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Re: Trump Supporters Peacefully Demonstrate at the U.S. Capitol

Just a small reminder of the violence in 2020...not even including the nutty Chop/Chaz zone which caused enormous damage with the violence & killings.

Rage at Capitol assault makes excuses for summer riots all the more disgraceful



Last May, thousands of rioters in Minneapolis brought the city to its knees after the police-involved death of George Floyd. Over three days, rioters burned down a police station, looted hundreds of businesses and burned entire neighborhoods to the ground. Mass street violence also broke out in Washington, DC, New York City, Los Angeles, Seattle and dozens of other cities; at least two dozen died in the course of the riots.


Vice President-elect Kamala Harris encouraged her millions of Twitter followers to donate to a Minnesota crowd-funding effort that paid bail for accused rioters. So, too, did more than a dozen Joe Biden campaign staffers. The Minnesota Freedom Fund raked in more than $35 million in donations with their help.

In Portland, Ore., where I’m from, masked extremists from both BLM and Antifa smashed their way into the Multnomah County Justice Center on May 29. The building houses the Sheriff’s Office, a police station and jail. Rioters ransacked the ground floor, hoping to break into the jail to free prisoners. When that failed, they started fires; city and county staff fled for their lives.




But the rioters were just getting started.


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I have not seen nor heard of information supporting what the retired General said in the video. His conclusion about why she wants to have the President removed are ridiculous, simply based on the facts of what Americans and people around the world heard and saw on Wednesday.
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And the machines too which switched votes from Trump to Biden.
They would only find that out by doing a forensic audit of the machines.

The dirty Dems have fought EVERY time the GOP want election transparency.

Only one reason for that as you have mentioned before!
Forensic audit would be another way.

Switching "votes from Trump to Biden" is an assertion that has not been proven.
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Pelosi DEMANDS: Resign or be IMPEACHED!
The democrats in office do not want a peaceful transition of power.

They are calling for unity and peace

but it comes at a price: Submit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1ony68UJo
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What is the point of submitting the video? The person speaking is clearly trying to fuel division in USA. This not a country made up of Republicans and Democrats. It is a country made up of Americans. We have a democratic process here. If you feel the process did not work for you, then you look to see if there was anything you can do to improve your chances and try again.
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There's a WORLD of difference between the "storming" the youth protestors did and the storming that just happened.

The youth protestors did not break in, did not vandalize anything, and did not steal anything. They didn't enter an empty office without permission. They didn't pose a threat that required Pelosi and other congress members to evacuate. They just stood out in the hall and demanded to TALK with Pelosi... and she did in fact hear them out. Even when they were arrested, it wasn't because they were doing anything violent, but because they refused to leave when police told them to. They kept the civil in civil disobedience.

The rioters the other day broke in, posed enough of a threat that Congress had to be evacuated, vandalized, and stole. It was all caught on camera. Some of it by the rioters themselves. That was anything BUT a civil act!
People seem more upset about the double standard.

When BLM/Antifa were rioting, looting, murdering and destroying entire cities, and building their own autonomous zone outside the rule of law, every democrat congressmen and senator was saying "these are just peaceful protests".

Storming the capitol building was a bad thing to do, and should not have occurred, but politicians are using this event to pander fear. The amount of individuals who actually got inside was very few, and even fewer those that caused actual chaos (like 4 or 5 people?) - most of the protestors remained outside and were pretty peaceful.
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NO, NO weapons. NO property damage except the windows smashed by the Antifa thugs who infiltrated the Trump Patriots. And, yeah, there are always fringe groups like the neo-nazis that join in but 99% of Trump supporters don't support them..... et cetera
Sorry, you don't get this one. I witnessed the incendiary tweet made by Trump that sharply escalated events following George Floyd's death; similar to what he did on Wednesday. I said as much then in this Community. I knew as soon as I saw the tweet that things had just gotten 50 times worse than they were. He is responsible for the riots and mayhem that happened in every major city just as he is responsible for inciting people to desecrate the Capitol. If you don't care about Democracy and civility, I can't make you.
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People seem more upset about the double standard.

When BLM/Antifa were rioting, looting, murdering and destroying entire cities, and building their own autonomous zone outside the rule of law, every democrat congressmen and senator was saying "these are just peaceful protests".

Storming the capitol building was a bad thing to do, and should not have occurred, but politicians are using this event to pander fear. The amount of individuals who actually got inside was very few, and even fewer those that caused actual chaos (like 4 or 5 people?) - most of the protestors remained outside and were pretty peaceful.
1. The central building of a republic is not the same as a small section of a city. 2. President Donald Trump was responsible for the escalation of events after George Floyd's death. 3. Politicians were inside and feared for losing their lives. If someone tries to kill you, that is attempted murder and worse when you are carrying out a governmental task.

I think if Trump supporters (I'm not talking about Republicans) believe that the majority of Americans voted for Trump, then they are just plain wrong. Most Americans did not vote for him. That will be proven if and/or when proper investigation conducted according to laws of the USA is undertaken. Perhaps Americans erred in not following through with investigating evidence of Soviet involvement with Donald Trump's campaign 4 years ago. Maybe that is why President Trump is paranoid about voter fraud in the 2020 election because he may be all too familiar with how it is done.
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1. The central building of a republic is not the same as a small section of a city. 2. President Donald Trump was responsible for the escalation of events after George Floyd's death. 3. Politicians were inside and feared for losing their lives. If someone tries to kill you, that is attempted murder and worse when you are carrying out a governmental task.

I think if Trump supporters (I'm not talking about Republicans) believe that the majority of Americans voted for Trump, then they are just plain wrong. Most Americans did not vote for him. That will be proven if and/or when proper investigation conducted according to laws of the USA is undertaken. Perhaps Americans erred in not following through with investigating evidence of Soviet involvement with Donald Trump's campaign 4 years ago. Maybe that is why President Trump is paranoid about voter fraud in the 2020 election because he may be all too familiar with how it is done.
I don't think the people who saw their homes destroyed, and their businesses looted and ransacked would agree with you. I think people's homes, where they sleep, where they make a living to feed their families, is what should be treated as sacred - not some government building.

I honestly find it funny that someone would buy into the lie that somehow, a government building has more value than someone's home. If you were not outraged by the antifa/BLM destruction, you can't expect us to believe your "fake" outrage at this.
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I don't think the people who saw their homes destroyed, and their businesses looted and ransacked would agree with you. I think people's homes, where they sleep, where they make a living to feed their families, is what should be treated as sacred - not some government building.

I honestly find it funny that someone would buy into the lie that somehow, a government building has more value than someone's home. If you were not outraged by the antifa/BLM destruction, you can't expect us to believe your "fake" outrage at this.
It's not just some government building. You don't seem to understand that. The building makes an individual's home possible. A republic makes the enjoyment of life in the Republic possible. The Republic made the internet possible.
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Well said.


Twitter, Facebook, Instagram control the narrative while Google controls the answers to any questions.

They now believe they can define what happened on January 6, 2021 with impunity and we will accept their lies as truth.

This was all Trump's fault. We know this because for the past 4 years, we have been told everything is Trump's fault. And I would wager, they will tell us for the next 100 yrs that everything is Trump's fault. As a matter of fact, when someone writes the acknowledged history of the United States of America's Second Civil War, it will be Trump's fault as well.

One can be forgiven for thinking security was purposely left deficient and unarmed to provoke what might happen should a sampling of Antifa intermixed within the mostly peaceful crowd be successful at impelling the desired riot.

No security as ordered by the Dem Commie Mayor Bowset — what a surprise. It's almost as if they wanted this. Yet they still managed to kill a woman by shooting through a door. Ashli Babbitt was a a Trump-supporter so the media call her a terrorist, an invader, an intruder.

I also noticed how polite most of the 'dangerous terrorists' were who did get into the building, staying within the velvet ropes, looking at the majestic statues that line the marbled hallways of state. They were in such awe that, unlike a gender studies major in a mask from this summer's riots, they elected not to overturn a single statue in the building they invaded with such respect —---------------

the ruthless bastards.



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People seem more upset about the double standard.

When BLM/Antifa were rioting, looting, murdering and destroying entire cities, and building their own autonomous zone outside the rule of law, every democrat congressmen and senator was saying "these are just peaceful protests".

Storming the capitol building was a bad thing to do, and should not have occurred, but politicians are using this event to pander fear. The amount of individuals who actually got inside was very few, and even fewer those that caused actual chaos (like 4 or 5 people?) - most of the protestors remained outside and were pretty peaceful.
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We were not told everything was Trump's fault. We read his tweets. We know firsthand it was his fault. At least those of us with sound reasoning ability.
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They did NO damage to the building. Except the Antifa thugs who smashed some windows. Many of them walked right through the front door escorted by the police. They took selfies sitting at Pelosi's desk!
They smoked weed, went to the washroom, walked around putting MAGA hats on the statues but they didn't destroy them.

The REAL crime. They are Trump Patriots protesting. That's not allowed....& while they shouldn't have entered the building, it doesn't even begin to compare with the anarchy destruction, burning, rioting, killing by the Left mobs. They are still called 'mostly peaceful protests' by the fake news & the corrupt Dems....even as they smash & destroy & attack in Portland TODAY!


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I don't think the people who saw their homes destroyed, and their businesses looted and ransacked would agree with you. I think people's homes, where they sleep, where they make a living to feed their families, is what should be treated as sacred - not some government building.

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It's not just some government building. You don't seem to understand that. The building makes an individual's home possible. A republic makes the enjoyment of life in the Republic possible. The Republic made the internet possible.
Individuals make the Republic possible. You are putting your government, above your own life, and the lives of your fellow citizens.

BLM destroyed the lives of thousands of people, devastated entire cities. Democrats and most of their supporters didn't care. A few people entered the capitol building, and stole speaker Pelocy's laptop. Democrats are outraged.

Have you considered the reason why they are so enraged, is because this is the first time an actual protest affected politicians only?
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Establishment Hypocrisy over Antifa-BLM Riots

https://youtu.be/m6R2eqofe38




Antifa doesn't exist according to the Dems, it's just an idea.

Except they attacked federal court buildings, threw molotov cocktails at police, burned down entire blocks of buildings, attacked an ICE facility, burned it to the ground & killed law enforcement officers incl 2 retired police officers. BLM rioted & looted all summer & the police were ordered to 'stand down'. Nobody was shot at but Trump Patriot Ashli had to be gunned down as she tried to enter through a broken window with no weapons.
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Individuals make the Republic possible. You are putting your government, above your own life, and the lives of your fellow citizens.

BLM destroyed the lives of thousands of people, devastated entire cities. Democrats and most of their supporters didn't care. A few people entered the capitol building, and stole speaker Pelocy's laptop. Democrats are outraged.

Have you considered the reason why they are so enraged, is because this is the first time an actual protest affected politicians only?
Your interpretation is interesting, so let me try to be more clear. The republic exists for the benefit of it's peoples. People are more likely to prosper if the Republic prospers. It is the center which everything branches out from. The branches can be nipped in places, but the center can replace it and grow more branches. It is very important that it be protected for when it dies, all the branches die. I would give my life to protect the center, so all the other branches can continue to exist and other branches can grow.

Black Lives Matter was not the cause of the riots that happened last year. Your accusations are groundless. Your characterization of Wednesday's events make light of Wednesday's events. Why bother? We all saw the footage. From what I have seen, to most Americans, support of Wednesday's activity is advocacy of insurrection and treason.
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Your interpretation is interesting, so let me try to be more clear. The republic exists for the benefit of it's peoples. People are more likely to prosper if the Republic prospers. It is the center which everything branches out from. The branches can be nipped in places, but the center can replace it and grow more branches. It is very important that it be protected for when it dies, all the branches die. I would give my life to protect the center, so all the other branches can continue to exist and other branches can grow.
That is a very poetic statement, but basically, you are willing to throw away your life and the lives of others to protect a system, which half of your country believes is corrupted. And your statement would be correct if people were prospering. They are not. Thanks to the very system itself - which allowed for the destruction and looting of citizens homes.

If politicians are willing to let riots destroy the property of normal citizens, then you don't really have a "republic" anymore. You just have a corrupted system.

What are the 3 basic human rights? life, liberty and property. All three have been infringed by the democrat party, before and after the BLM/Antifa riots.
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Establishment Hypocrisy over Antifa-BLM Riots

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Antifa doesn't exist according to the Dems, it's just an idea.

Except they attacked federal court buildings, threw molotov cocktails at police, burned down entire blocks of buildings, attacked an ICE facility, burned it to the ground & killed law enforcement officers incl 2 retired police officers. BLM rioted & looted all summer & the police were ordered to 'stand down'. Nobody was shot at but Trump Patriot Ashli had to be gunned down as she tried to enter through a broken window with no weapons.
I suppose anyone can say they represent an organization when they don't just like anyone can say they represent an organization and they do. If you get caught and connections are proven, then that is proof. I recall seeing proof given of Right Wing groups causing mayhem after George Floyd's killing. Before their connections were proven, people claimed they were associated with Antifa and Black Lives Matter.

Your statement about Antifa and democrats is incorrect by way of generalization.
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That is a very poetic statement, but basically, you are willing to throw away your life and the lives of others to protect a system, which half of your country believes is corrupted. And your statement would be correct if people were prospering. They are not. Thanks to the very system itself - which allowed for the destruction and looting of citizens homes.

If politicians are willing to let riots destroy the property of normal citizens, then you don't really have a "republic" anymore. You just have a corrupted system.

What are the 3 basic human rights? life, liberty and property. All three have been infringed by the democrat party, before and after the BLM/Antifa riots.
Um,...people are prospering (my statement was just as general as yours). By system do you mean the last 4 years? We were doing better before we had a President who said at least 100,000 people has to die before he would take a virus seriously. This in comparison to Viet Nam who took the virus seriously from the beginning and worked hard to lose no one to the virus.

Riots that would not have occurred without incendiary words from the President.

For U.S. citizens the 3 rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness - The Declaration of Independence 1776.

Our Republic still stands and millions of American will do their best to make sure it continues well into the future.
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Um,...people are prospering (my statement was just as general as yours). By system do you mean the last 4 years? We were doing better before we had a President who said at least 100,000 people has to die before he would take a virus seriously. This in comparison to Viet Nam who took the virus seriously from the beginning and worked hard to lose no one to the virus.

Riots that would not have occurred without incendiary words from the President.
I mean this last year, when the restriction of liberty destroyed the lives of millions of individuals. When politicians allowed the life and property of thousands of people to be ransacked, and then downplayed the issue for political gain.

You don't think that loosing your place of business has an effect in your life? Do you think BLM riots were "peaceful"?
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For U.S. citizens the 3 rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness - The Declaration of Independence 1776.

Our Republic still stands and millions of American will do their best to make sure it continues well into the future.
The idea of natural rights (life, liberty and property) come from John Locke -who had a clear influence over Thomas Jefferson, who drafted the declaration. "Pursuit of Happiness" does look much better though, but it is established that property rights exist within that category.

Property rights are protected under your constitution are they not? So why did democrats downplayed the destruction of property? Isn't their role to do so under a Republic?

I'm sure millions will do their best - I have no doubts about that.
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Patriot Ashli. (You can’t hear the incredulous bitter laughter) Patriot Ashli?
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Amen to that. Just looking at the figures where Biden won counties at 300%. That's literally 3 times the people in the county. They went way overboard in the fake voting. Not to mention catching the voting dump on camera after hours with ballots that only had Biden's name colored in and nothing else filled in. The fraud automatically dismisses Biden from the running.
Don't let these other people get you down. They believe whatever they're told by sources who have the same script and don't question it. Trump shut down the boarders and were sending self employed foreigners home to stop the human trafficking that none of our news mentions has been prevalent forever. They went with racism as the reason for the masses. New reform is happening where places, including my work, has to be on the lookout for human trafficking. Over half a million children go missing in this country every year and nobody says a thing. So many people are going to jail. This trafficking goes all the way up to the highest positions. FCC sent out an alert to all broadcasters reminding them that they MUST comply with the Emergency Alert System. The next week and a half will be interesting.
So with all of the lawsuits filed by Trump supporters contesting election results, why were all of them thrown out by judges?? This is something like 50-60 lawsuits and 90 judges, as higher courts typically have several members (like 9 on the Supreme Court.)

You need to be more insightful about what you are reading-- or soaking up from YouTube.
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A few Trump supporters trespassed into the US capital and the FBI managed to find the guy who sat on House speaker Nancy Pelosi's desk, some of them are armed and had grenades, knives or batons, and I saw a few confederate flags fly in the crowd along with Neo-Nazis and white nationalists were involved in the riot. I'm sure the majority of them were peaceful and law-abiding, but what I saw on Wed. is shocking and unacceptable regardless of the political positions and beliefs the protesters were. This is unprecedented, we had the 1812 war, the US civil war, the Great Depression and the radical 1960s when there were mobs took over city halls, county halls, state capitals and colleges/universities, but I never thought the heavily secure and patrolled US capitol will have a raid like this.
I agree. The people who trashed Capitol property, breaking windows and ransacking offices, were criminals.

The people flying Confederate flags in the Capitol hate the United States.

The Neo-Nazis in the crowd wore shirts with slogans like "Six Million Wasn't Enough" and "Camp Auschwitz."

Our founding fathers, having grown up under the British monarchy, wanted nothing to do with cult leaders-- or this kind of insanity.
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The Trumpers refuse to acknowledge:

1. Multiple states went through recounts and hand-counts prior to certification. Each state has its own procedures. You can look them up here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electi..._United_States
https://www.ncsl.org/research/electi...-overview.aspx

2. Multiple states with contested results had the same voting procedures in place as states that went for Trump. Yet none of the Trumpers demanded recounts in Montana, &c.

3. Some states alleged to have flawed voting procedures followed procedures previously voted into law by Republican legislators. None of them introduced bills prior to Election Day to change the procedures.

4. Each state has its own laws for recounts and audits. It would take an act of states' legislatures to change those rules to suit the Trumpers.
https://ballotpedia.org/Election_rec...0_states,_2020 (And Dirius, I drew this to your attention previously. So no pass.)

5. None of the many court cases filed against state election officials and procedures succeeded. Primarily due to lack of evidence or lack of standing (e. g. meddling.) Judges repeatedly rebuked the Republican legal teams for their lack of hard evidence supporting their allegations.

6. The same disputed ballots for president included successful elections for many down-ballot Republicans. One cannot redo or audit just the presidential portion of the ballot without calling their election victories into question.

7. In the Wisconsin recount, Biden actually picked up more votes than he was previously allocated.

And no--there is no credible evidence of Antifa involvement in Wednesday's coup attempt.
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Re: Trump Supporters Peacefully Demonstrate at the U.S. Capitol

Blackbery, you're basically arguing that two wrongs make a right.

I. e., any law-breaking committed by Trumpers is fully justified by your allegations about Antifa.

I don't think so.
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Re: Trump Supporters Peacefully Demonstrate at the U.S. Capitol

Here are some general overview summaries of the 60 or so failed lawsuits filed on behalf of Donald Trump's re-election bid. I did hear that maybe one of them succeeded but it was too minor to affect any election outcome.

Note that many judges are themselves Republicans and some were appointed by Donald Trump (like 3 on the Supreme Court.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-e...ntial_election

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...esults-2020-11

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/ne...rs/4130307001/

I especially recommend the USA Today analysis.
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