old rulers then saturn ruling your 2nd is sextile pluto, so there is the possibility for you to earn money from what you are famous for, but pluto is part of a t-square, with the sun at its apex, so that complicates things.

Pluto aspects the rulers of your 8th (psychology and transformations or other people's money) and 3rd (communication) strongly, so these will be involved, also sextiles the rulers of your 5th, 6th, so creativity and routine chores will come into it, and also the 2nd, which I've already mentioned.

You've got chiron in the 7th and neptune and uranus on the ascendant. Chiron and neptune there can mean counselling or advising people, and healing people, although neptune can also lead to confusion. Uranus can be stop-start energy, but it can also be unusual careers, and both uranus and neptune sextile the MC, so that all fits. Venus and jupiter are squaring the MC, so they're more likely to cause problems, I'm not altogether sure how that could come about, but jupiter could be problems with a teacher, a foreign partner, or even a friend, as it rules your 11th, it's a wide square though.

This is just another idea for your intuition to consider or reject, but how about a magic shop, or a magic paraphernalia shop, or a shop selling occult books and items, you could even do it over the internet and sell to people in different time zones. It perhaps wouldn't satisfy all your 7th house planets, but it fits with pluto and scorpio in the 10th. Or maybe advising people somehow over the internet, you could do it by Skype to other countries, or pre-record your advice at any time that suits you and send it to your clients.

I haven't heard that a planet being nocturnal means that a person can only work at night, but I don't really know.

By the way, (as you probably know) mercury is retrograde right now, so it is a time of going back to previous questions and previous conversations

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waybread said:

Zonark, if going back to college isn't a good option for you, you might think about a practical career that will help people and pay the bills while you pursue your spiritual interests. Unfortunately, a career seeing spirits may draw you immensely, but it is hard to make money at it; and then truly spiritual pursuits possibly shouldn't be done for hire.

With your loaded 7th house, I think you would be good in a career that required one-on-one activity. I'd suggest counseling, but you need some academic qualifications here to get licensed. So what about something like spending a year or two learning reiki, becoming a LPN, or a massage therapist? You'd need more education, but it would be more literally "hands on."

Not all reiki practitioners work with spirit guides, but some do, to good effect. If you believe that you are in touch with beneficial spirits, then hopefully they can help you to heal other people. Please be very careful here, however, because it is possible that the spirits exist only within your own consciousness. Many people who immerse themselves in spirituality have lost their grips on reality, and not in a good way. (See Jon Krakauer's book, Under the Banner of Heaven for example.)

You have a strong chart, with the soon, moon, Mercury, Saturn, and Pluto domiciled in their own signs.

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Krewster said:

Yes, Merc’s super tight 60 to your Moon and not-so-loose 120 to Sat indicates good smarts.​

And your mention of developing them more independently, rather than via school, seems well represented (not so much by the lack of air but) by your Sun apex/midpointing your Merc septile Jup (to create the septile- semiseptile-septile triangle).​

Working against power for social reform proclivities comes from the combination of your Sun semi-septile Jup and bi-novile Pluto (and with Sat bi-quintiling your Sun, I doubt you would be inclined to do “inappropriate” things from the social norms viewpoint).​

The irony is that your Merc (among personal planets) is best-overall aspected and so I’d vote for a Merc-oriented career most of which are likely saved for degreed academic system followers. Hope you find your way to exploiting that Kite to your own by-hindsight-satisfaction.​

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waybread said:

Zonark, I am starting to see the problem.

1. Can anyone tell you anything? Or do you see advice as something to be deflected?

2. What makes you think reiki is an academic subject?

3. If you know how to heal people through laying-on of hands, why isn't this your career already?

4. Can anyone teach you anything? If so, under what circumstances?

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Zonark said:

I need to find a career badly. I've been all over the place with career and want something to focus on. This is very urgent, am at a time in life when I can no longer afford to just work anywhere to survive.

Help me please, I need advice on what kind of career is a BAD CHOICE for me as well. This will help. Prefer the advice of a traditional astrologer with understanding of modern parallels.

Do not be afraid to recommend something very unusual or not at all mundane, or something incredibly mundane and degrading, just tell me what you think. I am telling you nothing about myself or past work history and interests because I want clean insight. Fresh and untainted.

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waybread said:

So did you mean this, Zonark? I cannot say whether reiki is right for you, but it doesn't seem that you have studied it.

But maybe you can pay the rent through sorcery or talking to spirits.

What I think I'm seeing, however, is that despite your OP, you really do have some prejudices to contend with before you can contemplate anything "outside the box."

Maybe another way around this, is how much money do you need to live on, minimally or at a target level? Are you willing to undertake any sort of non-academic training, or do you want to go with the skill set you've got. What is your highest education level?

With careers you've contemplated, what are their typical starting salaries? Mid-career salaries? Would you have to move to practice them renumeratively? Where to, and are you willing to go there?

You don't need to tell us, but these at least should give you some ground-truthing.

Don't shoot the messenger-- I'm here to help. As you noted, it may be helpful to refine what you don't wish to do-- but then, what's left?

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