tsmall
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I stated earlier on this thread the the real question of death prediction needs to be...why? Why would any astrologer attempt it? Why is the client asking for it? And would you be harming or helping by answering?
Let's play pretend. Pretend that you have a really great friend, whose mother has been diagnosed with ALS. There is absolutely no cure for this disease..it is 100% terminal. Let's further pretend that your friend, who knows that you are newly studying astrology, asks you point blank...when? Because she is a young mother with a career and yet is the primary care taker for her mom...and struggling with it. Do I give up my career to care for my Mom? Do I neglect my daughter's needs to meet hers? Do I drop out of my advanced college classes? Because even though ALS is 100% terminal, no one in the medical field can predict how long it will take. There is estate planning to consider, and then there is all the rest. Once it's over, what will I do? How do I make sure to plan for the future (that Prescience is Useful) while dealing with the now?
Are you familiar with ALS? It robs the body of the ability to function by attacking all the muscles, yet keeps the brain in tact. You loose the ability to move, to go to the bathroom, to speak...to swallow...and the entire time your brain works as it always did.
I didn't know as a beginner that we aren't supposed to look for death in the chart...and I was further impeded because we had only the daughter's chart and not her mother's. I found the date within 3 weeks. Not a great prediction by any means, because it wasn't accurate. What did it do though?
It kept my friend engaged in her life outside of her mom's disease. It created a sense of urgency (because usually from diagnosis to death ALS takes at minimum 5 years, and in this instance it was one year.) And most of all, it brought comfort.
Would I do it again, knowing now what I didn't know then? Probably not unless the circumstances were the same...as in knowing would actually help for legacy planning, and that there was no hope with an illness that has no miracle answers. There are so many diseases that we are able to either find a cure for or at least prolong life with...this is not one of them.
It all comes down to just this. Why is the client asking? How sure are you of the answer? If there is anything sketchy about either of those, then keep the information to yourself. It's like the medical creed with Hippocrates...except back in those days, well, I'd believe this applied to astrologers as well, since they were intertwined.
"I swear by Apollo the physician, and Asclepius, and Hygieia and Panacea and all the gods and goddesses as my witnesses, that, according to my ability and judgement, I will keep this Oath and this contract:
To hold him who taught me this art equally dear to me as my parents, to be a partner in life with him, and to fulfill his needs when required; to look upon his offspring as equals to my own siblings, and to teach them this art, if they shall wish to learn it, without fee or contract; and that by the set rules, lectures, and every other mode of instruction, I will impart a knowledge of the art to my own sons, and those of my teachers, and to students bound by this contract and having sworn this Oath to the law of medicine, but to no others.
I will use those dietary regimens which will benefit my patients according to my greatest ability and judgement, and I will do no harm or injustice to them.
I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.
In purity and according to divine law will I carry out my life and my art.
I will not use the knife, even upon those suffering from stones, but I will leave this to those who are trained in this craft.
Into whatever homes I go, I will enter them for the benefit of the sick, avoiding any voluntary act of impropriety or corruption, including the seduction of women or men, whether they are free men or slaves.
Whatever I see or hear in the lives of my patients, whether in connection with my professional practice or not, which ought not to be spoken of outside, I will keep secret, as considering all such things to be private.
So long as I maintain this Oath faithfully and without corruption, may it be granted to me to partake of life fully and the practice of my art, gaining the respect of all men for all time. However, should I transgress this Oath and violate it, may the opposite be my fate."
Let's play pretend. Pretend that you have a really great friend, whose mother has been diagnosed with ALS. There is absolutely no cure for this disease..it is 100% terminal. Let's further pretend that your friend, who knows that you are newly studying astrology, asks you point blank...when? Because she is a young mother with a career and yet is the primary care taker for her mom...and struggling with it. Do I give up my career to care for my Mom? Do I neglect my daughter's needs to meet hers? Do I drop out of my advanced college classes? Because even though ALS is 100% terminal, no one in the medical field can predict how long it will take. There is estate planning to consider, and then there is all the rest. Once it's over, what will I do? How do I make sure to plan for the future (that Prescience is Useful) while dealing with the now?
Are you familiar with ALS? It robs the body of the ability to function by attacking all the muscles, yet keeps the brain in tact. You loose the ability to move, to go to the bathroom, to speak...to swallow...and the entire time your brain works as it always did.
I didn't know as a beginner that we aren't supposed to look for death in the chart...and I was further impeded because we had only the daughter's chart and not her mother's. I found the date within 3 weeks. Not a great prediction by any means, because it wasn't accurate. What did it do though?
It kept my friend engaged in her life outside of her mom's disease. It created a sense of urgency (because usually from diagnosis to death ALS takes at minimum 5 years, and in this instance it was one year.) And most of all, it brought comfort.
Would I do it again, knowing now what I didn't know then? Probably not unless the circumstances were the same...as in knowing would actually help for legacy planning, and that there was no hope with an illness that has no miracle answers. There are so many diseases that we are able to either find a cure for or at least prolong life with...this is not one of them.
It all comes down to just this. Why is the client asking? How sure are you of the answer? If there is anything sketchy about either of those, then keep the information to yourself. It's like the medical creed with Hippocrates...except back in those days, well, I'd believe this applied to astrologers as well, since they were intertwined.
"I swear by Apollo the physician, and Asclepius, and Hygieia and Panacea and all the gods and goddesses as my witnesses, that, according to my ability and judgement, I will keep this Oath and this contract:
To hold him who taught me this art equally dear to me as my parents, to be a partner in life with him, and to fulfill his needs when required; to look upon his offspring as equals to my own siblings, and to teach them this art, if they shall wish to learn it, without fee or contract; and that by the set rules, lectures, and every other mode of instruction, I will impart a knowledge of the art to my own sons, and those of my teachers, and to students bound by this contract and having sworn this Oath to the law of medicine, but to no others.
I will use those dietary regimens which will benefit my patients according to my greatest ability and judgement, and I will do no harm or injustice to them.
I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.
In purity and according to divine law will I carry out my life and my art.
I will not use the knife, even upon those suffering from stones, but I will leave this to those who are trained in this craft.
Into whatever homes I go, I will enter them for the benefit of the sick, avoiding any voluntary act of impropriety or corruption, including the seduction of women or men, whether they are free men or slaves.
Whatever I see or hear in the lives of my patients, whether in connection with my professional practice or not, which ought not to be spoken of outside, I will keep secret, as considering all such things to be private.
So long as I maintain this Oath faithfully and without corruption, may it be granted to me to partake of life fully and the practice of my art, gaining the respect of all men for all time. However, should I transgress this Oath and violate it, may the opposite be my fate."