tsmall
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It's enough to make your head spin.
Per this thread
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64722
It seemed prudent to go back to the natal charts and see what, if anything showed there to support the judgement of the horary chart since horary cannot bring what is not promised natally.
I already know that Saturn is active in his chart because this is a sixth house profection year for my husband and while Saturn is not the Year Lord (Mercury gets that honor) Saturn is important because natally he is in the 6th.
After fooling around with Oracle all day I couldn't get a chart that made any sense to me (I'm sure that is user error) and so have posted the Annual Profection chart using Morinus.
Here is what stands out to me.
In the radix chart Saturn is the ruler of the ASC, as well as the Almuten of the 2nd house. I believe, though I'm probably incorrect, that when a planet is "activated" it activates the houses it rules as well as the house it is in. So 1st, 2nd, and 6th, with the 10th house as well since Saturn is the exaltation ruler of Libra.
The back story is on the other thread, but already we can see a theme emerging. 1st, 2nd, and 10th are easily understood, but the 6th sort of leads you to want to think illness. So insert first question. Each house means several different things and al-Qabisi says that we are to look at the triplicity rulers to determine how they will fare. The 6th house represents the native's illness, slaves, and beasts. The 1st triplicity ruler tells about illness, the second about slaves and domestics, and the third what will come to the native because of those. Is there a way to "fine tune" the significations of the houses to determine which of these will be affected? I guess the question is, does the signifying triplicity ruler need to be activated as well?
As Lord of the Year, Mercury brings the 6th, the 9th, and the 11th (since he is posited in the 11th.)
This year (that started in November of 2012) the SR ASC is in Sagittaruis, naming Jupiter as SR ruler. Jupiter in the natal is in domicile, in the 12th ruling the 12th, 3rd, and is exaltation ruler of the 7th. As a side note, I think Jupiter's position here is why we have a zoo in the first place.
Next we move on to see what all these planets are doing in the SR chart.
Masha'Alla says that when Mercury is Lord of the Year, if he is direct and under the regard of benefics it's a banner year.
Persian Nativities
Well, that looks pretty cool, and seems to support at least in part the answer on the horary thread. However.
Mercury is stationary retrograde in the SR chart, in the ascendant and Mars is conjunct the SR ASC. Mercury opposes Jupiter by sign, and they are in Mutual Reception, with Jupiter retrograde and clinging to the descendant. Masha'Alla says that when Mercury is retrograde, burned or unlucky as Lord of the Year
Ok. Business partners, employees, lawsuit. These ancient astrologers really knew what they were talking about.
Masha'Alla does caution us to look to the dignity Mercury has in the SR chart, whether he is in an human sign, and if it is an Earth sign, etc.
Well, the first part of Sagittarius is an human sign of the fire triplicity.
What is Saturn doing? Nothing much. Just applying to a conjunction with the natal MC and then the Sun while at the same time opposing the natal Moon. As a bonus, Saturn is going to station regtrograde, back up and hit them all again before moving direct for a third shot.
Already this is looking like a not so nice year. And that just about sums it up so far. So the question becomes, since we know the worst Masha'Alla has written about happened, how do we judge if it will be reversed?
Per this thread
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64722
It seemed prudent to go back to the natal charts and see what, if anything showed there to support the judgement of the horary chart since horary cannot bring what is not promised natally.
I already know that Saturn is active in his chart because this is a sixth house profection year for my husband and while Saturn is not the Year Lord (Mercury gets that honor) Saturn is important because natally he is in the 6th.
After fooling around with Oracle all day I couldn't get a chart that made any sense to me (I'm sure that is user error) and so have posted the Annual Profection chart using Morinus.
Here is what stands out to me.
In the radix chart Saturn is the ruler of the ASC, as well as the Almuten of the 2nd house. I believe, though I'm probably incorrect, that when a planet is "activated" it activates the houses it rules as well as the house it is in. So 1st, 2nd, and 6th, with the 10th house as well since Saturn is the exaltation ruler of Libra.
The back story is on the other thread, but already we can see a theme emerging. 1st, 2nd, and 10th are easily understood, but the 6th sort of leads you to want to think illness. So insert first question. Each house means several different things and al-Qabisi says that we are to look at the triplicity rulers to determine how they will fare. The 6th house represents the native's illness, slaves, and beasts. The 1st triplicity ruler tells about illness, the second about slaves and domestics, and the third what will come to the native because of those. Is there a way to "fine tune" the significations of the houses to determine which of these will be affected? I guess the question is, does the signifying triplicity ruler need to be activated as well?
As Lord of the Year, Mercury brings the 6th, the 9th, and the 11th (since he is posited in the 11th.)
This year (that started in November of 2012) the SR ASC is in Sagittaruis, naming Jupiter as SR ruler. Jupiter in the natal is in domicile, in the 12th ruling the 12th, 3rd, and is exaltation ruler of the 7th. As a side note, I think Jupiter's position here is why we have a zoo in the first place.
Next we move on to see what all these planets are doing in the SR chart.
Masha'Alla says that when Mercury is Lord of the Year, if he is direct and under the regard of benefics it's a banner year.
it heaps much money in that year, greatly increases prudence, satisfies with the fruit of teachings and controversies and finally it furnishes victory in every business.
Persian Nativities
Well, that looks pretty cool, and seems to support at least in part the answer on the horary thread. However.
Mercury is stationary retrograde in the SR chart, in the ascendant and Mars is conjunct the SR ASC. Mercury opposes Jupiter by sign, and they are in Mutual Reception, with Jupiter retrograde and clinging to the descendant. Masha'Alla says that when Mercury is retrograde, burned or unlucky as Lord of the Year
predicts an unlucky year and instills detriment from everywhere. The regard of the malevolents is to be feared, since it greatly increases losses...and finally this trouble is entitled to come in through a partnership, slaves, controversy...
Ok. Business partners, employees, lawsuit. These ancient astrologers really knew what they were talking about.
Masha'Alla does caution us to look to the dignity Mercury has in the SR chart, whether he is in an human sign, and if it is an Earth sign, etc.
Well, the first part of Sagittarius is an human sign of the fire triplicity.
What is Saturn doing? Nothing much. Just applying to a conjunction with the natal MC and then the Sun while at the same time opposing the natal Moon. As a bonus, Saturn is going to station regtrograde, back up and hit them all again before moving direct for a third shot.
Already this is looking like a not so nice year. And that just about sums it up so far. So the question becomes, since we know the worst Masha'Alla has written about happened, how do we judge if it will be reversed?