Confused by Sun Conjunct Venus & Moon Square Saturn/Pluto

There's this guy that I have been interested in but we are just friends (at the moment) out of curiosity looked our compat chart. Although I understood the majority of it must admit I was confused with some aspects and was hoping someone could shed some light on it for me. We have the following

Sun Conjunct Mars
Sun Conjunct Venus
Venus Conjunct Mars
Sun Square Ascendant
Sun Sextile Jupiter
Mercury Sextile Jupiter
Venus Sextile Jupiter
Mars Sextile Jupiter
Moon Square Saturn
Saturn Square Pluto
Venus Square Ascendant
Mars Square Ascendant
Neptune Trine Ascendant
Moon Sextile Ascendant .
Moon Conjunct Pluto
Moon Sextile Neptune

The main confusion for me is Sun Conjunct Venus - This indicates chart is one of the strongest indications of a love relationship between two people but then we have Moon Square Saturn - Iindicating a lack of emotional affinity between us, likely to produce a sense of emotional alienation, may feel lonely with each other And Saturn Square Pluto - One of us having feelings of struggling in chains forged by the other, that the relationship is restrictive, with natural growth is being inhibited, Such a relationship can face quite unpleasant circumstances, most commonly in the form of increasing emotional coldness and remoteness between you but then there is Venus Square Ascendant sign of a deeply loving relationship.

How can a relationship be this contradicting? Is it worth persuing?

Basic astrology
Now basically your sun sign is your 'core beliefs, values, ego' and Asc is your physical body, mode of expression and mask and persona that we all wear and hide behind, but definitely not what's going on underneath. What's going on underneath is your Sun sign. Moon sign, house placements and aspects describe your emotional and intuitive responses, also describes your view of your mother, as saturn describes your father by sign and house position.

So, think of a glass milk bottle the bottle is your Asc and your sun the milk, but the milk still has to 'come out' through the glass neck of the milk bottle....

Now aspects within a natal chart represent 'facets' of our personality, because we are all multifaceted beings. What these do is 'break down and compartmentalise' these facets into smaller bite size chunks. This does take quite a lot of self analysis and objectivity to 'see yourself' and why you do certain things and behave in certain ways. Actually it can be quite good therapy...

Now it mainly pure maths the aspects are 'facets' of our personality and therefore by chart comparison the aspects one person's planets make to another are facets or ways of behaviour and interactions with each other.

We are all visual people here and need to 'see' charts. There is a problem viewing attachments at the moment -- so in the meantime try this ----

Everyone I think I've found a temporary solution to attachments. If you upload via your control panel and save to your album and then copy and paste the link into your thread --- this seems to work. Only slight problem you may have to trim the size down to fit ie: 600 x 600 in some kind of software or accessories/paint first


Venus conj Asc means the Asc person will think the venus person very attractive and sociable. Plus in synastry the max orb allowed is 3' and cos you haven't posted the chart we don't know what orbs you used and whether these aspects are valid.



How to attach a chart as thumbnail

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3) Back at our forum, finish your post; then click on the 'Go advanced' button (it is right below the space, where you key in your message).

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5) Once the window opens, hit 'Search' to search for the image-file (the chart) that you just saved on your computer. Now upload it by clicking on the 'Upload' button.

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So instead of attaching, put in album via your control panel and then post the link in your thread...

When looking at a woman’s chart the type of man she would look for is her sun sign and mars traits, plus 7th house planets and house cusp ruler and where that ruler was deposited.
When looking at a mans chart for the type of woman he would look for is his venus and moon sign and then 7th house planets and house cusp ruler and where that ruler was deposited.

Although synastry is a valuable tool with astrology it cannot 'make things happen' even if you have the best synastry in the world unfortunately..

If you want to research more into synastry try here
http://cafeastrology.com/astrology_of_relationships.html
http://www.cafeastrology.com/synastry/interchartaspects.html
http://www.cafeastrology.com/synastry_house_overlays.html
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/synastry.html
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/synastry-houses.html
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/synastryaspects.html
http://www.cosmitec-astrological-compatibility-advice.com/astrology-marriage.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17513
http://www.astrotheme.com/synastry_advice.php

You could have the best synastry in the world, but unless you have good communications, are honest with each other about your needs, wishes and desires and 'both' of you want the same things...........then nothing will happen. It cannot make anyone change, or love you more. Some challenging squares, oppositions in synastry can be healthy, and may require one or both of you to grow in some way. Astrological natal charts cannot explain environmental factors, financial handicaps/ restraints and what position you hold in society, neither can it tell you if you are of ‘Royalty’ or beggar.

I am of the belief that people come in and out of our lives for a reason, either we have to teach them something or we have to learn something from them. There is Always an exchange, good or bad.

Good luck with your journey

Thank you so much for your reply I have found it very educational and your explaination of how the asc and sun work is the best I have heard so far. For newbies like myself, simple laymen’s terms makes the whole understanding a lot easier.

I do believe as you that some challanges in charts are healthy and keeps us evolving into better people. Which is a factor in wanting to learn more on astrology.

I want to understand and get a grip with how the planets effect us. I have already faced some hometruths about myself and where I am not normally a jealous person this guy brings this out in me without doing anything. I hate not being in control of my feelings when it comes to him, but now I see our charts it kind of explains why I have been feeling this way. Having Moon conjuct pluto I probably have tried to control him by having his attention all the time. As a result I see that has caused problems in our friendship and he probably does see me as too intense.

Altough nothing is set in stone, it is set in the planets so does such an aspect mean this will always be a pitfall of the relationshipt?

I am attaching our charts fingers crossed it works this time!

Thank you again
xx

Attaching files still hasnt worked and I cant copy and past directly onto here for some reason. Will ask afew friends as they maybe able pin point why it does not work for me.

bluebell said:

Attaching files still hasnt worked and I cant copy and past directly onto here for some reason. Will ask afew friends as they maybe able pin point why it does not work for me.

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No one can view attachments at the moment, although admin are trying to resolve matters -- so in the meantime try this ----

Everyone I think I've found a temporary solution to attachments. If you upload via your control panel and save to your album and then copy and paste the link into your thread --- this seems to work. Only slight problem you may have to trim the size down to fit ie: 600 x 600 in some kind of software or accessories/paint first.

Ok I am hoping this works now...
Bluebell Natal 600x600

Jack Natal 600x600.1

Fingers crossed...

It worked ..... Astrologer50 you are a genius!

bluebell said:

It worked ..... Astrologer50 you are a genius!

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now you have this figured out how about a synastry bi wheel from astro and a composite chart?

I've tried to identify some of the aspects you recorded in post 1, but I am simply not seeing them. The maximum orb for synastry is 3' what orbs have you been using??

Ok, I have added the two types of charts you mentioned

synastrie

composiite chart 600x600


But the the one I did first of all to get the info I used for my first post was done on Astro.com and I used the partner chart. astro com chart 600x600
I haven't looked closely at the first two chart that you recommended but at a glance they look so different to this one!

the bi wheel you posted is awful and more importantly it doesn't show the degrees of each planet, we need the synastry bi wheel from astro.com. Go to extended chart selection and you have multiple choices.

the partner chart is the composite, and you have also posted the davison chart. These two are slightly different
Composites describe the relationship, not either one of you, but what you came together to learn or to do and how the 'pair of you' function when together....

http://books.google.com/books?id=dUulSwQoEC4C&pg=PR16&dq=robert+hand+composites&ei=r8HRSsXNEJvmygSIsP3eCQ#v=onepage&q=&f=false

The Book ---Planets in Composite: Analyzing Human Relationships By Robert Hand-- is greatly recommended

Wow I have a lot to learn

I had no idea that the time of meeting was just as important, when I get back (as am off to a family boxing day lunch) I will look further into.

I will look into buying that recommended book aswell - as i think i need all the help i can get at this stage

Thanks again

bluebell said:

Wow I have a lot to learn

I had no idea that the time of meeting was just as important IT'S NOT WHERE DID YOU GET THAT IMPRESSION? get back (as am off to a family boxing day lunch) I will look further into.

I will look into buying that recommended book aswell - as i think i need all the help i can get at this stage

Thanks again

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We have a Recommendations forum to for books, software etc

Hi Astrologer50,

I have tried to re-do the chart (via Astro.com) but am not sure which one I should be using. I go to..
Extended Chart Selection > Circular Chats >Partner charts with options…
Synastry Chart (2)
Composite chart, midpoint-method (2)
Composit + Natals, midpoint-method (2)
Davision Relationship Chart corrected (2)
Davision relationship Chart uncorrected (2)

Or instead of Partner charts should I be going to Partner Progressions then selecting one the following options

Progressed Composite Chart, Midpoint-method (2)
Progressed Composite Chart, ref. place method (2)
Progressed Composite + progressed Charts, Midp. – method (2)

There are so many types not sure which should I be looking at?

Thanks x

bluebell said:

Hi Astrologer50,

I have tried to re-do the chart (via Astro.com) but am not sure which one I should be using. I go to..
Extended Chart Selection > Circular Chats >Partner charts with options…
Synastry Chart (2) YES
Composite chart, midpoint-method (2) YES
Composit + Natals, midpoint-method (2)
Davision Relationship Chart corrected (2)
Davision relationship Chart uncorrected (2)

Or instead of Partner charts should I be going to Partner Progressions then selecting one the following options

Progressed Composite Chart, Midpoint-method (2) NO
Progressed Composite Chart, ref. place method (2) NO
Progressed Composite + progressed Charts, Midp. – method (2) NO

There are so many types not sure which should I be looking at?

Thanks x

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Just try the ones above

Haizea, You got him down to a tee, he is never jealous of anything or anyone instead he knows how to keep you in place without you even realising its happened!

I thought I would be better off not being around him as I don’t like how jealous I can get when I am, but its really difficult as he is also one of my closest friends and I miss him for that. hency one of the many reasons why I wanted to know myself better with astrology.

I am really grateful for your help and advice.

This is the chart that I re-did the way you recommended

Synastry Chart 600x600

if this is the correct chart (and I havent missed anything out) I will then try and work out what it all means.

Astrologer50, sorry hadnt seen your message but I will also have a look at Composite chart, midpoint-method (2)

So, bluebell, you're not a reguarl Gemin gal-- conj saturn
When a sun sign is conjunct a heavyweight planet from Saturn onwards, ie: Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, that sun person automatically becomes and honorary Saturian, Uranian, Neptunian and Plutonian cos the contact with very strong

The synastry bi wheel does not show the main aspects you are asking about ie; sun conj venus -- no Moon square satur/pluto -- no.

The good/helpful aspects are his jupiter conj your sun, his venus trine your moon/neptune, his moon/saturn trine your moon/neptune. Now his mars is square your jupiter and this suggests the way he acts gives you confidence in expanding, learning and romance (your jup in 5th house)
His mars square your mars is 'at odds' and causes tension, square venus is heightened sexual activity.

His pluto is square your mars is all about control and again sexual energy. Your mars/venus in 11th suggests this is where you put your energy (mars) and where you give and receive affection/romance (venus/11th) with friends, groups etc. His pluto falls in your 2nd house of personal values, beliefs etc and this is where you will feel him trying to control you.
Now your Pluto is opposite his mars- so this theme is going both ways. What Pluto tends to do is push the mars person to act in ways that may not be in thier best interests and overextend themselves, thereby Pluto gaining the upper hand. A lot of course depends on how each Pluto is aspected natally to....

Hope this helps

Hi Haizea and Astrologer50

I can not begin to thank you for both for your help with this. I have much to learn, I have on and off over these past few days been trying to understand how you see those aspects - Lets just say I wish I paid more attention in maths with all these angles i need to be aware of.

As the previous charts were not the right ones I want to try and understand how the aspecting works (ie what degree's mean what aspect) rather then rely on a computer to tell me.

Another thing I came across while doing my research was a statement made by someone who said if you have saturn in your 5th house it basically means you wont have children..Is this correct? although it wasnt something I was looking to find out, it has now caugh my attention. If that is an indication of a "highly likely not to" have children is there one which indicates a "highly likely to have" children?
Are there any particular sites you can recommend that maybe able to help me with this aswell???

xx

ps Haizea I am also looking for those other funny coincidence.

Another thing I came across while doing my research was a statement made by someone who said if you have saturn in your 5th house it basically means you wont have children..Is this correct? although it wasnt something I was looking to find out, it has now caugh my attention. If that is an indication of a "highly likely not to" have children is there one which indicates a "highly likely to have" children?
Are there any particular sites you can recommend that maybe able to help me with this aswell???

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http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h5.html
This site is more a Traditional astrolgers site and I'm a modern astrologer that uses Equal house system. the fifth is also the house of 'self employment' romance, creativity as well as children.

Now whever Saturn falls in the charts is 'where we lack confidence' and put in extra effort to attempt compensation. The area of the chart ie: house is where we feel uncomfortable. Now conception and sex is an 8th house matter. Saturn can suggest a delayed pregnancy til after your first saturn return, or even a long time in labour maybe. It all depends on lots of things, what is the house cusp ruler doing and the aspects to it etc.

Predicting marriage and/or having children can be done, but it is not easy, time consuming and intricate. There are lots of things to take into consideration like, secondary progressions, what interaspects one chart makes to another, Solar arcs, Solar returns, Transits etc
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3192
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3179
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14255



Go to Astro.com, Astro.com, Extended Chart Selection, Special Charts, Lunar Phases Fertility Calendar. Fertile days will be marked in red. I hope this helps.


http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15096
Pregnancy & transits thread..
The asteroid "child" 4580
On the Extended Chart Selection page, go right to the bottom and below were you select the Additional Objects (black heading) there is a box that you need to type "4580" (next to the box it reads "additional asteroids").

http://www.universalastrologer.com/asteroid.html
This website list suggests: EROS: [full no. 57] eroticism; reproductive organs; sexuality; the heart & cardiac system; the history, the Will to Live; what “turns you on;” Number on astro =433

member called Miss Saturn has a book/theory on how many marriages and children you might have on this thread…
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2013
http://books.google.com/books?id=0OJgX88KKMsC&pg=PA29&dq=carol+predictive+astrology+natal+marriage&ei=cgY9StL4L4XuzASuzMC6BQ

Where in a chart does a person see himself
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=157562#post157562