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I'm not going to discuss my chart with strangers, especially astrologers at a forum online, but I am here to discuss astrology, and here we are discussing Mars and assertiveness.

Mars is most assertive with significant Mars/Uranus contacts followed by Mars/Pluto. Mars/Pluto is more intense, but more reserved. Mars/Uranus is not reserved.

Mars conjunct Asc., MC, Desc., IC or aspecting the midpoint of any of these is assertive. They will respond in kind to aggression, or they may be aggressors. Of course, they can be other things like sportsmen or activists or engineers or leaders. Mars trine these points doesn't generally pick a fight, but look out, they don't back down, and they aren't inclined to lose a fight. If you are a jerk or a bully, you'd better find another victim.
Does this include water mars? Cause I have MIC and Iíve never been passive aggressive or one to back down and this Gemini sun / mars in aries dude tried to bully me and I absolutely obliterated him. I have mars trine pluto mars opposite Uranus moon trine mars sun square mars.

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I have Mars conjunct Saturn in Scorpio.
When I am passionate about something, whether is art or sports I give in my all. Few examples, I have represented my school to compete in rhythmic gymnastics (I didn't win though). I can spend at least 3 hours or more like 5 in the gym, daily if I want to, it is usually when I am doing something fun like rhythmic gymnastic, just treadmill and dumbbells bores me. My husband say I am crazy for spending such long hours in the gym. But I think I have got the stamina (friends say so).... If I want it, I enjoy working hard for it without complains and just keep pushing and pushing myself and see how far I can go.
I studied a foreign language to its highest level (not full score). I do art and win awards. I worked like a horse. Sorry if this sounded like bragging but is just really what happened. This aspect can be very consuming of my whole being. It's time, energy, sleeps deprived, like an addiction, absorption and obsession to perfection, to achieving, to accomplishing... I think this is due to Scorpio's passion. Well, when you are passionate about something you enjoy the process of it. But in the case of workhorse, my past occupation is really killing me due to its demands it has affected my health. So yeah, now I changed field and is great, I can finally rest and be stress free most of the time.

When it comes to anger. In the past, I bottle up a loooot but I think I somewhat fixed this issue now and let it come out as in like verbally fight for my rights and not let people push me around. People around me are so shocked now that I dare to reason with them and/or fight back, lol.
Ppl get shocked as they get used to the old you and donít want the new you. The evolved you. Then thatís toxic. But yes I think with age as you grow as a person if you tolerated **** well you donít anymore and your pushed into assertiveness.

Ppl who have assertiveness in their mind and are worried or donít know how to overcome this will eventually overcome this as itís on your mind and itís an issue for you so when you focus you achieve. It happens naturally
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Ppl get shocked as they get used to the old you and donít want the new you. The evolved you. Then thatís toxic. But yes I think with age as you grow as a person if you tolerated **** well you donít anymore and your pushed into assertiveness.

Ppl who have assertiveness in their mind and are worried or donít know how to overcome this will eventually overcome this as itís on your mind and itís an issue for you so when you focus you achieve. It happens naturally
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My Mars is in 9' Virgo in a traffic jam on my 3rd house (True node 29' Leo, the planet of luck Jupiter in 6', Saturn 24-25', Lilith 25-26' and the IC in 3' Libra). Speaking of traffic jam, the middle of this extending into 9' Libra is the sabian degree symbol of 19-20' Virgo: *A caravan Of cars headed To The West Coast* - the degree of planet Venus, oddly almost opposite my natal Venus in 7' Aries. Edit: My family history in California is well represented here, but back to being about me. My Pluto is 21' Libra and the Saturn placement is right in between 29' Leo and 21' Libra, but would it affect me with Saturn conjunct Mars as well Jupiter in my personality isn't really assertive?
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Lol all these people with water mars saying how hard it is for them to assert themselves wtf is wrong with yíall? I have mic and I assert myself very easily Iíve scared ppl with my temper
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Lol all these people with water mars saying how hard it is for them to assert themselves wtf is wrong with yíall? I have mic and I assert myself very easily Iíve scared ppl with my temper
My Mars is in Detriment. In Water Cancer. I have no problem asserting myself. I like it being in a cardinal sign. I like it being in opposition to my Moon. I like it being a part of my T square with the Sun at the apex.

I find that it is a strong placement for Mars. Detriment? I don't feel that it is a detriment to me.
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Mars in Gemini. In real life, I am quite timid and reserved (Pisces ascendant), however, I am very verbally aggressive online. I get mixed up with people on forums very frequently.
lol me in the past
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Re: What is your mars like and how assertive are you?

Retrograde Mars in 8th house Capricorn ("exalted"), trine Venus in Virgo, quintile Scorpio Pluto, ruler of the 12th house.

I generally get what I'm after by being determined, charming, and diplomatic, where the underlying forcefulness of the 'assertion' goes unnoticed as such, and is therefore less likely to be questioned.

The rub is that I'm rarely motivated enough to go after anything.

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Retrograde Mars in 8th house Capricorn ("exalted"), trine Venus in Virgo, quintile Scorpio Pluto, ruler of the 12th house.

I generally get what I'm after by being determined, charming, and diplomatic, where the underlying forcefulness of the 'assertion' goes unnoticed as such, and is therefore less likely to be questioned.

The rub is that I'm rarely motivated enough to go after anything.
Mine is in the 8th too.....what are your observations of Eighth House Mars? Yours is Cardinal too.......People would say I am motivated.......for most things I am, if I am interested.......and I do have a lot of interests......

you have "easy" aspects......I have "hard" aspects........
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Mine is in the 8th too.....what are your observations of Eighth House Mars? Yours is Cardinal too.......People would say I am motivated.......for most things I am, if I am interested.......and I do have a lot of interests......

you have "easy" aspects......I have "hard" aspects........
This is colored by the condition of Mars, but:

-I am often motivated by 8th house subjects, like psychology and genetics, cycles of death and birth, astrology (), 'hidden things', and how power is used/abused. This could also be Pluto squares to Sun, Moon, and Mercury.
-Saturn is in the 6th, and my work tends to revolve around 8th house subjects, such as handling public resources and investigating/controlling processes of decay.
-I have a genetic abnormality that causes muscle weakness and prevented me from participating in athletics. It was a source of shame until Mars went direct by progression.
-I generally don't like to reveal my interests, hobbies, and motivations to most people.
-As a female, I tend to be attracted to enigmatic men, usually ones that are in some way inaccessible.
-Intense sexual energy that is repurposed into creative energy.

What about you? Cancer Mars can be a very reactive/instinctual, ruled by Moon, but with Cappy Moon, it seems like that energy would be a bit more controlled/directed, even with the Moon opposition and square to Sun.

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My Mars is in Detriment. In Water Cancer. I have no problem asserting myself. I like it being in a cardinal sign. I like it being in opposition to my Moon. I like it being a part of my T square with the Sun at the apex.

I find that it is a strong placement for Mars. Detriment? I don't feel that it is a detriment to me.
I also have my mars in T Square with Aries being the main does this effect my temper and assertiveness? cause I do not relate to MIC at all or could it be the mutual reception with my moon in scorpio could it be sun square mars? Iíve always been a very forceful and aggressive person, and am not one to back down, I donít start trouble but I will finish it quickly. Iím definitely not a pushover like others claim MIC to be.
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Unread 09-28-2019, 06:02 PM
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Re: What is your mars like and how assertive are you?

Mars in Libra in the 12th

Conjunct Sun and Mercury
Square Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune

It's the apex point of a T-Square (along with Sun/Merc -- though Merc is in my 11th), with Jupiter in Cancer (9th) and Saturn/Uranus/Neptune in Capricorn (3rd).

Yikes. Basically, I'm still trying to figure out best how to harness it. I've always had a lot of energy, but it also comes and goes. I've never been aggressive or harsh, which hurt me playing sports growing up (which I was good at but I never had that raw competitiveness). I've also never had a temper, which could be good or bad, because everyone needs some kind of outlet.

I'm assertive when:
- I tap into the Sun/Mercury energy and work on something that involves the mind.
- I harness the Jupiter/Uranus aspects, though that leads to risky decisions.
- I'm positively using Saturn and buckling down on something I need to do.

But I'm usually not, because:
- The 12th H and Neptune are pretty awful for drive, and leads to dreaming.
- Saturn can dull the "fiery nature" of Mars, like an inner voice that tells you not do go after something/someone.
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Re: What is your mars like and how assertive are you?

First of all, I would like to say that I really love this discussion here and am thankul for everything that you have shared. It has been very helpful and meaningful for understanding the planets in my own chart and in the charts of my loved ones.

My mars is in capricorn (retrograted) and in trine with venus in virgo.
I consider myself highly assertive, ambitious, and successful when it comes to achieving goals. I find a way, strategies, methods and steps, how to get where I want to...and I get there eventually, with lots of focus and hard work. I am energetic, active and get extremely frustrated when I have to discus with people how to do certain things, I'd just rather stop talking, and start doing it I used to think that people are just lazy, but eventually I have realized that I am paying a high price for all that energy and drive.

I also have mars opposition sun (in cancer) and square moon (in libra), which, on the one hand, makes me a go getter, but makes my life really hard most of the time, too. This is probably what makes me competitive (but not openly, more like secretly), temperamental, very stubborn sometimes, dominant and probably also egoistic. But above all, impatient. I also hate it when someone tells me what to do, but am rather bossy myself.

I don't like agressive people, but if I am honest, I do get quite agressive sometimes. Outside the circle of my closest ones I do not get confrontational often, but in my private life, I do have outbursts of anger, I could say even agression sometimes. Publicly, what makes me enter a "fight", is when I see someone being bullied, when someone underpriviliged is being treated unfairly. That's when I somehow get fire under my feet in order to step in (I do have problems, when it comes to stepping in for myself though). Or if people are telling one thing and doing another (I just hate bulls**t). So in public life I tend to avoid confrontations and use my intellect and diplomatic skills and use the right choice of words for the people I am dealing with ("winning" the battle in the end) But in private I am more passive agressive. I think the retrograted mercury in leo, trine with jupiter and ASC, both in sagittarius play a vital role in "winning the verbal battles". And probably also in achieving goals as well.

My mars is in 2nd house (I guess, since ASC is in sagittarius). I have studied planets a lot, but still struggle with houses. I am also not sure what the retrograted mars in capricorn brings (I have read that it takes away willpower).

In the last couple of years I have realized that I am repeating the patterns of my father and act the way I used to hate soooooo much when I was younger. I have been trying to learn how to channel all that energy into sports, meditation, gardening, old furniture, learning to play the guitar, singing, etc. But it is a life long process, I guess. What helped me the most, is the NVC model of communication (to get in touch with my true emotions, seeing why they are there, which need is not being met, and empathically express that).
I am highy creative and rather succesfull in it, the only "thing" I fail to create is a child But I guess a child isn't just another goal or project, so obviously I have got many lessons to learn. So this is where I fail. And it hurts. Maybe mars has something to do with this as well...

You are welcome to share anyhing. I have been drawn to astrology since I can remember but I keep it for myself most of the time, so I am eager to hear anything about how I interpreted my own chart, even if there is something I got wrong or if there are any other areas I should focus on.

P.S.: I am really excited, because this is the first time I am interpreting my chart out loud

Lots of love,

Estella

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My apologies Flapjacks and SpiderNYC, this is the first I have seen your responses. I will respond but, I have a bug of some kind.....goodnight......
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This is colored by the condition of Mars, but:

-I am often motivated by 8th house subjects, like psychology and genetics, cycles of death and birth, astrology (), 'hidden things', and how power is used/abused. This could also be Pluto squares to Sun, Moon, and Mercury.
-Saturn is in the 6th, and my work tends to revolve around 8th house subjects, such as handling public resources and investigating/controlling processes of decay.
-I have a genetic abnormality that causes muscle weakness and prevented me from participating in athletics. It was a source of shame until Mars went direct by progression.

What happened/changed when Mars went direct?

-I generally don't like to reveal my interests, hobbies, and motivations to most people.
-As a female, I tend to be attracted to enigmatic men, usually ones that are in some way inaccessible.
-Intense sexual energy that is repurposed into creative energy.

What about you? Cancer Mars can be a very reactive/instinctual, ruled by Moon, but with Cappy Moon, it seems like that energy would be a bit more controlled/directed, even with the Moon opposition and square to Sun.
I am learning to control my base protective instincts I am getting better at it. I am learning to laugh off the many idiots that with their supposed superior intellect make rude remarks. Everyone, cannot agree. Such is. I don't have to like or agree with everyone. It is okay.
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I also have my mars in T Square with Aries being the main does this effect my temper and assertiveness? cause I do not relate to MIC at all or could it be the mutual reception with my moon in scorpio could it be sun square mars? Iíve always been a very forceful and aggressive person, and am not one to back down, I donít start trouble but I will finish it quickly. Iím definitely not a pushover like others claim MIC to be.
I love my T square now. I don't start trouble either. But I have been known to finish it quickly. Cancer is a cardinal sign, stronger than most people give it credit for.......I am very protective of those I see as my friends, or family........I have been told, I should back down sometimes.....I do, sometimes.......

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Hey I’m curious about how mars plays out in all its facets...for instance I have a mars in cancer conjunct Jupiter which also is elevated in my chart and trines Uranus and sextlies Merc and ascendant. So I am definitely a leader and can’t help but bring my ideas to fruition in this world but the downside is that I can be clingy and ridiculously emotional...and yes I am a good cook . Anyone have thoughts on how their mars plays out??
Similar situation with Mars here. Conjunct Mercury and square both Jupiter and Saturn. I really don't like to hold anger or negative emotions in, so I talk about them as soon as I have them cooled off with a helpful approach in mind. Resentment and hidden anger can become toxic and needs to be let go, so I like to deal with it and move on. I also have Moon in Aquarius and three planets in Libra in the 3rd house so this helps.

Also love my food, cooking and looking after my cosy home.
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Mars conjunct Sun & Mercury, all in Aries/12th house.

I am quite assertive, often inadvertently. On the few occasions that I manage to keep my mouth shut, I will simmer and stew until I am able to rant about whatever it is in a more appropriate venue.

If I don't regularly engage in physical activity (gym, cardio, anything to wear myself out), I fall apart psychologically and end up with self-destructive habits (depression, anxiety, brooding, drinking, not sleeping enough, etc.). I recharge by physically wearing myself out and sleeping hard as a result.

I get psychologically exhausted when I don't get enough alone time. All of my hobbies are solitary pursuits. I can't imagine trying to pursue a goal with a group of other people as a recreational activity.
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My Mars is in Scorpio and conjunct with Pluto in the 3rd house. I'm very strong-willed but I'm not really assertive, I usually stay in the background and avoid conflicts. I used to be more "assertive", but many times I ended up hurting people so I try to think more before I open my mouth (it can be really difficult). I usually just wait for the right time to say something.
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My Mars is in Scorpio and conjunct with Pluto in the 3rd house. I'm very strong-willed but I'm not really assertive, I usually stay in the background and avoid conflicts. I used to be more "assertive", but many times I ended up hurting people so I try to think more before I open my mouth (it can be really difficult). I usually just wait for the right time to say something.
This is the thing with Pluto mars. You are aware of your power to really eff someone that you either use it like a nut job or you stay clear. Thatís my view personally. There needs to be a happy medium
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I love my T square now. I don't start trouble either. But I have been known to finish it quickly. Cancer is a cardinal sign, stronger than most people give it credit for.......I am very protective of those I see as my friends, or family........I have been told, I should back down sometimes.....I do, sometimes.......

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Ahhh nice to meet another warrior lol I thought I was the only one who was like this I hope you donít mind me asking but whatís your sun sign?
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Ahhh nice to meet another warrior lol I thought I was the only one who was like this I hope you donít mind me asking but whatís your sun sign?
4 degree Sun Libra apex 3 degree Mars Cancer Dissociate opposition to 29 degree Sag Moon

My usual scenario is finding myself protecting people I feel close to, Aries is my empty house.
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Re: What is your mars like and how assertive are you?

Greetings! Mars act different at different places. For instance, the results of the placement of the fiery planet seems to differ or tend to be stronger at Aries, Leo, Sagittarius and Scorpio. The conjunction of Mars with different planets also adds up to the variations in the results.

In your case, first the debilitation effect gets activated and later on the effect of Jupiter against the debilitation of Mars tends to offer an aggressive intent.
Here not only the aggressive intent, but also the power or energy to do things differently and to take up challenges at will would be the significant thought that would be running in your mind.

For a complete analysis of your Birth Chart with respect to Mars and its functional aspects, you are most welcome to take up our Services in the form of Reports. Especially the Identifying Good and Bad Planets. Here in addition to Identifying or judging the planet, we also offer additional inputs about the planet, its characteristics and the functional aspects with respect to the placement/ conjunction.

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I've forgotten your chart. Where's your Mars?
Mars cap sun 4th house.
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I'm not going to discuss my chart with strangers, especially astrologers at a forum online, but I am here to discuss astrology, and here we are discussing Mars and assertiveness.

Mars is most assertive with significant Mars/Uranus contacts followed by Mars/Pluto. Mars/Pluto is more intense, but more reserved. Mars/Uranus is not reserved.

Mars conjunct Asc., MC, Desc., IC or aspecting the midpoint of any of these is assertive. They will respond in kind to aggression, or they may be aggressors. Of course, they can be other things like sportsmen or activists or engineers or leaders. Mars trine these points doesn't generally pick a fight, but look out, they don't back down, and they aren't inclined to lose a fight. If you are a jerk or a bully, you'd better find another victim.
Cary2, nice insight. How about Mars conjunct Saturn? I would really like to know what you have to say/share about this aspect.
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