Cypocryphy
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I don't really know what you mean when you say the 3rd house relates to 'the concrete mind'.
Yes. That is a vague phrase. The phrase "concrete mind" signifies the experiences found within the third house, that being the interpretation of one's environment through the process of "mind," by forming in our minds our views and understandings regarding immediate environment.
Let me give you a couple of specific example of how I'm thinking.
I see 'my' 12th as basically private stuff; my meditation, my dreams, my expenditure, my isolation.
However if I chose to share what 'arises' from or within 'my' 12th, (as I often do, as my 12th ruler is in the 11th) then it becomes something that enters the domain of others.
Sure. I understand what you are saying, and I do not mean to come off as someone merely parroting the words or beliefs of others, though that is, in a sense, what I am really doing. Personally, my own view is that the ascendant should be 15º of the first house, which would entail that current 12 house planetary placements would actually be in the first house, which would make it quite personal indeed.
But to come to your point, which is that your experiences in the 12th house are personal as long as you choose not to share your experiences. But is this really true? Do you meditate to be alone or do you do so to connect with something more than yourself? Even if you do meditate to achieve personal quiet time, if you do it long enough, you'll find that you are not alone. If you meditate correctly, in time, you will find that you are with hundreds—no, thousands. If done correctly, you will find a city of counsel.
I understand that this is a house traditionally regarded as one's personal unconscious garbage heap, even someone's own personal hell. But many modern astrologers have found that a way in transcending these personal upheavals or unpleasantries is to engage in altruism, to commit one's self to something greater than the self whereby one can help others. And in this sense, the house and its impact on you is no longer personal. So it has that side to it, it seems.
Very often, when someone goes to prison, thier contacts with the outer (public) world begin to dwindle or wither. This is a very common situation.
So here is the issue of prison (mental institution, hospital, etc.) The underlying principle or energy of the house, the way I see it, is difficult social circumstances. These are unpleasantries on a group level, a collective experience of negativity that you are associated with. And of course, there is the opposite condition, where there can be experiences in which the collective group, that being society, seeks to rescue an individual from harm or from harming his or herself by admitting or committing the individual to a hospital or asylum.
Most of these houses have many fields of experience, which is why I think it is important to look at the house as a whole, its underlying energy pattern, to understand whether it is an experience that projects the individual outward or inward.
Maybe this is not best explanation of my own view, but it is all I have right now at this late hour.
I do see what you are saying, however. What I think you are saying (and do tell me if I am wrong) is that it is not necessarily a public house if all experiences within the house have been private so far.
That would be bad.If I (for some reason) decide to lock my children in a basement for 30 years, that's a very different situation to, say, if I was one of those crazy child beauty pageant moms, touring the US with my little plastified darlings in tow.