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Saturn Venus hard aspects - What's your experience?

What has been your personal experience of hard Saturn Venus aspects?

I have saturn (12th house gemini) opposite venus (0*46' orb). My experience has been these:

- Facing harshness and coldness.
- Lack of love, harmonious relationships and social life. Troubles and frustrations in relationships.
- Facing hurt, rejection, pain and humiliation. Loneliness and alienation.
- Difficulty earning a living. Troubles in financial situation.
- Depression and anxiety

What could be the karmic lesson in this aspect?

Jeanne Avery, in her book, "Astrology and your past lives" describes this aspect as those who "took themselves away" or abandoned family and friends to pursue their own interests or comitted suicide in past lives. The logic being that since they took away their love from others - now they have to face the lack of love.

However, this seems to be a very extreme punishment for learning the value of family and friends.

What has been your experience with this aspect?


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The lesson here and with every Saturn harsh aspect is that you have to find your true self,to realize that you are not your ego,that the life experiences don't have to define who you are.When you get to that point,you'll be free.

I speak from experience...I have Venus opposite Saturn,Mars opposite Saturn and Jupiter opposite Saturn^^
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The lesson here and with every Saturn harsh aspect is that you have to find your true self,to realize that you are not your ego,that the life experiences don't have to define who you are.When you get to that point,you'll be free.

I speak from experience...I have Venus opposite Saturn,Mars opposite Saturn and Jupiter opposite Saturn^^
Thank you anahath.

Would you say the same for saturn square ascendent and oppose moon? Saturn conjunt south node as well.
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What has been your personal experience of hard Saturn Venus aspects?

I have saturn (12th house gemini) opposite venus (0*46' orb). My experience has been these:

- Facing harshness and coldness.
- Lack of love, harmonious relationships and social life. Troubles and frustrations in relationships.
- Facing hurt, rejection, pain and humiliation. Loneliness and alienation.
- Difficulty earning a living. Troubles in financial situation.
- Depression and anxiety

What could be the karmic lesson in this aspect?

Jeanne Avery, in her book, "Astrology and your past lives" describes this aspect as those who "took themselves away" or abandoned family and friends to pursue their own interests or comitted suicide in past lives. The logic being that since they took away their love from others - now they have to face the lack of love.

However, this seems to be a very extreme punishment for learning the value of family and friends.

What has been your experience with this aspect?
I recently had a client with a conjunct in the 8th. I have yet to get details on the life but it does heavily present as 'feeling unloved' & with other aspects being involved with Saturn would further create resistance to overcoming the sensitivity to 'come out of the shell'. Venus-Saturn is Controlled-love & importance of time. The base is 'restricted-love' leading to low self esteem. This is noticeable. People tend to think that somehow Love will wane & they tend to get underneath every little manipulation/trouble in a relationship (since none is perfect) & make it a self-fulfiling prophesy. Women with this contact fail to receive the love from their male-counterparts. Issue is of trust & letting go. Saturn keeps tight reins on sharing of real intimacy & the background is lack of father/appreciation from him. It also goes with 'restricted-beauty' so the person feels that they lack that & some will go overboard in compensation by becoming beauty-queens.

Other parts of the chart will indicate where those emotional issues stem from but the Venus-Saturn issues itself can be addressed from the Sign & House.
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Venus-Saturn actually helps a person make more money than usual. I did a study of 35 billionaires and Venus-Saturn was the third most common aspect.

I have seen many people with Venus-Saturn aspects with partners they feel obligated towards. They feel they can not leave the relationship/ marriage for a variety of reasons and sacrifice their personal happiness for it.

Perhaps in a past life you were too much of a drain on someone else's resources and took advantage of them. In this life, you are the person feeling drained and you feel that other people expect too much of you with little gratitude. I would say the karmic lesson is accepting the situation with grace and fulfilling the obligations that are imposed on you in relationships. This doesn't mean that you don't have a right to be happy and you do need to establish boundaries. However, do recognize that the karma has been created and will not go away until you work on it.

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What has been your personal experience of hard Saturn Venus aspects?

I have saturn (12th house gemini) opposite venus (0*46' orb). My experience has been these:

- Facing harshness and coldness.
- Lack of love, harmonious relationships and social life. Troubles and frustrations in relationships.
- Facing hurt, rejection, pain and humiliation. Loneliness and alienation.
- Difficulty earning a living. Troubles in financial situation.
- Depression and anxiety

What could be the karmic lesson in this aspect?

Jeanne Avery, in her book, "Astrology and your past lives" describes this aspect as those who "took themselves away" or abandoned family and friends to pursue their own interests or comitted suicide in past lives. The logic being that since they took away their love from others - now they have to face the lack of love.

However, this seems to be a very extreme punishment for learning the value of family and friends.

What has been your experience with this aspect?
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Re: Saturn Venus hard aspects - What's your experience?

I don't have this aspect, myself, but have seen a fair number of clients who have the opposition. None of them has had a problem making a good living, and I think they tend to put a lot of personal value on their ability to earn big bucks.

The social life tends to be very structured, favoring planned meetings (personal or organizational) over spontaneous get-togethers, for instance.

Finding love does seem to be an issue. What I see is that they are very judgmental about the men/women in their lives, and are looking for the Perfect Partner -- and of course they have trouble finding such an animal. They do seem to hold very high standards for themselves, their behavior, their looks, their success, etc., and I guess they want a partner who has the same values.

I'm not sure whether the love issue is that they feel "unloved" or that they are rather chilly, themselves, which could keep potential partners at arm's length. (Most of my Venus-Saturn clients come across that way, at least to me... as if they are evaluating me rather than trusting my judgment.) But not all of those I've met are that way. Maybe it depends on whether they identify more with Venus or with Saturn. As well as the overall disposition of the chart.

I would think that at least one lesson here is to loosen up, be less uptight, less judgmental and more accepting of self and others. Anyway, my two cents' worth.
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I have saturn in capricorn (12th house) in a tight square to my venus in libra(8th house). This aspect has to be the worst. I went to an astrologer and she said that in a past life I was in a relationship where the person adored me and then I just one day decided to leave town and left them broken hearted. She said that now in this life I have to deal with feelings of rejection, low self esteem and unrequited love.

I was in a relationship with someone who I felt was everything I wanted " my perfect soulmate" ...only to find out he didn't feel the same way.

I guess what frusturates me is that everyone says " you will find someone" but it seems everyone with the saturn venus square has bad luck when it comes to matters of the heart. I want to be loved so bad, but i feel i'm doomed for failure. I hate venus square saturn!! (Sorry if i sound bitter )
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I would think that at least one lesson here is to loosen up, be less uptight, less judgmental and more accepting of self and others. Anyway, my two cents' worth.
I know 2 people with Venus-Conj-Saturn & yes they both can earn esp my Sis she has it in Scorpio in 5th (the other has it in 8th) & I've seen her to be ambitious since teens about 'her worth' regarding salaries. She refuses 'free-lance' & demands good pay for her hard-work unlike myself who knows/does alot more for nothing.

Both the women are sure in their ability to earn, can find partners but don't feel 'loved' enough. Ofcourse the other parts of the chart also matter. Sis has a Pisces Moon whilst the other lady had Pisces MC. So that could be a reflection too.
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I did a study of 35 billionaires and Venus-Saturn was the third most common aspect.
Just curious, what were the top 2 aspects?
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The top 2 aspects in my billionaires study were Venus-Neptune and Mars-Mercury, 69% of the 35 billionaires had these aspects.
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The top 2 aspects in my billionaires study were Venus-Neptune and Mars-Mercury, 69% of the 35 billionaires had these aspects.
Venus-Neptune might be illegal gathering or artistic..... Interesting that Mars-Mercury should take the lead. I was hoping for Jupiter-pluto...ooh well, guess no cash luck for me.

Sorry back to Venus-Saturn.
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Jupiter-Pluto is ninth on the list of most common aspects. You can see the full study at http://www.astronumerologywisdom.com...and-money.html
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I have seen many people with Venus-Saturn aspects with partners they feel obligated towards. They feel they can not leave the relationship/ marriage for a variety of reasons and sacrifice their personal happiness for it.

Perhaps in a past life you were too much of a drain on someone else's resources and took advantage of them. In this life, you are the person feeling drained and you feel that other people expect too much of you with little gratitude. I would say the karmic lesson is accepting the situation with grace and fulfilling the obligations that are imposed on you in relationships. This doesn't mean that you don't have a right to be happy and you do need to establish boundaries. However, do recognize that the karma has been created and will not go away until you work on it.

I have Venus square Saturn and what you say sounds so true!

I've been in a relationship that "drained" me financially and emotionally. I didn't think it was from other lives but I had a strong feeling I had a debt towards this person! At some point I realised I couldn't sleep unless I knew this person had a good life so I did whatever I needed to do (receiving anything but gratitude) until I didn't feel the need to do anything.

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Venus-Saturn actually helps a person make more money than usual. I did a study of 35 billionaires and Venus-Saturn was the third most common aspect.

The top 2 aspects in my billionaires study were Venus-Neptune and Mars-Mercury, 69% of the 35 billionaires had these aspects.
Do you have any particular aspects in mind or any aspect would do?

I have Venus square Saturn, Venus opposition Neptune and Mars square Mercury.

I am at a point where I could make a lot of money but I shy away from it feeling "unworthy" ! In the past, when I had a lot of money I just gave it away.

From what you say I should understand that if I solve my problems regarding receiving - love and money - I could become a very rich person (emotionally too)?

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Re: Saturn Venus hard aspects - What's your experience?

For the billionaires study, any aspect between the two planets works, it is the tighter orb that matters most. You should see how many aspects out of 17 that you have, the more you have the easier it is to make money (the better your money karma). However, regardless of how many aspects you have it is still necessary to work hard to maximize results. I would say to anyone who has a lot of these aspects, start a business or look into investments. Some work on your part could make you very rich!
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I have Venus contraparallel Saturn and tend to relate to descriptions of the opposition.
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It's terrible, most things written here have turned out to be true for me: http://www.astrologicalaspects.com/venussaturn/



And they say if I marry she'll be some sick old lady most likely haha.
The karmic lession is that the force, God or whatever you like to call it plays favorites and we with a Venus/Saturn are the redheaded step-children. No need to sugar coat it that God is a total jerk to some people. F**k you God, but I do deserve loving and receiving just like some of the jerks you give everything without any effort to. You owe me big time you *******! I didn't chose to be a victim, it was forced to me, that we chose our birth time is a total b.s. Karma is unfair as if you do sth wrong you have to get a repay now, but those without this aspect lie, steal, abuse people and they always get away with it. So what if in their next life they will suffer? They won't remember any of their wrong dongs anyway so it's like punishing a child for the deeds of their ancestors. God is just like a Nazi - some are the chosen ones, others like those with Venus/Saturn are also chosen - to burn in gas chambers.
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This is victim-blaming. "You chose it, so it excuses abusive parents, teachers, and other children/people" What if I will start abusing and bullying others, you know for self-preservation? I'm done with taking b.s. from people. I did love myself for a year and was on cloud 9 and still didn't manifest any relationship. Astrology is so negative about this aspect it's time to stop reading such b.s.
Given that your opinion
to which you are entitled
is
one of the classic responses
that "we are all blameless innocent victims"
then obviously
good idea to seek answers elsewhere

otherwise face reality
and consider the Law of Unintended Consequences



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The lesson here and with every Saturn harsh aspect is that you have to find your true self,to realize that you are not your ego,that the life experiences don't have to define who you are.When you get to that point,you'll be free.
This is something I'm trying to learn.
I realize I am easily shaped by my experiences in a bad way.
I take what happens to me and let it put me down immensely.
For example, I was truly affected by a co-worker that refused to help me when I asked for his help politely. I felt rejected and that maybe it was because of me, personally, that he didn't want to help. My whole night was ruined by his behavior... It increased my depression.

Looking back at that, I should have looked at it this way- that was his choice, and it hurt that he didn't want to help, but I'm doing a good job without his help anyway. I should reassure myself with positive affirmations. Plus, he probably was in a bad mood.

His, or anyone's, choices do not define me, it is my own choices that define me.

There is this quote, "You can be the ripest, juiciest peach in the world, and there's still going to be somebody who hates peaches.”

and

"The world is filled with people who, no matter what you do, will point blank not like you. But it is also filled with those who will love you fiercely. They are your people. You are not for everything and that’s OK. Talk to the people who can hear you..."

If I were a painting of a beautiful ocean of pink, some people will walk right by me and not notice or like me, but there are some that might actually appreciate and like me.

I am still beautiful in my own way, I just need to stop focusing on those that don't see me in that way.


“We all have a life to live! We all have unique and distinctive purposes to fulfill! Everybody has a purpose on earth, and everybody must live the true purpose why God gives life to us each day! You are not on earth to compete with anybody but your true purpose. You are not on earth to compare yourself to anybody, but the you in you and the true purpose for which you came here! Life is good when you don’t compare yourself in a manner that will make you feel bad. Life is good when you know your true purpose in life and who you must live to be and to please! You fulfill your true you distinctively when you understand you are you and not anybody! So many people are living others destiny just because they have neglected their own true purpose! So many people think badly just because they compare themselves wrongfully with others and things! Everybody has a life and everybody must live a life! If there is any reason to compare yourself to others and things, let it be the inspiration you get from comparing yourself with others and things that makes you do something unique! There is a true reason for our existence on earth and we must reason from nothing, but the true reason why we live each day!”

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I have Saturn squaring my Moon, Mercury, Venus, and Midheaven...
and boy oh boy has it been very troubling for me with these aspects...
Lots of loneliness, depression, anxiety, etc...

But i think what's been working for me is to stop comparing and just live my life..whatever that may be because i am still trying to figure it out... but i am currently trying to just work on myself for myself.

I also want to add that I had a long-term friendship with someone that made me feel like a mother to her rather than an actual friend.
Her Saturn and chiron squared my moon, mercury, venus, and midheaven, just like my natal.

Our friendship lasted about 9 years until she finally found a boyfriend and I was allowed to be set free of a draining relationship....

Unfortunately, she is dealing with some major issues regarding him, but i told her she needs to see a therapist for the problem she was having. I've helped her with almost everything in life, but this time, I am in no good mental/emotional state to help or have the knowledge to help her with what she's dealing with. I don't want her to see me as if i have all the answers because i don't, and if i'm always helping her, she'll never be able to do things on her own and I'll never be able to work on my own personal problems.
I helped her best i could, but now i cannot anymore, i need to work on myself.

Plus, she was not supportive of me when I had severe panic attacks...and she'd get mad at me for having depression... our relationship was co-dependent and it needed to end.
Although i still care for her and love her, it's just that we need to live our own lives, and our lives have become too different to collide harmoniously.

Our life together was similar to having two sick people trying to help each other get better only to stay sick. That's not good...

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If that is true then we have the choice of free will during our lives, what about abortion then? If a soul is born at the time the celestial rays and karma were in exact alignment then if another soul chooses to abort that soul out of free will, the aborted soul will not have had the chance of free will and the celestial rays cant perform their karma properly?
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If one coworker refuses help, ask another one, if they do too, ask another etc. With this aspect I get it that we should ask for help and not bear all the weight alone. Come on, I've helped so many people that later turned against me, it felt like they ar eusing me, suck all my time and energy and disgracefully discard of me once their situations improve. I learned to avoid extra weight, it's their path/lives/etc. Who will help me? No one, so I will not help others with anything else rather than empathy, smile but just in passing, from a far. Broken people are not entitled to my time and energy, so I am learning not to try and fix them, now when I see the red flaghs I am the one that discards them. Or keep them around but refuse to talk about unpleasant things and since all they do is complaining they move on looking for other saviors. You can't learn self-love if you're always someone else's therapist and doormat.

I do help people with little things at work, but not as much as before as I was going crazy by the work overload. Now I learned to know my limits and say "No, I am busy". I am also like most Greek people I know - I prefer doing most things on my own pace, slowly-slowly When I was rushing around, chasing god knows what it felt like I was becoming more anxious and running away from life. Now I try to treasure every moment like it's the last and I feel more satisfied. And a part of that includes saying "No" to extra work I know will overload me. I am not perfect so why act like I am and can do anything, I can't. So maybe guardian00angel, he just was overloaded by this time by the requests by others and decided to start saying "no"? You also have the right to say "No", and as a Venus/Saturn person you have to learn to set boundaries.
The story about asking a coworker for help was when I was 18 lol, it was the only thing that i could think of for a good example at the time. I'm 23 going on 24 now and I'm much better at saying "No."
It was really hard for me to break from being over-sacrificing because I learned it from my parents. I won't go into detail, but it's really hard to de-condition what you learn from childhood, but I'm getting better now that I'm reframing myself.

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omg, I learned that a little before my bestie found her current boyfriend.
It was perfect timing because now I have more me-time, much needed-time haha

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as a Venus/Saturn person you have to learn to set boundaries.
Yes, this is very true. It's important to know when to draw the line so not to overextend oneself. I was so use to being in the company of people who get mad at me because I couldn't do certain things that when I come across people who are so understanding and not get mad at me because I didn't do something they liked, it felt really weird for me.
I'm trying to get used to that.
I never knew how bad I was in until I was treated differently. I realized then that those people who I spent my time with, they were the types to not forgive easily and not try to see another's perspective, and I don't want to spend my time around such energy.

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Re: Saturn Venus hard aspects - What's your experience?

I have Venus square Saturn in my natal chart and I can say that it's actually giving me the sense that I will never be able to find the "real love" but at the same time I have so much of faith and belief in it that one day I will.


However, I cannot seem to ever attract anyone without problems. Somehow I always attract people that are not very trustworthy or hard to reach. And when I have them, I'm not THAT into them anymore. It's weird. I always find some flaw in them and then stop liking them... but before, I would be the one that is always insecure. As if my partner is always looking for someone else or he will leave me one day. I would get really clingy and JEALOUS. And paranoid... very unhealthy. And still trying to save the relationship and not ending it even though you know you should. So I still don't know whether it was my partners actions (such as flirting with others etc) that helped me become this way OR I was always like this anyway. I'm still trying to figure out.

Until a few months ago I would always try to find the one but now I don't even feel like doing that, mostly focused on my studies and career. Because even when I think of someone being my boyfriend or whatever, I see some flaw or sense something about them and get turned off just like that. It could be about trying to the "perfection." But it could also related to my Mars square Saturn aspect.

I have Mercury square Saturn too so maybe don't mind me lol

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Re: Saturn Venus hard aspects - What's your experience?

I have Venus In Capricorn Square Saturn In Aries, I would say that Iíve been through Friendships where a few of them have wanted to fight me for no good reason, Maybe They didnít like me from the start and they were just using me? I think My Venus Conjunct Neptune Plays a Part also, I donít see Everything So Clearly But I tend to Attract Losers who have no Life or Theyíre mentally slower than I Am to me (maybe has to do with my Mercury Sextile Mars Aspect)But Either way I had a friend of 8 years Who also has Venus-Saturn Aspect as well, I think with whoever has the same aspect as me like were both meant to deal with our Karma that weíve created and we have to work on our Relationship Constantly

Iím currently with Someone who has the same Venus-Saturn Square but just a wider Orb, but we definitely feel like we couldnít leave eachother even if we tried, But Heís Annoying most of the time (I think Iíll blame it on his Moon Conjunct Uranus Aspect) LOL
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