Antiscia by Transit and Dignities

Kite

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My Saturn is Peregrine however it's antiscia point is at 22 Capricorn. Would this help Saturn with it's Peregrine status since it would now be in its domicile?

Also, the upcoming Saturn/Pluto conjunction is partile to this placement and occurring in my 12th house. I've seen some references to transits to antiscia points bringing out what is hidden into the open. Given the double whammy of antiscia and 12, I would think it would have to be a pretty powerful transit to make this happen. I think Saturn/Pluto would qualify and I have been feeling the heaviness/penetration as a kind of free-floating anxiety.

Any thoughts on this?
 
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petosiris

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The Saturn/What conjunction?

Oh no, the sheriff of the :smile: police is coming to get you now. :sad:

Btw, Saturn in Sagittarius is operative according to Ptolemy, because of diurnal rulers.
 
Kite

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petosiris said:
The Saturn/What conjunction?

Oh no, the sheriff of the :smile: police is coming to get you now. :sad:

Btw, Saturn in Sagittarius is operative according to Ptolemy, because of diurnal rulers.
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Okay so think Antiscia Saturn return. My Sag Saturn is in Hayz as well. How do you define operative?
 
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petosiris

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Kite said:
Okay so think Antiscia Saturn return. My Sag Saturn is in Hayz as well. How do you define operative?
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Inoperative planets include cadent planets, planets under the rays, evening retrograde planets and planets in fall, some Hellenistic authors include planets in houses, exaltations, triplicities and terms of the opposite sect to this group.

Operative planets include anything else, but I use an additional term ''powerful'' to designate the most operative of them - rising and culminating planets, morning direct and planets in their own houses, exaltations, triplicities and terms. Some called the middle group ''semi-operative'' and what I call powerful/dignified planets ''operative''.

This makes more sense to me personally than medieval and renaissance rules of peregrination.
 
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petosiris

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Though, Saturn is in triplicity in Sagittarius according to some. So even if we go by the later definition of peregrination, it may not be according to some.
 
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petosiris said:
Inoperative planets include cadent planets, planets under the rays, evening retrograde planets and planets in fall, some Hellenistic authors include planets in houses, exaltations, triplicities and terms of the opposite sect to this group.

Operative planets include anything else, but I use an additional term ''powerful'' to designate the most operative of them - rising and culminating planets, morning direct and planets in their own houses, exaltations, triplicities and terms. Some called the middle group ''semi-operative'' and what I call powerful/dignified planets ''operative''.

This makes more sense to me personally than medieval and renaissance rules of peregrination.
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My Saturn is within 13 degrees to my Sun so technically would also be under the rays, no? So back to my original question, can you pick up dignity with an antiscia position?
 
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petosiris

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Kite said:
My Saturn is within 13 degrees to my Sun so technically would also be under the rays, no?
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If you want to follow the Ptolemaic way that is more truthful to reality - it depends - https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=125928

Most astrologers used 15 degrees so technically it could be, some would take into account the fact that it is rising not setting. For the record I personally no longer consider planets under the rays as weak, I mentioned it only for completeness and for comparison with the tradition.

So back to my original question, can you pick up dignity with an antiscia position?
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First time I've ever heard of it, though I am most familiar with Hellenistic astrology, in which almost all authors except Firmicus use them sparsely and only to modify interpretation of aspects in sextile and trine that are equally displaced from the solstices (either due to a sidereal zodiac as in most authors or due to a whole sign consideration as in Ptolemy). It isn't widely known, but the antiscia according to the majority of Hellenistic astrologers of Sagittarius is Aquarius, not Capricorn.
 
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