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Moon exactly conj Nep in about an hour from now.
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Introduction to Hellenistic Astrology Part I - Zodiac

The zodiac completes a sidereal cycle in 23.93446 hours.


The image of the Water-Pourer is masculine, diurnal, solid, watery, human
servile, eloquent, semi-infertile, handsome, standing and of the east wind.
It indicates inquiries, affairs, crafts, water and property.
Depending on the placement of the houseruler
men born under the influence of Aquarius are burdened, envious, lying
occasionally generous because of the uncontrollable flow of the Water-Pourer
craftsmen, public, mystical, youthful, delicate, with beautiful figure and eyes
smooth hair, dizzy, beautiful manners, white, working with hard materials, troubled by athletic training
artisans, wealthy, malicious, haters of their own families, incorrigible
making living by waterside places, betrayers of reputation and truth
accusers, haters of mankind, godless and uncontrollable.
Domicile of Saturn, it controls the lower legs, the skeletal system,
the lymphatic system and the immune system.
It causes blindness on account of the water.
It is like-empowered with Libra, like-ascending with Pisces
and like-engirding with Capricorn, short in the Northern Hemisphere and tall in the Southern Hemisphere.
It is wintry, cold and moist for the north
and summery, hot and dry for the south.
Aquarius obeys Aries for the north and commands it for the south.
Aquarius controls Sauromatica, Oxiana, Sogdiana, Arabia, Azania and Middle Ethiopia.
The left hand and the head are rising up to the 7th degree, the body and the right hand up to the 13th
the pitcher up to the 20th, the water up to the 25th
and the falling water up to the 30th.

The first 7 belong to Mercury - mastery, lovers of wisdom
The next 6 belong to Venus - friendships with great women
The next 7 belong to Jupiter - notable, some are winners of games
The next 5 belong to Mars - lawsuits, injuries, some die violent deaths
The final 5 belong to Saturn - education, grief in youth

Shoulders, Left Arm and Cloak - Saturn and Mercury
Thighs - Mercury and moderately Saturn
Water - Saturn and moderately Jupiter



Such, then, are the observations of the effects of the stars
as made by our predecessors.

Bibliography:
Ludwich, A. (Ed.). (1877). Maximi et Ammonis carminum De actionum auspiciis reliquiae:
accedunt Anecdota astrologica. BG Teubneri.
Retrieved from https://archive.org/details/maximiet...00ludw/page/n3
Manilius, & Goold, G. P. (1985). Astronomica. BG Teubner.
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos.
William Heinmann, London.
Retrieved from http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html
Schmidt, R. The Astrological Record of the Early Greek Sages.
Project Hindsight.
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley.
Retrieved from https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf


Assuming local skies are clear


then
by visual observation at night
and using ALDEBARAN 15
MOON TODAY is visibly observed in local skies worldwide
in CONSTELLATION of AQUARIUS



AQUARIUS is the domicile aka home of PHAINON


MOON IS CURRENTLY TRAVELLING

THIRD DECAN

SIDEREAL AQUARIUS



Tetragon SIDEREAL LEO VENUS MARS assembly



Tetragon SIDEREAL SCORPIO JUPITER


Hexagon SIDEREAL SAGITTARIUS SATURN



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1. The gods send signs to all nations, but they are not interpret the same for the different lands,
for one they signify hot weather, for another they signify cold weather,
and for third they signify temperate weather.

2. In the same way, the like-principles of rising times and daylight
become less discernible and causative in the equatorial zones.

3. Therefore another celestial influence is causative for nativities,
rather than the terrestrial effect of weather.
Otherwise, there would be no domicile, no exaltation
and no depression for the equatorial lands.

4. The rationale of the sidereal zodiac is compatible with this hypothesis,
the rationale of the tropical zodiac is not.




MOON travels each SIGN once a month aka "moonth"
and
IS NOT ALWAYS IN SAME SIGN BOTH TROPICALLY AND SIDEREALLY
because
although Astrologers
whether Tropical or Sidereal
are commenting on and making predictions
regarding THE IDENTICAL MOON in the skies
computer generated Tropical Chart differs by DEGREE OCCUPIED BY THE MOON
from Sidereal DEGREE OCCUPIED BY MOON
Sidereal location of Moon may be confirmed BY VISUAL observation of local skies

there is a minimum difference of 20 up to a maximum of approximately 24
between TROPICAL AND SIDEREAL MEASUREMENT
ANY planet at 0 OF any TROPICAL SIGN
is SIDEREALLY between approximately 6 - 10
to a maximum 24 of the PREVIOUS SIGN
dependent on the ayanamsha
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I've been advocating for an additional, MAJOR feminine deity in our astrological "pantheon" of "archetypes"--Urania, Greco-Roman Goddess of the Heavens and Muse of astrology, in place of the current, standard masculine version--Ouranos/Caelus/ "Uranus", as Modernistic Domicile-ruler of Aquarius. I can make a good etymological case for it, going back to ancient Sumerian/Egyptian/Babylonian roots [IMO].
As far as the actual names we use for Sign-rulership, there's really only ONE major feminine ruler, Venus. As J.A. just pointed out in the previous post, the actual word "Moon" is generic, same root as the word "month", a passage of time. The word "Sun" is also generic, so there are currently 7 masculine + only 1 feminine, inclusive of Mercury through Pluto in Modernistic astrology.

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Moon exactly conj Nep in about an hour from now.
How did you feel about that?
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I just realized it's my Mars return
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Very empathic. More so than usual.
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It was as sweet as your smile

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Moon just ingressed Aries. Grrr8!
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The moment I looked at Ed Gein's chart, I had to let out a laugh. Have you ever had a chart that just hit you in the face with it's major problem/"guiding principle"?
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Introduction to Hellenistic Astrology Part I - Zodiac

The zodiac completes a sidereal cycle in 23.93446 hours.


The image of the Fishes is feminine, nocturnal, double-bodied, watery, submerged,
notable, silent, fertile, passionate, missing limbs, polycentric, two-coloured,
swimming, mossy, motile, lying and of the west wind.
It indicates governorship, travel, wealth, water, summons and plots,
those who become endowed with genius, unsteady, trustworthy,
those who are full of ideas, the philosophers, commanders of the fleets, traders,
hound-leaders, hunters, seamen, fowlers, bird-keepers and business expediters.

Depending on the placement of the houseruler, men born under the influence of Pisces
are small, disproportioned and awkward, complicated because of the directions of the Fishes,
changeable, restless, mystical, slight, wandering, popular, slightly sallow,
delicate, with ruddy head, fish eyes, beautiful hair, soft hands,
bright voice and white.
Domicile of Jupiter, exaltation of Venus, depression of Mercury, it controls the feet,
the reproductive system, the digestive system and the integumentary system,
and it indicates skin diseases on account of the rough skin.
It is equinoctial, like-empowered with Virgo, like-ascending with Aquarius
and like-engirding with Sagittarius, short in the Northern Hemisphere
and tall in the Southern Hemisphere.
It is vernal, hot and moist in the north, and autumnal, cold and dry in the south.

Pisces controls Phazania, Nasamonitis, Garamantica, Lydia, Cilicia and Pamphylia.
The southern fish head and the southern fish body are rising up to 12th degree,
the southern tail up to the 16th degree, the southern cord up to the 19th,
the northern fish up to the 28th, and the bond up to the 30th.
The first 12 belong to Venus - fertile, jealousy, with many enemies
The next 4 belong to Jupiter - advancement, elevation, commanding
The next 3 belong to Mercury - intelligence, well-grown, highly frivolous
The next 9 belong to Mars - violent, excessive, with many accusations
The final 2 belong to Saturn - virtuous, wise, dominant

Head of the Southern Fish - Mercury and moderately Saturn
Body of the Southern Fish - Jupiter and Mercury
Southern Tail and Cord - Saturn and moderately Mercury
Body of the Northern Fish - Jupiter and moderately Venus
Northern Cord - Saturn and Jupiter
Bond - Mars and moderately Mercury

Such, then, are the observations of the effects of the stars
as made by our predecessors.

Bibliography:
Ludwich, A. (Ed.). (1877). Maximi et Ammonis carminum De actionum auspiciis reliquiae:

accedunt Anecdota astrologica. BG Teubneri.
Retrieved from https://archive.org/details/maximiet...00ludw/page/n3
Manilius, & Goold, G. P. (1985). Astronomica. BG Teubner.
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos.
William Heinmann, London.
Retrieved from http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html
Schmidt, R. The Astrological Record of the Early Greek Sages.
Project Hindsight.
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley.
Retrieved from https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf



Assuming local skies are clear

then
by visual observation at night
and using ALDEBARAN 15


MOON TODAY is visibly observed in local skies worldwide
ingressing CONSTELLATION of PISCES


PISCES is the domicile aka home of PHAETHON



MOON ingressing FIRST DECAN
SIDEREAL PISCES


Trigon SIDEREAL CANCER MERCURY


Trigon SIDEREAL SCORPIO JUPITER


Tetragon SIDEREAL SAGITTARIUS SATURN




FOR VIDEO ANIMATION OF TROPICAL & SIDEREAL PERSPECTIVE
WITH DESCRIPTIVE NARRATIVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-DYgGFjI



Quote:
Originally Posted by petosiris
1. The gods send signs to all nations, but they are not interpret the same for the different lands,
for one they signify hot weather, for another they signify cold weather,
and for third they signify temperate weather.

2. In the same way, the like-principles of rising times and daylight
become less discernible and causative in the equatorial zones.

3. Therefore another celestial influence is causative for nativities,
rather than the terrestrial effect of weather.
Otherwise, there would be no domicile, no exaltation
and no depression for the equatorial lands.

4. The rationale of the sidereal zodiac is compatible with this hypothesis,
the rationale of the tropical zodiac is not.





MOON travels each SIGN once a month aka "moonth"
and
IS NOT ALWAYS IN SAME SIGN BOTH TROPICALLY AND SIDEREALLY
because
although Astrologers
whether Tropical or Sidereal
are commenting on and making predictions
regarding THE IDENTICAL MOON in the skies
computer generated Tropical Chart differs by DEGREE OCCUPIED BY THE MOON
from Sidereal DEGREE OCCUPIED BY MOON
Sidereal location of Moon may be confirmed BY VISUAL observation of local skies

there is a minimum difference of 20 up to a maximum of approximately 24
between TROPICAL AND SIDEREAL MEASUREMENT
ANY planet at 0 OF any TROPICAL SIGN
is SIDEREALLY between approximately 6 - 10
to a maximum 24 of the PREVIOUS SIGN
dependent on the ayanamsha
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Jupiter stationed Direct a WEEK ago! Time to get back on track.
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The moment I looked at Ed Gein's chart, I had to let out a laugh. Have you ever had a chart that just hit you in the face with it's major problem/"guiding principle"?
Makes Pluto look like an "astrological planet"!
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Right. Mars just ingressed Virgo. That's a good thing [IMO].
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The moment I looked at Ed Gein's chart, I had to let out a laugh. Have you ever had a chart that just hit you in the face with it's major problem/"guiding principle"?
I'm not sure what you saw in his chart. Care to elaborate?

When I opened his chart the first thing I did was to look for things that shows psychotic tendency and an overattachment to the home. And I think I saw something. IC's ruler right in 4H and sextile Jupiter in 1H. There's also Sun/Saturn too but Saturn also trine Jupiter and Jupiter is exalted. His attachment to his family is showing. Saturn could indicate a stern upbringing, especially when it also squares Moon. Pluto/Moon also adds to the obsession. As for psychotic tendency, could be lord of 12H squaring Neptune and trining Pluto. Well that's all I see.
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Right. Mars just ingressed Virgo. That's a good thing [IMO].
My Mars is at 0 deg Virgo, closely conjunct the fixed star Regulus. Regulus is aggressive and like to move forward, but Virgo is slow and shy. What does this combination turn into?
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My Mars is at 0 deg Virgo, closely conjunct the fixed star Regulus. Regulus is aggressive and like to move forward, but Virgo is slow and shy. What does this combination turn into?
The Signs blend at the cusp, so your Mars is about half Virgo and half Leo in regard to the qualities imparted. The rulerships though, apply only to Virgo. So Mercury, for example, has come into rulership it lacked on the other side of the line, when Mars was at the end of Leo. Mars in Leo is about creating changes, but in Virgo it's encouraging and steadfast.
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Regulus is about being in charge and maintaining order.
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His Mother Complex. His dominant, religious, evangelical devouring mother whom he sought to bring back from the grave through his victims. It's right there on the ascendant/descendant axis.

Also of note is the death theme of his chart with the planets surrounding the IC, Pluto conj. the asc and Saturn culminating and most elevated. Saturn is also mother in this chart, and notice its position and placement.

It's such a clean and crisp set of significations.
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His Mother Complex. His dominant, religious, evangelical devouring mother whom he sought to bring back from the grave through his victims. It's right there on the ascendant/descendant axis.

Also of note is the death theme of his chart with the planets surrounding the IC, Pluto conj. the asc and Saturn culminating and most elevated. Saturn is also mother in this chart, and notice its position and placement.

It's such a clean and crisp set of significations.
How many women did he kill himself?
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Found guilty for two, real number unknown. What does 12/12 have to say about the chart? I find the "Pluto as Eternity" connection you make to be particularly sinister in this case, if you read it as him wanting to continue his relationship with his mom, whether dead or alive.
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