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Crustacean. Crusty for short. It just works.

That's an interesting idea, but the word "crustacean" has always sounded gross to me.

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Cancerians are known as moonchild(ren) or the sign is simply "Moonchild", cus Cancer is ruled by the Moon and is the symbol of family and children. I don't believe the sign needs to be renamed, due to sensitivity of a term about a disease. I do know in medical astrology in ancient times, Cancer was associated with disease, esp. the one the sign gives its name to.
Not feelin' it? I mean using "Mer" for the name and the Mermaid for the symbol?
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Crustacean. Crusty for short. It just works.
How about "Zesty" for Sagittarius?
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I wouldn't be surprised if they did exist. However in the light that we see or imagine them I highly doubt it.
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Not a lot of Centaurs running around these days, either.
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Not a lot of Centaurs running around these days, either.
That is why it is the most mysterious constellation along with Capricorn. Usually ascribed influence to Scorpio for some reason.
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Isn't the the (non-Zodiacal) constellation "the Archer", aiming an arrow at the constellation Scorpio?
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Isn't the the (non-Zodiacal) constellation "the Archer", aiming an arrow at the constellation Scorpio?
And Scorpio is stinging Ophicious [thus why Ophicious isn't a sign itself]. Also Capricorn is withholding therefore mysterious because of lack of information. I wouldn't call sag a mystery as much as a rarity, like a diamond, therefore sought after (they don't like being chased).

Pisces is mysterious in a dramatic sense. Scorpio isn't mysterious in my experince they just don't say much and are blunt as hell when they do.
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Centaurs are definitely Sagittarius. The arrow points to something important, the galactic centre i think. Or was that the tail of the Scorpion?

It would be amazing to do a fantasy creature star sign list. Or to rethink the theory behind the naming now science has evolved, crabs don’t spend a lot of time underwater.
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Ancient alternatives for Cancer were snapping turtles and various beetles... I don't think a mermaid would work well, here.
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Ancient alternatives for Cancer were snapping turtles and various beetles... I don't think a mermaid would work well, here.
I first got the idea from the symbol for Pisces, the two fish swimming in opposite directions, representing the the two Signs of Solstice. So, it's definitely a Tropical view. The lower fish symbolizing Capricorn was already envisioned as a Goatfish, or Sea-goat, and the Merman is a good counterpart for the upper fish. But, there's a feminine feel to the Sign of the upper fish, and a nice balance between masculine and feminine is achieved by the Mermaid specifically. Since the term "man" is commonly used to include women ("mankind", etc.) The term "Merman" might be more appropriate than Mermaid. I definitely think the Sign should be humanized though. I prefer the name "Mer", to emphasize the Water-element, the (Sign-ruler)Moon's effect on the Sea, and to avoid the gender issue.

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I first got the idea from the symbol for Pisces, the two fish swimming in opposite directions, representing the the two Signs of Solstice. So, it's definitely a Tropical view. The lower fish symbolizing Capricorn was already envisioned as a Goatfish, or Sea-goat, and the Merman is a good counterpart for the upper fish. But, there's a feminine feel to the Sign of the upper fish, and a nice balance between masculine and feminine is achieved by the Mermaid specifically. Since the term "man" is commonly used to include women ("mankind", etc.) The term "Merman" might be more appropriate than Mermaid. I definitely think the Sign should be humanized though. I prefer the name "Mer", to emphasize the Water-element, the (Sign-ruler)Moon's effect on the Sea, and to avoid the gender issue.
But Heracles was attacked by a crab, not a mermaid.
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But Heracles was attacked by a crab, not a mermaid.
What sign is associated with him?
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What sign is associated with him?
None as he is his own constellation. However he has an entire group of constellations in his name. These are-
"The Hercules Family is a group of 19 constellations composed of Hercules, Sagitta, Aquila, Lyra, Cygnus, Vulpecula, Hydra, Sextans, Crater, Corvus, Ophiuchus, Serpens, Scutum, Centaurus, Lupus, Corona Australis, Ara, Triangulum Australe, and Crux. It is the largest constellation family, spanning from +60° down to –70°, mostly in the western hemisphere."

So if you ask me the most obvious choice of Hercules archetype in a sign is in sidereal sag. The picture of the Centuar with a human and dog head, wings, a giant cock and a scorpion tail tells a story so similar to Hercules. It's about turning from an animal/bestial-primal creature, into a strong fair and just man(and posibly becoming more than a man).

Sag is one of the weirdest placed constellations btw. It's shoved between a scorpion, a dude being chocked by a snake and a horny wild goat fish. It is considered slightly more civil and yet is shoved between constellations that are wild, vulgar,and down right nasty. Also doesn't this sound a bit like Hercules too?
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What sign is associated with him?
Greek mythology took a lot from Babylonian star-lore and religion. If you are asking about a sign related to Hercules, the twelve labours involve the twelve constellations of the zodiac and a few outside it like the Hydra.

The constellation of Heracles was not always associated with the god, Ptolemy and Manilius have the Engonasin (''on his knees'') instead.

''the one in the head in advance the same as Mercury; it is also called the star of Apollo; the one in the head that follows, the same as Mars; it is also called the star of Hercules'' - Robbins, http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...los/1B*.html#9

Ptolemy had Heracles to Pollux. This is why it is associated with wrestlers traditionally. Not sure where and why the two star-lore traditions diverged.

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Re: Another name for the sign of "Cancer"

Cancer can be Cancri - another Latin term for crab. Or Canis Media - middle dog, compared to adjacent constellations Canis Major - the big dog (with the brightest magnitude star of all, Sirius) and Canis Minor - the little dog. Dogs are thought to be representative of family relationships, just like the sign Cancer itself. I prefer to call it a crab instead of dog, even if both coincidentally start with the term "CAN".
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Cancer can be Cancri - another Latin term for crab. Or Canis Media - middle dog, compared to adjacent constellations Canis Major - the big dog (with the brightest magnitude star of all, Sirius) and Canis Minor - the little dog. Dogs are thought to be representative of family relationships, just like the sign Cancer itself. I prefer to call it a crab instead of dog, even if both coincidentally start with the term "CAN".
Moonchild then, if it's just the association with a dreaded disease. That's how it's handled in those Sun-sign columns. But, consider the connection of the mermaid-image to children. Not a lot of crab connections.
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Another connection between the Seagoat for Capricorn and the Mer-person (since the Merman is included with the Mermaid) for the opposite Sign , is that they both can exist in the water and on dry land. The lore has it that Mer-people (or, Mers, as I prefer to call them) can transform their fishes tails into legs, and walk. The Ancient Greek story about Pan, who symbolizes Capricorn in this context, was that he transformed his hind legs into a fishes tail in order to escape an enemy.
So, Mer for has that same land/water ability as the conventional crab-image, and shares it with its Capricornian counterpart.

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Another connection between the Seagoat for Capricorn and the Mer-person (since the Merman is included with the Mermaid) for the opposite Sign , is that they both can exist in the water and on dry land. The lore has it that Mer-people (or, Mers, as I prefer to call them) can transform their fishes tails into legs, and walk. The Ancient Greek story about Pan, who symbolizes Capricorn in this context, was that he transformed his hind legs into a fishes tail in order to escape an enemy.
So, Mer for has that same land/water ability as the conventional crab-image, and shares it with its Capricornian counterpart.
Do you even know the origin of the twelve signs of the zodiac?
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Do you even know the origin of the twelve signs of the zodiac?
Why use modern language? Astrology is a language. Times have changed. I understand the meanings.
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Why use modern language? Astrology is a language. Times have changed. I understand the meanings.
Language is a great way to understand astrology, specifically the Greek language. The word zodiac comes from the Greek ''zωδιακός κύκλος'' or circle of zoidia and the signs themselves were referred to as ''zoidia'' which have the dual meaning of ''images'' or the diminutive form of animal - ''little animals''.

Translators of ancient astrological texts like Robert Schmidt and academics like Dorian Greenbaum initially left the word untranslated (because of the dual meaning), but have recently settled translating the word as ''image'' - for example instead of ''the sign of Cancer'', they would say ''the image of the Crab'' (it seems that the Greek authors used more in the sense of image).

One of the definitions of the Latin translation ''signum'' initially also meant image, but that is no longer relevant in modern English, so the word ''sign'' is actually no longer accurate and somewhat misleading in the context of understanding the development of the zodiac in western astrology.

Of course, the images are based on the constellations, since every single astrologer saw a crab instead of a mermaid, you have the image of the Crab in the zodiac. This equally applies to the other signs.

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Language is a great way to understand astrology, specifically the Greek language. The word zodiac comes from the Greek ''zωδιακός κύκλος'' or circle of zoidia and the signs themselves were referred to as ''zoidia'' which has the dual meaning of ''image'' or the diminutive form of animal - ''little animal''.

Translators of ancient astrological texts like Robert Schmidt and academics like Dorian Greenbaum initially left the word untranslated (because of the dual meaning), but have recently settled translating the word as ''image'' - for example instead of ''the sign of Cancer'', they would say ''the image of the Crab'' (it seems that the Greek authors used more in the sense of image).

One of the definitions of the Latin translation ''signum'' initially also meant image, but that is no longer relevant in modern English, so the word ''sign'' is actually no longer accurate and somewhat misleading in the context of understanding the development of the zodiac in western astrology.

Of course, the images are based on the constellations, since every single astrologer saw a crab instead of a mermaid, you have the image of the Crab in the zodiac. This equally applies to the other signs.
NO disagreement at ALL, in ANY of the versions of Astrology over the millenia?! Doesn't sound like the Astrologers of today!
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Here's a pet peeve of mine regarding the modern naming of the Planet --it's not the name of a Greek OR Roman god. The Greek for the father of Cronus was Ouranos. The Roman version was Caelus. Like Cronus to Saturn, Zeus to Jupiter, Hermes to Mercury, etc. "Uranus" is an attempt to Latinize a Greek name, when there was already a Latin name for that same god.
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Here's a pet peeve of mine regarding the modern naming of the Planet --it's not the name of a Greek OR Roman god. The Greek for the father of Cronus was Ouranos. The Roman version was Caelus. Like Cronus to Saturn, Zeus to Jupiter, Hermes to Mercury, etc. "Uranus" is an attempt to Latinize a Greek name, when there was already a Latin name for that same god.
Mars was known as the ''Fiery One'', Saturn as ''the Shining One'', Jupiter as ''the Radiant One'' Venus as ''Light-Bringer'', Mercury as ''Twinkling One'', by extension Uranus should be the ''faint one''.
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Mars was known as the ''Fiery One'', Saturn as ''the Shining One'', Jupiter as ''the Radiant One'' Venus as ''Light-Bringer'', Mercury as ''Twinkling One'', by extension Uranus should be the ''faint one''.
Reminds me of "A still small voice" from the Book of Kings, in Scripture.
And, "Uranus" is a false name. It's either Ouranos or Caelus.

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