What is it that makes me fearful of a lot of things in life and severprocrastination?

aystro

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Could somebody please tell me which aspect can do this? I can't find it... :(
 

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Kannon

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Giving in to fear makes you afraid. Not knowing who you are. Once we are conscious that we are fearful, it becomes a choice to stay that way. You have free choice. Get to know yourself and what it is that you want to express that is inside you. What

Astrologically, Venus quincunx Saturn, Neptune quincunx Mars, Mercury in Cancer opp Neptune. When a person is younger, 3 or more planets in Cancer, especially if aspects are not helpful, can mean someon relates to fear and insecurity easily. Sun CP (contra-parallel) Saturn. If your chart is correct, as I pointed out previously when posting your data sheet in response to your question about chart rulership, Saturn is P Asc and so is Neptune. This normally creates a serious personality with an uncertain identity that operates best in imagination. If the general description of Sagittarius rising - at least the intellectual facet - does not describe you, then you should read Scorpio rising and consider that as your possible rising sign. Do not take the chart literally as if it were set in stone. It is set in sky and -- the sky moves.

Procrastination can come from inertia (Taurus/Venusian) or from fear of failure that comes from idealistic expectations. It is most common in Neptunian and Venusian-Libra types.
 

eviltwin

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This is more of a question than an answer, but:

Would personal planets in the 8th House also increase fear? He seems to have 3 personal planets in the 8th house (Sun, Mercury, and Venus)...

asystro,

Like Kannon said, giving in to fear is most certainly within the domain of our free will.

What helps to dissolve fear is to explore the feeling innocently and inquisitively, and to do the thing that you fear. When you come out of the experience safely on the other side, and have "seen" the fear in the light of your awareness, it will slowly start to dissolve. Check out this video, it might help (whenever I have to face something I fear, but I know I have to do, I try to remember this video):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3ZkezoeBPM&feature=related
 
Kannon,
Procrastination can come from inertia (Taurus/Venusian) or from fear of failure that comes from idealistic expectations. It is most common in Neptunian and Venusian-Libra types
There is nothing procrastinating about venus in taurus. The problem with this chart is Venus is 'unaspected' so doesn't link in --

unspected planets
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html
http://www.innerself.com/Astrology/unaspected.htm
http://classiclegendbooks.com/martinschulman-astrology-articles-17-unaspected-planets-1.html
http://astrology.findyourfate.com/astrology-unaspectedplanets.htm
http://www.donmc.com/Unaspected.htm
http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/unaspected/unaspected.htm
http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/dde3467b-df04-4a45-94c8-7aeb8e91e741

the moon ONLY has one aspect sextile to Sun, so the emotions hardly link in. In general the 'lack' of aspects suggests to me a 'loner type personality'. With Saturn in first house it will knock your confidence and as Kannon says Saturn and Neptune are afflicting your Asc and outward expressions. These two really don't get along well and can create a fear of the unknown and be depressive to.

Mercury opp Neptune probably won't help and the thoughts and communications get clouded and lose the plot and either they mis interpret receiving in, or giving out information at times.

Moon is exalted in Taurus and you will prob look to co-workers for nurturance and possibly give them nurtance to. But if there are to many stressful things going on the in work environment eg: bitching, backstabbing, atmospheres, then you probably won't function very well, it will make you restless and affect your health....

The Mysteries of the 8th House: House of Death & Transformation
by Carmen Turner-Schott
http://www.ofspirit.com/carmenturnerschott1.htm
see how you relate to this article....

Having No planets in air and mercury afflicted is the problem, if you can sort out your thoughts and communication skills it will help a great deal

Lack of elements http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18077
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/elements.html
http://www.astrology.aryabhatt.com/Astrology_Elements.asp
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/EmptyElement12.1.htm
http://www.astrologyclub.org/article.../inferior2.htm


Lastly, T Saturn is NOW conj MC IF your time of birth/chart data is correct and this could be cause for concern. You may take on to many duties and responsibilities at work, or even come out of work altogether. Certainly won't feel like socialising while this is going on...

 

aystro

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I seem to understand more and more how subjective the topic actually is...

I thought my Venus is quintile Midheaven, that doesn't count?

And the 8th house does seem to make sense regarding the extra energy that I some times seem to have. But it's more when I'm doing adrenaline related activities. And I am not very good at recognizing peoples souls lets say. Last time 'I predicted' that a person I met would be very nice, while it was the opposite.
 

Inconjunct

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You have your Sun in Cancer . Cancer can be a fearful sign because it is so vulnerable. I think all the water signs pick up the message fairly soon in life that the world is a place in which they can easily be hurt. Cancer's response to this is to protect, and it draws its brood close and builds a nice, secure nest in which they can all feel safe.

The Sun is also in the 8th house, a house which governs (among other things) legacies and inheritances. These can be literal as in the case of bequests, or they could be emotional and karmic baggage from your family and beyond into your ancestry. As Cancer is a rather past-orientated sign anyway, it could be that you are working out some old family anxieties.

Conversely, the Sun can also point out where you can heal this fear and if we reframe the message of Cancer here, it suggests that you need the benefit of a secure home in order not to feel so fearful. Your Moon is in Taurus, again suggesting an innate need for some sort of material security.
 

eviltwin

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Inconjunct,

I have to challenge you a bit on this: it seems to me a bit of a stretch to extend "inheritances" to karmic baggage from the family background or ancestry...

If I'm right, more strictly speaking, family background and ancestry is seen from the 4th house, and not the 8th house. Of course karma in general can be seen from any part of the chart, but if we are talking about "ancestry" in specific, I think it relates more to the 4th house.

I could be wrong... any contrary thoughts/citations/etc?
 

Kannon

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Kannon,

There is nothing procrastinating about venus in taurus.

I didn't specify Venus in Taurus as equating to procrastination. I referred to Taurus/Venusian factors generally contributing towards procrastination.

Besides, his Venus is in Cancer and it is quincunx Saturn and CP Uranus: not unaspected.

the moon ONLY has one aspect sextile to Sun...

The Moon (29 Taurus) shows 3 aspects:
- Moon sextile Sun (27 Cancer)
- Moon semi-sextile Jupiter (28 Aries)
- Moon [23N55] is CP Uranus [23S26]
 
I see the venus quincunx saturn aspect but not sextile sun, gosh don't know what orbs you are using. So out of all the ones you quoted I personally feel the only one applicable is the venus quincunx saturn. It's major aspects which semi sextiles are not or CP either... just think your stretching things bit too much.....

I referred to Taurus/Venusian factors generally contributing towards procrastination.
Well this is Soooo vague perhaps you could clarify what you do mean?? if you were'nt meaning 'venus' what were you meaning?
 
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FreeVirgo

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I read that the reason for procrastination is fear of one's success! We tend to be comfortable with the status quo even if it is not for our want or need for growth in one's life!
 
Inconjunct,

I have to challenge you a bit on this: it seems to me a bit of a stretch to extend "inheritances" to karmic baggage from the family background or ancestry...

If I'm right, more strictly speaking, family background and ancestry is seen from the 4th house, and not the 8th house. Of course karma in general can be seen from any part of the chart, but if we are talking about "ancestry" in specific, I think it relates more to the 4th house.

I could be wrong... any contrary thoughts/citations/etc?

What you seem to be overlooking is that Cancer belongs to 4th house and ancestry! so there is a link :rightful:

And Yes, Cancer is a worrier and like all the water signs, moody, sensitive. But with Sun, venus and mercury in 8th - the house of death and transformation, seems pretty obvious that he will inherit, could deal with psychic occult matters as well as insurances, joint finances, whether that's a partner, employer, government. So handling these like working in the finance or banking industries would be good
 

eviltwin

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Astrologer50,

Ahh, ok gotcha. That would certainly make up for it. But I was specifically addressing the 8th house, because that's what Inconjunct seemed to be equating with ancestry:

The Sun is also in the 8th house, a house which governs (among other things) legacies and inheritances. These can be literal as in the case of bequests, or they could be emotional and karmic baggage from your family and beyond into your ancestry. As Cancer is a rather past-orientated sign anyway, it could be that you are working out some old family anxieties.

Yes, now I see that Inconjunct also mentions Cancer at the end of the paragraph, but what do you say to equating 8th house with Ancestry?
 

Inconjunct

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To answer your point, if the 8th house governs inheritances, it would seem to me to be counterintuitive not to allow that to include intangible inheritances. I'm not talking genetics here, but baggage from the family history. Just as you inherit grandma's pearl necklace, so you also inherit the trauma that surrounded her running off with another man when she was 79, for instance. The 4th, the 8th and the 12th houses are all linked in my mind anyway, being the natural homes of water signs, so I think it's unsurprising to find a sort of common thread between them - the 12th can also indicate karmic debts to be paid through its governance of one's "self-undoing" and "hidden enemies", both concepts speak to me of "stuff" from the past.

I guess maybe this characterises my burgeoning approach to astrology, that it is a system of symbols to be interpreted, and therefore that some intuition is needed to add to the cookbook explanations you might find in books and so on.
 
Astrologer50,

Ahh, ok gotcha. That would certainly make up for it. But I was specifically addressing the 8th house, because that's what Inconjunct seemed to be equating with ancestry:

Yes, now I see that Inconjunct also mentions Cancer at the end of the paragraph, but what do you say to equating 8th house with Ancestry?

This is more pertinent cos of Cancer in this house, but legacies (perhaps ambiguous word) can be interpreted as inheritances OR family traits [or karma but more likely 12th for this]. You don't necessarily inherit just from family do we....but cos Cancer is here it WILL be - there is a link in this instance.

Everything that relates to the foundation and roots of our existence. Parents in general and fathers in particular; grandparents and ancestry. Paternity (inheritance from parents) as well as the psychological parental influence.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h4.html
All matters relating to death, decay, fear, anxiety and loss. The quality and nature of death. Who shall be heir to the deceased. Unexpected inheritance, wills, legacies and testaments of the deceased (note that paternity - wealth from the parents - is also shown by the 4th house).
Money belonging to a partner, spouse or other party. Financial obligations, debts, taxes, loans, losses, money owed to others.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h8.html

Inconjunct, you are correct a synthesis is required, but please consider this IS a learning forum, so members need clarity on what you are referring to astrologically is poss.. Nice one though...
 
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"The Sun in the 8th House indicates that consciousness is opening up to compassion, and the agents in the process are emotional suffering and refinement of desire. This may be a relatively advanced stage of development because people with the Sun in the 8th House do have the feel of ‘old souls’. There is a gravity and maturity conferred by this placement, which is evident even in very young children."
http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoundation/BookKarmaHouse8.htm

"The suffering experienced by 8th House people, is always at the hands of people with whom they have a close personal relationship, and although there may be physical cruelty also, it is at the emotional level that the pain is registered. The pain is nearly always that of rejection and the knowledge that the intensity of their feelings is neither understood nor valued."
http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoundation/BookKarmaHouse8.htm

8th house polarity to me anyway also suggests learning Lessons through 'other people's values and belief systems' as opposed to our own in 2nd house...

 
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