AppLeo
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Birth control has always been an easy access. Condoms cost like 15 dollars a box.
Thoughts on Feminism
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Birth control has always been an easy access. Condoms cost like 15 dollars a box.
craft94
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What if the condom breaks? What then, AppLeo?
AppLeo
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Get an abortion, but pay for that **** yourself.
waybread
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AppLeo, you seem like you are hostile towards whatever you think feminism is. If you are headed to university or are there now, I strongly encourage you to take a course in gender studies, because you seem to have a very simplistic view of gender issues.
I've unpacked the wage gap issue a bit. To go further:
1. There are cases where men and women do not get equal pay for equal work. I had this happen to me early in my career.
2. There are cases where men and women's pay does not reflect the nature of their work. One example might be a school janitor who gets paid more than a teacher.
3. There are cases where women face discrimination in employment. I gave the example above of the military. Sexual harassment of enlisted women has been in the news a lot lately, so you're probably aware of the problem. A woman who has to choose between her virtue and personal safety vs. career advancement will understandably decide not to pursue progress through the ranks, and be likely to drop out.
Another example that has been in the news a lot lately are women in IT careers. Geek culture has been demonstrably unsupportive of women's advancement into upper echelon higher-paying jobs.
4. Women who are mothers of young children, notably single mothers, tend to find jobs with hours and flexibility that allow them to juggle their dual roles. Obviously, many corporate roles, law firm jobs, and careers that require travel are hard for moms to embrace. Although dads are perfectly capable of staying home with the kids while Mom pursues her job as a long-haul truck driver or commercial airline pilot, this has not tended to be the norm.
Add up these issues, and we begin to see how wage disparity takes hold.
AppLeo, your callousness towards mothers merely shows your youth. Thank your lucky stars that your mother decided that having a child was worth her while.
Ayn Rand was a sociopath so far as I can determine. I wouldn't hold up her brand of libertarianism as any kind of guide for a sane society.
Are you aware that the US is the only developed nation without some form of paid maternity leave? How come countries like Canada and France manage to have paid maternity leave as a normal employment benefit?
I've unpacked the wage gap issue a bit. To go further:
1. There are cases where men and women do not get equal pay for equal work. I had this happen to me early in my career.
2. There are cases where men and women's pay does not reflect the nature of their work. One example might be a school janitor who gets paid more than a teacher.
3. There are cases where women face discrimination in employment. I gave the example above of the military. Sexual harassment of enlisted women has been in the news a lot lately, so you're probably aware of the problem. A woman who has to choose between her virtue and personal safety vs. career advancement will understandably decide not to pursue progress through the ranks, and be likely to drop out.
Another example that has been in the news a lot lately are women in IT careers. Geek culture has been demonstrably unsupportive of women's advancement into upper echelon higher-paying jobs.
4. Women who are mothers of young children, notably single mothers, tend to find jobs with hours and flexibility that allow them to juggle their dual roles. Obviously, many corporate roles, law firm jobs, and careers that require travel are hard for moms to embrace. Although dads are perfectly capable of staying home with the kids while Mom pursues her job as a long-haul truck driver or commercial airline pilot, this has not tended to be the norm.
Add up these issues, and we begin to see how wage disparity takes hold.
AppLeo, your callousness towards mothers merely shows your youth. Thank your lucky stars that your mother decided that having a child was worth her while.
Ayn Rand was a sociopath so far as I can determine. I wouldn't hold up her brand of libertarianism as any kind of guide for a sane society.
Are you aware that the US is the only developed nation without some form of paid maternity leave? How come countries like Canada and France manage to have paid maternity leave as a normal employment benefit?
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craft94
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Gay men are cool. It's only the straight ones I have a problem with.
AppLeo
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craft94
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I'm happy to hear your pro-choice but let me get this straight: if a woman is poor and can't afford to take care of the child, it's her own fault for having the child in the first place, but if she can't afford the child, shouldn't it follow that she may not be able to afford the abortion either?
I don't necessarily disagree with you but I'm curious.
Should women just not have sex? Is that what you're saying?
waybread
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Sigh.....
AppLeo, I wish you read my posts, instead of regressing back into your incorrect overly-simplistic notions of feminism.
There are different brands of feminism. Not just the kind you think you dislike.
I did not participate in the recent women's march. While I don't oppose such public displays of solidarity, they have to translate into social, economic, or political equality to be more than just a photo op.
Madonna's quote can't be taken seriously.
waybread
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AppLeo, you are not being remotely logical. Gay or straight men are not defined by a single outrageous individual. I might as well say that Donald Trump stands in for all straight men.
Time to see both women and men as individuals.
You seem to be very angry about something here. I wonder what and why.
AppLeo
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I can't believe I took your advice on career. Take women studies... Unbelievable. What worthwhile career am I going to get with that degree?
I'd really like to hear the details on that one.
LOL. A school janitor is not the same job as a teacher. A male janitor probably gets paid less compared to a male teacher. What then Waybread?? Is there gender discrimination within the male sex???
When people are working two different careers... Such as a teacher and janitor... There isn't any gender discrimination. You just get paid less because being a janitor is work that anyone can do. There is no demand for janitors because there will always be someone that can be a janitor. And if you believe that a janitor should get paid the same as a teacher, or that a teacher should get paid the same as a doctor... oh my god. That's literally communism.
Men face discrimination in employment as well. Male nurses probably have to deal with **** all the time.
STEM careers? Who cares what other people think. In America, women can pursue whatever career they want. When it really comes down to it, the people that can provide the results will achieve the jobs they desire.
Personally, I think women would rather pursue arts degrees, and then complain when there's a lack of women in math and science fields.
If you're gonna have children and be the primary care taker, you're just not really going to have a great income. That's part of life.
I see literally none.
Callousness... I think some mothers are idiots who have children with the wrong men at the wrong time and then seek government benefits and blame everyone else.
Ayn Rand is not a psychopath... people who say that truly don't understand her philosophy and true economic morality. She provides a philosophical basis for being libertarian. She is a brilliant mind and women. She's way stronger than any other feminist that existed. If feminists adopted her ideas of hard work and logic, instead of being so weak seeking these government benefits and blaming men and patriarchy, women would seek the equality they feel they deserve.
And by the way... Rand was a woman that never asked for government benefits and never decided to have children so that she could work solely as a writer. She never viewed herself as oppressed. Rand is like the goddess Athena.
And you know what is psychopathic... people using government coercion to take other people's money to fund their life. That's not compassion or moral AT ALL.
Socialism and feminism destroys women and makes them weak.
It better stay like that for our sake. The entire world is going through another socialist/communist phase.
Why don't single moms just move to Canada and France if those countries are so darn great?
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AppLeo
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AppLeo
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If you get pregnant and don't want your child, you pay for your abortion. That's not my problem or anyone else's; that's what a libertarian would say. If you want someone to pay for it, they should pay for it under their own voluntary consent – not with the government coercion as taxes.
They can have sex all they want; I don't care. It's their life not mine. But don't expect me to help them you out when **** hits the fan. We have charities for that.
The only time I'd pay for an abortion is if a female is my friend or in my family.
craft94
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A single class, an elective, is not the same as a full degree...
Maybe because they can't afford it. Didn't we just go over that?
craft94
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Fair enough.
Personally, I think that so long as we're going to have taxes, we should choose what our taxes go towards.
AppLeo
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That class is utterly useless, and something that every liberal left-wing advocates.
No. It's because America is freaking great with more opportunities than any other country.
Our taxes should go towards the norms such as police and our national defense and actually eliminating our debt!!!!
AppLeo
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Then what is feminism, honestly? I think women just have as many rights as men do. What is your primary goal?
What are they? Lets hear them all. If something has all kind of brands and misrepresentation, then it must not be structural or practical. Why not just drop the whole feminist thing and call yourself an egalitarian. Women aren't the only one's who are "oppressed" you know.
What does social equality, economic equality, and political equality look like in your eyes? Complete embraced socialism and communism?
I completely agree, yet many feminist support that garbage.
I was just making a joke xP.
I completely agree. Individualism can only be supported by getting rid of the idea of female oppression or any group that's oppressed. A group can't be oppressed because all individuals that make up that group are different.
I'm not angry; I'm just trying to get to the bottom of the mind of a feminist. Instead of answering my questions, you blow them off as ridiculous.
craft94
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I'm not the most political person. As I've said before, politics are the very antithesis of values. And to be quite honest, all this talk about gender bores me. I'd rather just be a person. An indi****ingvidual. That said, I honestly feel like the older I get, the more 'feminist' I become. That's because the older I get, the more ******** I either witness or experience. Men always seem to get the upper hand in everything they do and it pisses me off to no end. It's not something I look for either.
Waybread mentioned sexual harassment in the workplace. That's something I've experienced myself firsthand... From a supervisor no less. I laughed it off at the time but in retrospect, I realize how inappropriate it actually was.
Waybread mentioned sexual harassment in the workplace. That's something I've experienced myself firsthand... From a supervisor no less. I laughed it off at the time but in retrospect, I realize how inappropriate it actually was.
AppLeo
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How is sexual harassment a political issue? How is feminism a political issue? What is Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders going to do to make women equal on sexual harassment?
If you don't like the harassment call the cops or leave.