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Children with the Sun in the twelfth house are bullied at school. There are few exceptions to this even though they themselves may never speak about it because they are sad and ashamed.
People with Mars in the twelfth, are bullied by those close to them, particularly sexual partners. Hindu astrologers give Mars in the twelfth house kujadosha status for this reason and consider it very seriously when looking at marriage charts. I am asking Sudhiranad to tell us a bit more about this.
smilingsteph said:When analyzing any chart it is obvious to look at the sun and moon, Kingsley. However it is the need to look at the sun, moon and the planets involved with power and agression, in their negative state, which would be pluto and mars.
inhuman_meow said:I was looking around the internet and I saw:
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Children with the Sun in the twelfth house are bullied at school. There are few exceptions to this even though they themselves may never speak about it because they are sad and ashamed.
Kingsley said:This is the chart of a Bully. He does tend to get into others personal space and has quite negative things to say about others. In fact, the way he might relate (get close) with others is to put them down.
What are at least two sets of aspect functions that are obvious for bullying in this chart?
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What are at least two sets of aspect functions that are obvious for bullying in this chart?
:/ usually they don't make me feel worthless but i find it very difficult and stand up for myself. and when i do it makes it no better that they all gang up on me. my physical stature isn't very large.Shining Ray said:Inhuman meow - Good point on the 12th house planets. I have read the Sun in 12th can indicate inferiority feelings and poor self esteem. Early messages can revolve around feelings of a person having no right to exist. I suppose that is how bully's make the 12th house person feel. In Tracy Marks 12th house book, she says that "low self esteem can fuel self defeating behaviors, and that these people can have internal negative messages and can put themselves in situations that prove that they are unworthy and may put themselves in humiliating situations."
i guess that would explain some of it...Undertoad - I would think a lack of fire also for the victim, and Pluto I would think issues of power, how power is used, some feel dominated in their lives with Pluto others are the dominate ones. I would think Mars for bully's is a mis use of Mars. Victims don't seem to be able to use their Mars and powers of assertion and the ability to fight back. While bully's have no problem asserting themselves, maybe they have lots of fire and a dominant Mars. Mars unaspected - I have read gets locked down in the basement of the chart, doesn't get to interact with the other planets, and so Mars may overreact to make itself known. Usually it can lie dormant until a transit or another person triggers it off.
Chanvayu - Yes I would think someone with the ability to express themselves, with lots of fire would put a more forceful energy out there. Not as timid. Mars and Pluto does show up a lot in power battles.