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natasa812

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I HAVE A NEW QUESTION, THE CHART AND THE BACKRAOUND IS AT THE POST BELOW:
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14376

I had to paste it, since probably everybody is thinking that I just gave a feedback. It is not the feedback, it is new question.
Thank you


But in case that I caused confusion, here it is again:

The question is ``Is he having someone else in other city`` but acctualy, I am asking if he is having another woman generaly. He is back as Ra corectly predicted, continuing to talk about ``confused feelings`` and ``confused situations`` (he is Cancer). I did not understand a single word, I still don`t, I don`t know what to think, he asked for another week time to finish some bussiness in capital city and that than we will go out again, and do all the stuf we do usualy. It was like he was asking 1 week time and then, we will be our usual again. I agreed, I am waiting, and I`ll put feedback. This situation is making me ill (physicaly), me (Sag.) do not understand about ``confused situation``. What is the situation? What is going on? My first phase is always anger in situation like this and I always suffer in side of me. The second phase (the true Sagittarian one) is worst. I just get bored of confusion and I just leave. I don`t want to think of the 2nd phase and maybe I should give him this 2nd chance.
He is at jurney at the moment (of course - he is in his 9th - long distance traveling), and there is Venus in his 3rd but this is not a short jurney.

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He is in his own terms (as usual - it is always like this), I am the Sun - in his 2nd of possesions so we can say that he values me. Me - Moon - in opposition with that Venus. Don`t know what to think or what to believe any more.

I hope mods. can ``fix`` this.
Thank you mods.
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natasa812

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He also told me that he has many difficulties with his job at the moment and also problems with his payments. His 8th of others people money is ruled by Sun. (I know - it is me - don`t ask anything - it is conected to some paperwork and documents that are in my hand).His every day job ruled by Moon (also me) and his carrer ruled by Venus (is that THAT Venus?). I don`t believe this chart. So, maybe, he is in some problems indeed. His 2nd of possetions ruled by Saturn as also as his 1th and 12th - by him.
If anyone can tell is he really in problems or not...
Thank you in advance
 

FleetingDasein

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I asked a similar question a while ago, and in order to find out if he had someone else we looked at the reception between planets. We're supposed to look at the 7th house ruler, Saturn and see if he likes any other planet besides your significator. Saturn is separating from Mercury, in it's dignity. Mercury likes Saturn.

I think turning the chart might make things a little bit too confusing. The possible other and the person asking the question would then be represented by the sun?

Is the chart fit to be judged? The ascedant is fairly eary.
 
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FleetingDasein

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I already said it was separating in the previous post. My point was that both planets seem to like each other and maybe that should be considered, too.
 

Neptune Rising

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Doesn't Venus represent lovers?
I asked a question and Venus always came up as the other person.

In this case, Venus is in Saturn's detriment, so if there is someone else she doesn't like him. There is a very mixed reception with Saturn and Venus. They also had an opposition when Venus was in Pisces, then she moved into Saturn's detriment Aries, looks. Venus also rules Saturn's/his 5th house. She's in his 3rd house of communications and will sextile Jupiter, ruler of his 3rd house. He is in Venus' triplicity and fall and his own terms.

Not sure why Venus is in Sun's exhaltation, she knows about you?

There is positivity in some way though, Moon trines the Descendant. I'd like to hear what the others think of that trine.

Perhaps he is trying to sort out that mess, hence the confusion.

Moon trines Mars, Jupiter in 5 somethings, 5 days? I cannot see the numbers too clearly. Mars rules the 5th and is very strong in the 7th angle.

I learned from Ray, Saturn in the 3rd could show the delays in communications.

In 6 somethings, days or weeks, you will be feeling better, Sun moves into Pisces and out of its detriment. :) No good to be making yourself ill.

I wish you the best
NR
 

RayAustin

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Natasa I am thinking more along the lines that there is preoccupation with other things in his life, more than there is another person. Saturn as a sluggish planet is not out doing things, rather focused on things.
Now venus is in his third house. There might be thoughts of another woman, but such a woman would not take to him kindly, being in Saturn's fall. Perhaps there is a woman angry at him that he is dealing with, or it could also just be you and your current state.
I don't think there are really strong arguments that there is another woman he's romantically involved with, based on the state of Venus.
 

natasa812

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Dear Ra, you are right for one more time. You - thinking along the lines, are his exact words. That he is having many problems in his life at the moment (financial, appeals from his ex wife, with his job - changes and not so ``stable`` position, also with some family members who are in the hospital at the moment). I just could not believe that ALL of it happened to him at the SAME TIME.
And yes, there is a woman angry at him and very, in fact. I wrote above ``appeals`` and I ment sues at law.

Ra, you are the best, love your hair style - very free spirit. And your glance is sharp.
 

natasa812

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Neptune Rising said:
1. In this case, Venus is in Saturn's detriment, so if there is someone else she doesn't like him. There is a very mixed reception with Saturn and Venus. They also had an opposition when Venus was in Pisces, then she moved into Saturn's detriment Aries, looks. Venus also rules Saturn's/his 5th house. She's in his 3rd house of communications and will sextile Jupiter, ruler of his 3rd house. He is in Venus' triplicity and fall and his own terms.

2. Not sure why Venus is in Sun's exhaltation, she knows about you?


3. Perhaps he is trying to sort out that mess, hence the confusion.

NR

1. Everything above is corect. This is his ex wife and if she rules his 5th house it is because of their child and ``unsolved`` law issues about alimony and taking care.

2. And yes, she probably knows about me.

3. And yes, it was exactly what he told me - that he is trying to sort out the mess.

Thank you again, I was just in agony (again) and the way he speaks...very Cancerian - about feelings, confused feelings, confused situation, confusion generaly, adding some family members in the conversation and THEIR feelings, and thoughts... I usualy do not understand a single word.

I am better now, thank you all dear co-members
 

natasa812

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Olivia said:
Okay, if the question is does HE have somebody else, then we're looking at HIM as 7, and his POSSIBLE OTHER as his 7th, or the radical 1st, if I followed the question correctly.

His signifier is Saturn, the signifier of his Possible Other is Sun. Saturn and Sun do not make any aspects - so no, it looks like he doesn't have someone else.

Moon in 3 as your secondary significator - the first aspect it makes is to trine Mars in your 7th (him), could that be the weird or the discord between you? Then Moon opposes Venus (Venus in your 9th, a woman at a distance?), then it trines Jupiter and the North Node.

I'd see it as no, he doesn't have somebody else (no Sun-Saturn aspect), but you might have a row over it (Moon to Mars and Moon to Venus), but it'll blow over pretty quickly - Moon to Jupiter + North Node - all within a couple of degrees of each other.

Thank you Olivia, I feel better now.
 

natasa812

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FleetingDasein said:
I already said it was separating in the previous post. My point was that both planets seem to like each other and maybe that should be considered, too.

Thank you Fleeting Dasein. We do like each other, the problem was ``confused situation`` and him talking about ``confused feelings``. I am Sag. and I always speak directly (even bluntly) and this way of communication is unknowned to me.

Thank you again
 

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1. I want him out of my life.
2. I am having bad feeling about the whole situation and he is being rude. Calling whenever he wants, talking about problems, confused feelings, his mother confused feelings, other family members comfused feelings (he is Cancer - sorry water signs), and than, HE DISAPPEARS - for days - in his shell - shelter I gues. Than, he comes back, with MORE confused feelings...

I already told him that there is no reason for us to see each other again, but he just told me, like nothing was going on ``Ok, than, I`ll call you tomorow to arrange a meeting`` (he ment with me...). He THINKS he will see me tomorow (for a Cancer he is quite optimistic), I have this bad feeling that he becomes rude and I am always cuting those trees in the root. This is insolence and he is arrogant.

3. The new question is will I be able to threw him away from my life or will he be angry in any way because I am doing this - or even, worst option - Am I in any danger... (I usualy don`t have ``intuition`` but I was having bad dreams of him comming and chasing me and me not wanting him any more...)
I am Venus and in detriment - not a good position. In my own terms of course. He is Mars - in my 4th telling me this evening that he is comming to see me tomorow. I (Venus) am at my every day job (in my 6th). This far this is logical. I don`t like the Moon in my 5th in conj. with Uranus - is this an unexpecting event? He is in my terms (this is also logical). I have Spica in conj. with AC and P. Fortune in my 1th but there is no conj. with P.F. Should I take those 2 factors as positive?

If we keep it simple, and the question is will I be able to trew him out of my life, the 4th and the 10th - the end of mater - no aspect, is this NO? No, oh no, oh no... :( Moon is on late degree - what is changing in here. Is the first next aspect sextile to Venus. But Venus is in his sign...
Again, I am very very sorry water signs and specialy Cancers. Very sorry again and I have to explain myself. Whan I have my freedom, I know I have it. Whan I am in relationship, I know I am in relationship. Right now, since I don`t know anything any more, I just want my freedom back and not him comming whenever he maneged to ``unknit`` his feelings and asking me ``Where are you now``, what are you doing, I am comming to see you tomorow and so on...He is controling me from a distance and at the same time, confusing the situation even more...
I want my freedom back!
 
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natasa812

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If any of you, by any chance, see that I will be too weak to do this, or (by any chance) change my mind, don`t hesitate to tell this directly to me, I`ll find strength like I always do. Tell it in the way it is, I prefere the truth.
If he is somehow bad person (in 1th horary he was in fall or in combust usualy...), tell this also...
Thank you in advance
 

Pya

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Hi Natasa,

I just happened to read your last post in this same thread and out of curiosity looked up your chart and question. I must say I haven't read any of the other posts-yours and others-in this same thread, thus i do not know the story behind this question.
That said, your chart and the question is pretty interesting. Spica rising, ruler venus in detriment in aries, and the moon at 29 weeping degree represent you and the question. From what you said, I assumed you do not have any deep romantic feelings for this person but the chart shows otherwise. Venus you are in his sign, you love him or atleast you really care, this is what the chart shows. Whereas he Mars does not seem to show the same interest in you.
Mars in aquarius is pretty detached. You said
"`Ok, than, I`ll call you tomorow to arrange a meeting`` (he ment with me...). He THINKS he will see me tomorow (for a Cancer he is quite optimistic), I have this bad feeling that he becomes rude and I am always cuting those trees in the root. This is insolence and he is arrogant.
This is descriptive of mars in aquarius. Not a cancerian trait.

The moon is void, but not void in pisces.You want to break up with him, but it seems like you already broke up with him. Moon last conjuncted uranus. Since the moon is in pisces you could take that this is still in effect. To answer your question, yes you will break up with him, if thats what you want. The moon at 29 degrees, is a weeping degree. There is something to cry about. A break up is very painful regardless of who instigated the break up.
I don't think he is going to hound you, so stop worrying. Also, if you notice the moons last traditional aspect is to saturn. Saturn rules end of matter here. An opposition is also a separating aspect. It sometimes carries with it a sense of regret, maybe its not going to end well. Perhaps, you might want to reconsider this decision. Venus is soon going to retrograde its already in its shadow.

Mercury is conjunct mars, who is this? Mercury rules his turned 5th. They are both disposited by saturn who rules his turned 10th house. Do you have any idea? It shouldn't matter, right? You've made your decision anyways.

EDIT: Moon is going to square pluto, in the next sign though..
And venus in aries may not necessarily indicate your interest in him, it could also just show your need to be independant as you said.
 
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natasa812

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Thank you for your answer, his turned 5th is his daughter he loves very much.

To reconsider my decision, he needs to change his behaviour and start to behave like an adult.

I know what chart shows - I do care. A lot. I still do. But...I did everything I could for the relationship to work, showing understanding for his divorce problems, for his child, professional issues, him calling and not calling. But, he never keeps his word, he is dissapearing just like that, comming whenever he wants and the only excuse is his confused feelings. I gave it a try many times by talking to him but the only answer is that he has problems and his behaviour stayes the same - even geting worst.
Thank you again, chart showed the situation in the way it is.
 

Pya

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Oh! he's divorced? Then I guess the opposition to saturn and moon conjunct uranus is showing his divorce. This is complicated. Now, I know why its important to know the background before interpreting a chart.
Then, Natasha I am not sure if you'll break up with him. You may not or maybe you will because moon is your co-significator.
Please, post an update if possible.
 
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natasa812

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Yes Rya, he is. And this days (this part of the story is in the previous post - a mexican TV serie as you can see...) he acctualy aplyed for issuing the final decision. In the country I live, divorce is separated by law in phases - you aply for the 1th discusion, than there goes the 2nd and the 3rd the final is about that you will not use your right to claim anything more from your ex partner (for example: property, money and so on). So, having this issue lately, he just disappeard (again), no phone calles, nothing, and than he just shows up, telling me I`ll see you tomorow. Just like that. Ignoring my denial.
He is pursuing everything he wants (including me), and (usualy) ignoring any obstacles and other peoples opinions (his AC is Aries...) - something I found very rude and arrogant...
Yes, I know it will be difficult, I still care about him, I feel sorry for all those problems he is in right now, but his behaviour is making me tired and physically ill. The most important thing for me in the relationship is trust. Whan I can not reach him on the phone, or he just disappears, I don`t know what to think and what to believe any more...
I will post the feedback, I always do.
Thank you again...
 

Pya

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Natasa,
In horary we dont look for aspects outside the signs, sometimes we do look for the moons aspects outside of the sign..but usually not for the main significator. Thats like looking too far ahead ..
However, I did look into the chart a little more and looked for possibile aspects beyond the signs. Moon is soon squaring Pluto, which represents intensity and complications. This somehow leads me to believe that you might not break up, and even if you do its not a final break up. With pluto its never over.
Moon enters aries ruled by mars, your primary significator is already in aries, you will only be more into him. Venus will retrograde back and conjunct mars(this is like looking too far ahead, ..not sure if you should take this into consideration)
As for his behavior, he might not change. He is in fixed sign.
You might take some kind of action with regards to this matter though. All angles are cardinal, venus is in aries. Conclusion you might not break up for good but you will take some action on this matter.

***I am learning horary, I am not an expert. Do not take my readings seriously***
Always follow your instincts.:)
 

natasa812

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Dear Rya, thank you again. I just wrote about his AC and sign because I wanted to give ``general`` picture of him in the best way. And yes, I always remind myself to keep it simple in horary since this is the 1st rule and not to look at different aspect, just to main significators. Yes, inside of me I don`t want to break up but, on the other side, I know that is difficult for people to change. Yes, my intention was to take some action about this and to talk to him (again). I`ll post feedback.
You are learning horary but you are much better than me.
I am following my instincts, thank you. Wish you the very very best
Natasa
 
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