david starling
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Yes, it could have been, but we'll never know for certain. Suicide watch is specifically geared to preventing it though.
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Yes, it could have been, but we'll never know for certain. Suicide watch is specifically geared to preventing it though.
david starling
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Faked his death, plastic surgery, an old trick. There's no reason given for why he was taken off suicide watch after an attempt in July--experts are "outraged".
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And Bill Clinton breathes a sigh of relief. Suicide, psh.
david starling
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Hmmm....Trump's 16 year old employee was recruited by Epstein at Marlago. Of course, the owner of the resort, Epstein's gracious host, who had declared him a "great guy", knew absolutely nothing about it. Absolutely nothing. And, you better believe it!
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Dirius
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There is plenty of evidence he was involved with the Clinton's and their foundation. It is funny the media tries to pin down this on Trump
Dirius
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Lets see, two mass shooting occured on the same day:
- One by a white supremacist that supported Trump against.
- One by a progressive antifa socialist that supported Elisabeth Warren.
One got way more cvoverage than the other, and was talked in all news outlets. Guess which? The other one was mentioned in passing. In my country both were reported (by CNN latinamerica) as two attacks by right-wing extremists. The topic of the week was "white-supremacy" and racism, when its clear mass shootings are not related to a particular motive. The tragedy was used by political figures for propaganda more than anything else. Tragic and pathetic.
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david starling
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There is plenty of evidence he was involved with the Clinton's and their foundation. It is funny the media tries to pin down this on Trump
Actually, the media says Trump is just a "witness" who didn't take advantage of what Epstein had to offer. The woman who says she was a Trump's 16 year-old Marlago employee hasn't accused Trump of complicity either. Trump is on record as calling Epstein a "great guy", but that doesn't necessarily mean he had sex with underage victims.
Bill Clinton hasn't been charged with a crime related to Epstein, as far as I know. Both Clinton and Trump are "innocent" until proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt in a court of law.
david starling
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They both got a lot of coverage at first, but the Ohio shooter didn't target immigrants and was immediately shot dead by police.
Has it really been proven he was Antifa? Sounds farfetched.
david starling
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Looked it up. He tweeted support for Antifa, but wasn't a member.
david starling
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Can't find any instance of an actual Antifa member committing a homicide.
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David, are you aware of Crowley's book of thoth? He speaks about the "New Aeon" and it's connection with the astrological ages. The dying god of Osiris was the previous Aeon which was in line with the astrological age of Pisces (this is the sidereal zodiac to which you attribute the spiritual character). The New Aeon is that of the divine child or Horus and the tarot card that holds the secret of this age is Lust/Strength, assigned to Leo. The connection in his explanation was made with the age of Aquarius and the polarity of the two signs. Importantly, the major arcana card "The Star" has the female goddess Nuit as its central figure.
Do you have anything to say to this? Perhaps how the Leo polarity of the age will have its effects on the mundane and spiritual lives of humanity?
Do you have anything to say to this? Perhaps how the Leo polarity of the age will have its effects on the mundane and spiritual lives of humanity?
david starling
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I make the connection between Nuit and Urania, both personifying the Heavens. The Egyptian version Nuit came first, then the Greco-Roman male personification, Ouranos/Caelus, then the Greco-Roman female version, Urania. She also happens to be Muse of astrology, and Domicile-ruler of the Age of Aquarius.
Horus was the forerunner of Apollo, Domicle-ruler of Sagittarius. Not sure why Crowley brought him into the picture for the Aquarian Age.
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Dirius
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The media are constantly trying to promote the idea of a close personal relation between Trump and Epstein, as a way to miss-direct the involvement of other powerful individuals. There is no evidence that Trump participated in any of those crimes, in fact there is evidence they had a falling out many years ago. There is evidence many leaders and powerful individuals have been involved in Epstein's crimes, by either testimonies from people, records, etc.
So in the media's mind, the top priority is to promote Epstein's non-exisant relation to Trump, but diminish the well founded rumors of other political figures abusing girls? If the media was fair, the moment Epstein was arrested would have been a massive scandal considering his relationship with a former U.S. president, who has been targeted as part of his crime circle.
And sure both are innocent until proven guilty. But there is no evidence at all of Trump's involvement in any of Epstein's crimes. There is plenty of evidence of Clinton's involvement in them.
Dirius
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Its a decentralised activist organization. The guy was a promoter of their idelogy, was in contact with its related affiliate gun promoting groups, and committed the mass shooting dressed in antifa style black dressing.
I never accused them of doing so. Most of their attacks are done with blunt objects, which reduces the chances of death. It is pretty well established they are violent.
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To passiflora & David -
Let me provide some context for my question.
In esoteric astrology sign energies work as a polarity from the cosmic perspective. This is in line with the idea that above the "abyss"/ the realm of the supernals, what is seen as black and white and irreconcilable opposites on more contingent realms is unity. The intimations that you made about the Leo side of the Aquarius-Leo axis in the new age indicates that is not news to you.
So for something with cosmic proportions such as the Age of Aquarius, the fullness of the polarity would be articulated and manifested, which means that the influence of the sign Leo would be integral to the age.
Aleister Crowley is the originator of the modern system of spirituality called the "Thelema", which translates to "Will". One of the expressed purposes of this system of spirituality is that aids in the finding of one's "true will" and it's unabashed expression in one's life. Ideas integral to this system are "Do what though wilt shall be the whole of the law", "Love is the Law, Love under will" and, "Every man and very woman is a star". One can see in these ideas and convictions a solar characteristic - unabashed self-expression of one's core essence, the supremacy of the will, and love as Sun is the heart and centre of our solar system, and anatomically it relates to the Spine and heart. In modern astrology, the supremacy of the Sun, it's signs and aspects takes primacy and one allegedly grasps the chart's "true purpose" from a perusal of its solar facts. But even with this supremacy, it's a point that is hard-to-grasp and to "bridge down to earth". It's hard to stare at directly for too long, like our physical sun. Similar ideas are explored more in this series on the mystery of solar fire.
The spiritual text of this system is called "Liber AL" or the Book of the Law, introduces the triad of deities that are central to the allegedly new age of spiritual advancement of humanity - Nuit, Hadit (her male aspect represented variously as the individual point-of-view and kundalini among other things) and Ra-Hoor-Khuit - the divine and conquering child. This new age of spiritual advancement is referred to as "The Age of Horus" and it is an age of fire. I have not found any direct quote where Crowley juxtaposes the Aquarian Age with Horus. Symbolically, if one were to represent Nuit as a circle (as infinite space and the starry backdrop) with Hadit as the central dot, one would get the glyph of the Sun - the "divine marriage" creating the child Horus and the "Aeon of the Age".
Personally, I find the connections between this conception of the "new age of spiritual advancement" and your own conception of the alignment of the spiritual and mundane ages of Aquarius. You no longer have Saturn as having any relevance to Aquarius, and in it's place you put the Goddess the sky Goddess Urania/Nuit as the real governess of the sign. Nuit is also an important figure of the Aeon of Horus, according to Liber AL. The polarity of Leo and Aquarius is found in the golden dawn attributions of the cards "Lust" and "The Star", respectively, and Crowley indicates the "Scarlett Woman" of Lust is also the Goddess Nuit of the Star. Furthermore, the cards of "The Sun" and "The Aeon" (final judgement) are also instructive of this new age of spiritual age of advancement. The Leo-Aquarius/Solar-Nuit polarity is elaborated upon in Crowley's works, and I'd be curious as to how his polarity may be articulated and fleshed out in your own system, if it is that you even see this aspect as relevant to the major thesis of your work. I also find the issue of transmutating Saturnine Lead to Solar Gold and the changeover from Capricorn and Aquarius to be another intriguing link in this whole Age of Aquarius affair.
I'm fairly neutral in terms of the effects that the Leo side of things may bring, at this point I'd want to meditate some more on the matter.
These kind of connections make me believe that there is some drinking of the same spiritual sources going on.
Let me provide some context for my question.
In esoteric astrology sign energies work as a polarity from the cosmic perspective. This is in line with the idea that above the "abyss"/ the realm of the supernals, what is seen as black and white and irreconcilable opposites on more contingent realms is unity. The intimations that you made about the Leo side of the Aquarius-Leo axis in the new age indicates that is not news to you.
So for something with cosmic proportions such as the Age of Aquarius, the fullness of the polarity would be articulated and manifested, which means that the influence of the sign Leo would be integral to the age.
Aleister Crowley is the originator of the modern system of spirituality called the "Thelema", which translates to "Will". One of the expressed purposes of this system of spirituality is that aids in the finding of one's "true will" and it's unabashed expression in one's life. Ideas integral to this system are "Do what though wilt shall be the whole of the law", "Love is the Law, Love under will" and, "Every man and very woman is a star". One can see in these ideas and convictions a solar characteristic - unabashed self-expression of one's core essence, the supremacy of the will, and love as Sun is the heart and centre of our solar system, and anatomically it relates to the Spine and heart. In modern astrology, the supremacy of the Sun, it's signs and aspects takes primacy and one allegedly grasps the chart's "true purpose" from a perusal of its solar facts. But even with this supremacy, it's a point that is hard-to-grasp and to "bridge down to earth". It's hard to stare at directly for too long, like our physical sun. Similar ideas are explored more in this series on the mystery of solar fire.
The spiritual text of this system is called "Liber AL" or the Book of the Law, introduces the triad of deities that are central to the allegedly new age of spiritual advancement of humanity - Nuit, Hadit (her male aspect represented variously as the individual point-of-view and kundalini among other things) and Ra-Hoor-Khuit - the divine and conquering child. This new age of spiritual advancement is referred to as "The Age of Horus" and it is an age of fire. I have not found any direct quote where Crowley juxtaposes the Aquarian Age with Horus. Symbolically, if one were to represent Nuit as a circle (as infinite space and the starry backdrop) with Hadit as the central dot, one would get the glyph of the Sun - the "divine marriage" creating the child Horus and the "Aeon of the Age".
Personally, I find the connections between this conception of the "new age of spiritual advancement" and your own conception of the alignment of the spiritual and mundane ages of Aquarius. You no longer have Saturn as having any relevance to Aquarius, and in it's place you put the Goddess the sky Goddess Urania/Nuit as the real governess of the sign. Nuit is also an important figure of the Aeon of Horus, according to Liber AL. The polarity of Leo and Aquarius is found in the golden dawn attributions of the cards "Lust" and "The Star", respectively, and Crowley indicates the "Scarlett Woman" of Lust is also the Goddess Nuit of the Star. Furthermore, the cards of "The Sun" and "The Aeon" (final judgement) are also instructive of this new age of spiritual age of advancement. The Leo-Aquarius/Solar-Nuit polarity is elaborated upon in Crowley's works, and I'd be curious as to how his polarity may be articulated and fleshed out in your own system, if it is that you even see this aspect as relevant to the major thesis of your work. I also find the issue of transmutating Saturnine Lead to Solar Gold and the changeover from Capricorn and Aquarius to be another intriguing link in this whole Age of Aquarius affair.
I'm fairly neutral in terms of the effects that the Leo side of things may bring, at this point I'd want to meditate some more on the matter.
These kind of connections make me believe that there is some drinking of the same spiritual sources going on.
david starling
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Tropical Merc just entered Leo, Venus is scant seconds of arc away from exact Solar conj in Leo, Mars is at the endcusp of Leo.
Moon is closing in on Saturn in Cap.
Moon is closing in on Saturn in Cap.
david starling
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Thanks c.t.! I'll be referring to this post and link in the future, as the connections to 12/12 are gradually revealed.
Meanwhile, I'm letting Ouranos rest in peace, and seeing Urania as his successor, with Urania as a development of Nuit, just as Apollo is a development of Horus.
Ouranos inadvertently left us with our only two feminine Planets: 1) Aphrodite/Venus is "of his seed", in combination with Amphitrite, personification of the Sea and wife of Poseidon/Neptune as the impregnated mother. It's a precursor to modern medicine's artificial insemination, with Ouranos as unwilling sperm-donor and Cronos/Saturn performing the surgery! 2) Urania, grandaughter of Ouranos, changing the personification of the Heavens back to feminine, as it was in ancient Egypt
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david starling
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Here's one, just for fun.
As the story goes, Ouranos/Caelus enraged his wife Gaea/Gaia, personification of the Earth, by getting rid of their offspring which he considered "monsters"; thereby ensuring his own downfall, because, monsters they may have been, but she loved them just the same, more than she loved him.
The modern theory is, a meteor strike ended the dinosaurs. What if THOSE were the monsters Ouranos eliminated, with a perfectly directed Aquarian meteor?
Hmmm....Gaia getting hit by that meteor could be considered grounds for a divorce--felony assault!
As the story goes, Ouranos/Caelus enraged his wife Gaea/Gaia, personification of the Earth, by getting rid of their offspring which he considered "monsters"; thereby ensuring his own downfall, because, monsters they may have been, but she loved them just the same, more than she loved him.
The modern theory is, a meteor strike ended the dinosaurs. What if THOSE were the monsters Ouranos eliminated, with a perfectly directed Aquarian meteor?
Hmmm....Gaia getting hit by that meteor could be considered grounds for a divorce--felony assault!
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Gemini888
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I'm still unsure what Crowley intended to use his Thoth for. I know about the Tree of Life, astrological symbols, and the Aeon thing, but those things just don't seem to create any significance going together. Did he intend to use Thoth only for his personal Magikal ritual?
Also I have understood why the Sword suit is filled with negative interpretation, at least from the Golden Dawn point of view. The mind is an egotistical enemy that blocks the higher self and we have to get rid of it to enter the next stage of consciousness. And the Earth is the strongest element.
Also I have understood why the Sword suit is filled with negative interpretation, at least from the Golden Dawn point of view. The mind is an egotistical enemy that blocks the higher self and we have to get rid of it to enter the next stage of consciousness. And the Earth is the strongest element.