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david starling

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Read this difficult post that supports both blendings and barriers and think again:
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1017699&postcount=15

The first 5 degrees of Aries are blended more with the next 15 degrees of Aries and not with the last 10 degrees of Pisces.

AD INFINITUM this is true for the whole zodiac. :smile:

The least blending is in the 4th degree and the 25th degree of a Sign. Blending is greatest in the 1st degree and 29th degree. (As I'm using Sign-blending. It's a straightforward, linear gradation.)
 
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petosiris

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The least blending is in the 4th degree and the 25th degree of a Sign. Blending is greatest in the 1st degree and 29th degree.

Continuum, not blending at just cusps. Don't forget that the last degrees of the preceding sign are blended by the degrees of the following sign, while the next degrees of the same sign are blended more and more by the degrees of the same sign. :smile:
 

david starling

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Continuum, not blending at just cusps. Don't forget that the last degrees of the preceding sign are blended by the degrees of the following sign, while the next degrees of the same sign are blended more and more by the degrees of the same sign. :smile:

NO blending from the 5th degree to the 25th degree, as I view it.
 

petosiris

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The 12/12 system explains the continuum. I'll get back to you on that. :biggrin:

The only system in existence that can explain the continuum is the traditional one - https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130894

You may note how it factors for not only the blendings at the cusps, but also the configurations between all signs - heat opposing cold, moisture opposing dryness, north opposing south, east opposing west, the support of the triangles, the admixture of different powers and rulers and so on. :smile:
 

david starling

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The only system in existence that can explain the continuum is the traditional one - https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130894

You may note how it factors for not only the blendings at the cusps, but also the configurations between all signs - heat opposing cold, moisture opposing dryness, north opposing south, east opposing west, the support of the triangles, the admixture of different powers and rulers and so on. :smile:

Wait....are you saying that Traditionalistic astrology INCLUDES Sign-blending? For some reason most Modernistic astrologers are firmly against it, for no apparent reason.
 

petosiris

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Wait....are you saying that Traditionalistic astrology INCLUDES Sign-blending? For some reason most Modernistic astrologers are firmly against it, for no apparent reason.

No, just answering your reasonable and physical objection to the system. The hard boundaries are there after the continuum and blendings. Your reasoning to do another blending is superfluous.
 

petosiris

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You are putting hard boundaries yourself, you are just putting them at a different degree without a natural marker like the equinox and the solstice, that may include additional horrific signs like Ram-Fishes.
 

david starling

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No, just answering your reasonable and physical objection to the system. The hard boundaries are there after the continuum and blendings. Your reasoning to do another blending is superfluous.

DOES Traditionalistic astrology include Sign-blending? In other words, did any of the ancient astrologers use it?
 

david starling

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Traditional astrology mixes and harmonizes everything occurring in nature. That excludes 24 unequal signs.

There were some disagreements among ancient astrologers though. So, Traditionalists have to choose one opinion over another in many cases. Valens, Ptolemy, and Morinus, for example, weren't identical regarding their systems.
 

petosiris

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There were some disagreements among ancient astrologers though. So, Traditionalists have to choose one opinion over another in many cases. Valens, Ptolemy, and Morinus, for example, weren't identical regarding their systems.

There were indeed many disagreements, but also many agreements, because they were all doing causative physicalist astrology:

A very few considerations would make it apparent to all that a certain power emanating from the eternal ethereal substance is dispersed through and permeates the whole region about the earth, which throughout is subject to change, since, of the primary sublunar elements, fire and air are encompassed and changed by the motions in the ether, and in turn encompass and change all else, earth and water and the plants and animals therein... - http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Ptolemy/Tetrabiblos/1A*.html#2

Nature, sending to us emanations from her immortal elements, creates and fashions piece-by-piece the universal structure of everything, unalterable and invariant. Nature directs the universe without exceeding the bounds of law. She supports the cosmos, awakening and recycling it to immense ages. Sometimes she destroys, expends, and brings to oblivion the tribes of men and beasts, and the kinds of plants and crops; sometimes she begets, nourishes, and rejuvenates others. No earthly thing is everlasting or extremely long-lived, nor is any <totally> destroyed or desolate, thus causing the bereft earth to assume a formless character. No, the earth is piloted by the heavenly bodies, glorified by the good things in it, made splendid and transfigured by the different colors, and takes on its lovely shape—for none of the elements is unshapely. These elements rejuvenate the sea which is exercised by the winds and tides, and because of its needs <?> the elements restore it with streams and springs pouring down out of the earth... - https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/Vettius Valens entire.pdf

''The action and power of the caelum and the stars and the wondrous things described in this book are proved by experience. In this chapter, as a final summation, we will show that no causes in nature depict God's action in the created universe more perfectly than do the celestial bodies through their power and influence... - Morinus, translation by Richard S. Baldwin''

This should be the primary thing to consider when studying these authors. Did they succeed in what they sought to accomplish or they failed? For this reason I accept most things from Ptolemy and utterly reject others, same as with Morinus and other authors, some of their opinions and criticism are well-deserved and reasonable, some are not.
 
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david starling

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The blending at the cusps is what gives the Signs their continuity. Otherwise, they're "walled-off" and unrelated to each other, which is clearly not the case.
 

petosiris

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Continuum: A set of elements, such that between any two of them is a third element.

A sign is either heating or it is cooling. Suppose that 30 Pisces is least cooling, while Aries 1 is least heating, this still lends to two different and opposing elements (though not entirely, since they are neighbouring and have moisture in common).
 

david starling

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A sign is not a degree. A sign is 30 degrees. :smile:

There's a 10 degree overlap, 5 degrees on one side of a Sign-boundary and 5 degrees on the other. Each Sign becomes an unblended Sign-variety for its middle 20 degrees, then begins blending again with the qualities of the next Sign. The rulership, however, remains constant within the boundaries of a Sign. Mars, for example, is Domicle-ruler of Aries in both its blended and unblended portions.
 

david starling

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A sign is either heating or it is cooling. Suppose that 30 Pisces is least cooling, while Aries 1 is least heating, this still lends to two different and opposing elements (though not entirely, since they are neighbouring and have moisture in common).

Yes! The blending requires at least some compatibility.
 

petosiris

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There are four elements - air, fire, earth and water with four different qualities - moisture, heat, dryness and cold. The ancients did not find other elements or qualities of such importance to our world, so the continuum between air (moisture and moderate heat) and earth (dryness and moderate cold) is fire (heat and moderate dryness) so that Cancer, Leo and Virgo are the bridge between spring and autumn. The same applies to all seasonal combinations. This is an obvious continuum - https://i.imgur.com/L3l6OD2.png
 
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