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Ok, the title of this thread makes me sound very egotistical, but I don't mean to come across like that! The other day I was reading a forum on another website that mentioned Saturn in the first house and Pluto in the ninth house as 'powerful' placements in terms of leadership etc. Is this true for me in relation to the rest of my chart?
Would be interesting to know whether you are called on to lead others in daily life or not
Ok, the title of this thread makes me sound very egotistical,
but I don't mean to come across like that!
The other day I was reading a forum on another website that mentioned Saturn in the first house
and Pluto in the ninth house as 'powerful' placements in terms of leadership etc.
Is this true for me in relation to the rest of my chart?
I actually have an eighth house mars in scorpio, and jupiter conjunct MC on my ninth house cusp! And I have a 7th house sun and venus, and an 8th house moon. But thanks so much for the reply anyway! And yes you're definitely right about first house saturn being a mixed bag... a VERY mixed bag!
dr. farr has more than fifty years of astrological experience and study completedAh ok, I see! I'm so sorry for not reading your reply properly.
Thank you for the new information!
I'll look up the whole house system right now!
Cusps:
Today
(and for the past thousand years or so)
we define cusps as "borders" (coasts),
but that is not the original meaning of the word "cusp":
it means "point"
such as cuspal teeth (bicuspids)
and the point of a sword
-so originally the term cusp meant the "point" of something,
and in astrology originally the "cusp" of the house meant its "point";
now, when quadrant systems were developed,
this "point" of the house came to mean its "beginning",
which later came to mean its "border",
ie, the "border" between one house and the other.
And later astrology also began using these "borders" (cusps)
for various prognostic applications
(Charles Carter came to believe that, for timing of events,
the "cusps" of the Campanus house system gave the best results,
among the various quadrant house systems)
But now notice this:
in whole sign the cusps are NOT the 0 degree "borders" of sign/houses at all,
and never were so regarded!
In whole sign, the "cusp" retained its original meaning,
not as a "border"
but rather as A POINT
-and that POINT (cusp) for EACH house, was the sensitive point of that house,
viz, the sensitive point in whole sign houses
-each house-
that is the "cusp" of each house
-is a direct projection from the ascending degree.
Example:
-the ascending degree of a chart is 18 Taurus:
what are the house cusps
(sensitive points, original meaning of the word "cusp")
in the whole sign houses of this chart?
Cusp of 1st house = 18 Taurus
Cusp of 2nd house = 18 Gemini
Cusp of 3rd house = 18 Cancer
Cusp of 4th house = 18 Leo
Cusp of 5th house = 18 Virgo
Cusp of 6th house = 18 Libra
Cusp of 7th house = 18 Scorpio
Cusp of 8th house = 18 Sagittarius
Cusp of 9th house = 18 Capricorn
Cusp of 10th house = 18 Aquarius
Cusp of 11th house = 18 Pisces
Cusp of 12th house = 18 Aries
Now it is these "cusps"
(sensitive degrees, original meaning of the word "cusp" as a "point")
that are
(and were)
used for progressions,
timing of events, etc,
and the fact is that they work for these purposes, quite well (in expert hands)
Whole sign does not use the BORDERS between houses (always 0 degree of any sign) for anything,
but it DOES use "cusps"
(points in the house, projected from the exact ascending degree)
for timing (and other) delineative purposes.
Whole sign suddenly vanished
(both in the West and in Vedic astrology)
during the same period of time
-ie, late 8th to early 9th century-
this sudden disappearance suggests a sudden turn in astrological thinking and practices,
rather than a gradual supplanting of a less effective traditional method (whole sign)
by a new and more effective method (rheotrius/alchabitius in the West,
and the closely related to whole sign Equal house, in Vedic astrology)
I quite agree with Waybread in the statement, "so what?" (if old time astrologers did or didn't do something)
For me, there is only 1 reason I switched to whole sign
-it worked better (FOR ME)
I could care less if it were the oldest house system (which it is)
or
whether it was invented by Badda Bing at Barney's Beanery in Bayonne, 10 years ago:
only things I consider are:
-does it seem to make sense?
-does it "taste good" to me (ie, does it "feel right" to me)
-and, if yes to the above, does it work
(producing delineations and predicitions)
better than what I have previously been doing?
Well, whole sign did all that, for me,
so I switched;
but I am not going to try to convince anyone of anything about it,
except for beginners
-to you who might just be starting out,
I would say: try whole sign first,
and see how well it might work for you...
Ok, the title of this thread makes me sound very egotistical, but I don't mean to come across like that! The other day I was reading a forum on another website that mentioned Saturn in the first house and Pluto in the ninth house as 'powerful' placements in terms of leadership etc. Is this true for me in relation to the rest of my chart?
Thank you so much for giving me such a comprehensive reply! Hmm, I'm currently studying languages (French and Irish) in University. Ironically though I don't enjoy travelling that much; I think that has something to do with having natal Pluto in my ninth house. I'm not gonna lie, it often crosses my mind how much I'd love to be well known in regard to my career, and I'd describe myself as an ambitious person with a decent amount of self-motivation. I feel delusional to a certain degree saying that the idea of fame appeals to me... but it does! And yes, you couldn't be more accurate about my mood constantly peaking and dipping and being very Libra- I'm indecisive to my core! I can barely decide what to eat for breakfast in the morning xD
no, I do NOT consider Neptune, Uranus or Pluto to be dispositors ("rulers") of any sign
-but yes I do consider them to be affinitive to certain signs and dissonant with other signs:
for me, if X planet is in, say, Aquarius,
then I consider SATURN to be dispositor of that planet,
PLUS
I consider Uranus to have a relationship to that planet as well
(because of the affinity of Uranus with Aquarius),
but NOT at the same level
(the level of dispositorship) that Saturn has.
Honestly I have no idea what I wanna be yet! My indecisiveness shining right through Haha, hopefully I'll be like you and take more to travelling when I'm older and wiser Actually, would you mind me asking, what is so fortunate about having 5 planets in their own sign/rulership?
Rulership is only one of several different forms of dignity that a planet may have
Honestly I have no idea what I wanna be yet!
My indecisiveness shining right through
Haha, hopefully I'll be like you and take more to travelling when I'm older and wiser
Actually, would you mind me asking,
what is so fortunate about having 5 planets in their own sign/rulership?