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Does your friend's Mercury aspect any planets in Libra, say Saturn or Jupiter in Libra? Or 8th house? I find it difficult to believe Mercury in Virgo itself can produce a brilliant legal mind. The one case I know of was a great engineer, but technical proficiency doesn't necessary equate to strategic problem solving.[/Q

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I beg to differ here! Mercury in Virgo is the definition of strategic problem solving. I have mercury in Virgo and (in the words of my boss and colleagues, not me) am personally responsible for strategically generating 20% more revenue for the entire company in one year. All we Mercury Virgos do is strategically problem solve! We canít turn our brains off!
YES. Mercury In Virgo is tremendous for problem solving and trouble shooting.

And they can be quite intelligent,and creative, deep thinkers, not simply technically proficient.


For example:

Leo Tolstoy---a Russian writer Ė novelist, essayist, dramatist and philosopher Ė as well as pacifist Christian anarchist and educational reformer.


Madame Blavatsky --- a founder of the Theosophical Society

J.K Rowling---an English fiction writer who writes under the pen name

CoCo Chanel----a pioneering French fashion designer whose modernist philosophy, menswear-inspired fashions, and pursuit of expensive simplicity made her arguably the most important figure in the history of 20th-century fashion. Her influence on haute couture was such that she was the only person in the field to be named on TIME Magazine's 100 most influential people of the 20th century.


Alfred Hitchcock---was a highly influential film director and producer who pioneered many techniques in the suspense and thriller genres. He directed more than fifty feature films in a career spanning six decades, from the silent film era, through the invention of talkies, to the colour era.

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[Mercury is in Virgo too, but not conjunct .

She is very feisty. And cunning. She was a legal secretary and ran the entire office and has a brilliant legal mind. Her attorney bosses credited her with much of the legal strategy they'd use because she was so intelligent and detailed. And she has an amazing memory.]





Does your friend's Mercury aspect any planets in Libra, say Saturn or Jupiter in Libra? Or 8th house? I find it difficult to believe Mercury in Virgo itself can produce a brilliant legal mind. The one case I know of was a great engineer, but technical proficiency doesn't necessary equate to strategic problem solving.

Her Mercury sextiles Uranus in Cancer, which may improve her problem solving skills.

But in and of itself, Mercury in Virgo is highly intelligent and well equipped for strategic planning and problem solving. Mercury is at home and highly attuned in Virgo, the sign of detailed, skilled, organizational thought.
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But in and of itself, Mercury in Virgo is highly intelligent and well equipped for strategic planning and problem solving. Mercury is at home and highly attuned in Virgo, the sign of detailed, skilled, organizational thought.
Very true. In fact, I am wondering about Mercury in Virgo sextiling Moon (or maybe Mars) in Scorpio. Such a person must be so good at outfoxing people, it's scary.

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Re: how does mars in virgo fight?

Interestingly, my dad's a Virgo Mercury with a Scorpio moon and he's a lawyer. Well, at least that was his profession, now it seems he's going into teaching. I've never seen him in action, so I can't attest for the Virgo Mercury-Scorpio placement mix,but the fact he was drawn to being a lawyer probably says something
He is a very intelligent man, not very creative or imaginative which he'll admit himself, but he's very logical and rational and can defeat with pure facts
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YES. Mercury In Virgo is tremendous for problem solving and trouble shooting.

And they can be quite intelligent,and creative, deep thinkers, not simply technically proficient.


For example:

Leo Tolstoy---a Russian writer Ė novelist, essayist, dramatist and philosopher Ė as well as pacifist Christian anarchist and educational reformer.


Madame Blavatsky --- a founder of the Theosophical Society

J.K Rowling---an English fiction writer who writes under the pen name

CoCo Chanel----a pioneering French fashion designer whose modernist philosophy, menswear-inspired fashions, and pursuit of expensive simplicity made her arguably the most important figure in the history of 20th-century fashion. Her influence on haute couture was such that she was the only person in the field to be named on TIME Magazine's 100 most influential people of the 20th century.


Alfred Hitchcock---was a highly influential film director and producer who pioneered many techniques in the suspense and thriller genres. He directed more than fifty feature films in a career spanning six decades, from the silent film era, through the invention of talkies, to the colour era.
I think this whole thing also has something to do with Mercury's house placement and aspects, as well as other planets' involvement.

My theory for why Virgo Mercury can be creative is that Virgo can see details others miss. Virgo also can't help fixing things. So when you see something is missing in your field and you know exactly how to fill in the gap, what would you do? Certainly you won't just walk away. Virgo may be less imaginative than other signs, but it's more willing to make a change if it has a chance.
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I think this whole thing also has something to do with Mercury's house placement and aspects, as well as other planets' involvement.

My theory for why Virgo Mercury can be creative is that Virgo can see details others miss. Virgo also can't help fixing things. So when you see something is missing in your field and you know exactly how to fill in the gap, what would you do? Certainly you won't just walk away. Virgo may be less imaginative than other signs, but it's more willing to make a change if it has a chance.
Itís an interesting question; why is Mercury so favored in Virgo when it seems like it may be fairly limited and restricted based on sign description? I can only say that from my experience, (and I have that Virgo Merc right on the ascendant and itís also my chartís final depositor) is that I become obsessed absolutely obsessed with mental persuits. When thereís a problem Iím trying to solve, I donít sleep. I go over and over every angle and do not let myself rest until I can satisfy myself that the problem is solved. Because of this full on engagement with projects, creativity comes naturally because I fully emmerse myself in ďthe worldĒ Iím dealing in and I donít stop to wonder whether or not the world I am envisioning and engaging with during that process matches what others would do or have done (well thatís not exactly accurate because all the while Iím checking a cross checking likely results with a metric that includes a working knowledge of what has come before), so results can be pretty unique. But I believe anyone who focused all of their energy like this would get similar results, itís just thatís what Merc in Virgo likes to do and does naturally. Like my situation at work, I came on board and I just ďsawĒ everything totally different than how it was, and just was lucky enough that my boss believed in my vision and alllowed my to transform his business. Only after implementing my ideas did I think gee, hope this works! Because I had been too busy thinking, thinking and working. Iím still kind of shaking my head about how wonderful it was/is to develop and actualize all the crazy stuff in my brain.

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Itís an interesting question; why is Mercury so favored in Virgo when it seems like it may be fairly limited and restricted based on sign description? I can only say that from my experience, (and I have that Virgo Merc right on the ascendant and itís also my chartís final depositor) is that I become obsessed absolutely obsessed with mental persuits. When thereís a problem Iím trying to solve, I donít sleep. I go over and over every angle and do not let myself rest until I can satisfy myself that the problem is solved. Because of this full on engagement with projects, creativity comes naturally because I fully emmerse myself in ďthe worldĒ Iím dealing in and I donít stop to wonder whether or not the world I am envisioning and engaging with during that process matches what others would do or have done (well thatís not exactly accurate because all the while Iím checking a cross checking likely results with a metric that includes a working knowledge of what has come before), so results can be pretty unique. But I believe anyone who focused all of their energy like this would get similar results, itís just thatís what Merc in Virgo likes to do and does naturally. Like my situation at work, I came on board and I just ďsawĒ everything totally different than how it was, and just was lucky enough that my boss believed in my vision and alllowed my to transform his business. Only after implementing my ideas did I thing, gee, hope this works! Because I had been too busy thinking, thinking and working. Iím still kind of shaking my head about how wonderful it was/is to develop and actualize all the crazy stuff in my brain.
Just curious how do you think Mercury in Gemini works? It seems that Gemini isn't as favored in Mercury as Virgo, Mercury is both ruled by and exalted in Virgo, although Gemini has more similar traits to Mercury. In the end what does Mercury want? A jack-of-all-trade like Gemini or an obsessive analyst like Virgo?
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Just curious how do you think Mercury in Gemini works? It seems that Gemini isn't as favored in Mercury as Virgo, Mercury is both ruled by and exalted in Virgo, although Gemini has more similar traits to Mercury. In the end what does Mercury want? A jack-of-all-trade like Gemini or an obsessive analyst like Virgo?
I hear you! It seems like Mercury might be happier in Gemini than in Virgo, I always kind of envied the Gemini approach. For instance, Iím still a hunt and peck typist and generally not at all impressive when it comes to a lot of manual dexterity and/or mental quickness. I donít care too much anymore now that I know my brain works well in its own way, but especially when I was younger, I really felt stupid because I couldnít pick things up quickly.
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Just curious how do you think Mercury in Gemini works? It seems that Gemini isn't as favored in Mercury as Virgo, Mercury is both ruled by and exalted in Virgo, although Gemini has more similar traits to Mercury. In the end what does Mercury want? A jack-of-all-trade like Gemini or an obsessive analyst like Virgo?
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I hear you! It seems like Mercury might be happier in Gemini than in Virgo, I always kind of envied the Gemini approach. For instance, Iím still a hunt and peck typist and generally not at all impressive when it comes to a lot of manual dexterity and/or mental quickness. I donít care too much anymore now that I know my brain works well in its own way, but especially when I was younger, I really felt stupid because I couldnít pick things up quickly.

Mercury in Virgo is 'improved' by the mutable EARTH element, in my opinion. I think the Earth energy helps ground the Mercury in Virgo, and give it focus and stability and an outlet for it's talents and skills.

Mercury in Gemini can be more problematic, in my experience with many Merc/Geminis that I have known.

Mercury in Mutable AIR has a hard time 'decelerating' and slowing down it's mind at the end of a long day of high speed thinking. Mercury in Gemini tends to get trapped in their heads, caught up in mental gymnastics, and can have difficulties when trying to focus on the most important, basic matters at hand. I have seen them become mentally exhausted and suffer anxiety, even panic attacks, when over wrought due to undue worry, concern.

I think maybe the difference is that Mercury in Virgo can put some of their plans into concrete action, as Virgo solidifies skills, as artists/craftsmen, etc.

Gemini often relies upon others to carry out their ideas, plans, instructions, and so things are left in the air, and it makes them feel vulnerable and at odds until things are carried out in the future?
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Mercury in Virgo is 'improved' by the mutable EARTH element, in my opinion. I think the Earth energy helps ground the Mercury in Virgo, and give it focus and stability and an outlet for it's talents and skills.

Mercury in Gemini can be more problematic, in my experience with many Merc/Geminis that I have known.

Mercury in Mutable AIR has a hard time 'decelerating' and slowing down it's mind at the end of a long day of high speed thinking. Mercury in Gemini tends to get trapped in their heads, caught up in mental gymnastics, and can have difficulties when trying to focus on the most important, basic matters at hand. I have seen them become mentally exhausted and suffer anxiety, even panic attacks, when over wrought due to undue worry, concern.

I think maybe the difference is that Mercury in Virgo can put some of their plans into concrete action, as Virgo solidifies skills, as artists/craftsmen, etc.

Gemini often relies upon others to carry out their ideas, plans, instructions, and so things are left in the air, and it makes them feel vulnerable and at odds until things are carried out in the future?

Yes, okay, thank you, that's exactly it. Earth manifests ideas.
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In 12/12, Merc is Regulator for Virgo, meaning directed thinking, and Domicled in Gemini, meaning enjoying thinking for its own sake.
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YES. Mercury In Virgo is tremendous for problem solving and trouble shooting. And they can be quite intelligent,and creative, deep thinkers, not simply technically proficient. For example:

Leo Tolstoy---a Russian writer – novelist, essayist, dramatist and philosopher – as well as pacifist Christian anarchist and educational reformer.

Madame Blavatsky --- a founder of the Theosophical Society

J.K Rowling---an English fiction writer who writes under the pen name

CoCo Chanel----a pioneering French fashion designer whose modernist philosophy, menswear-inspired fashions, and pursuit of expensive simplicity made her arguably the most important figure in the history of 20th-century fashion. Her influence on haute couture was such that she was the only person in the field to be named on TIME Magazine's 100 most influential people of the 20th century.

Alfred Hitchcock---was a highly influential film director and producer who pioneered many techniques in the suspense and thriller genres. He directed more than fifty feature films in a career spanning six decades, from the silent film era, through the invention of talkies, to the colour era.
Great roundup! Very informative for a comprehensive view of Mercury in Virgo, across industries and genres.

Was about to say the 'creativity' involved still need a detailed view of each chart and see where the influence may be coming from (e.g. Rowling must have Mercury to Neptune). Too lazy to so right now perhaps another will volunteer. Also agree with G888's point on the Mercury-Virgo keen, discerning eye.

On J.K Rowling, I've always been amazed how detailed the Harry Potter series were. Every single aspect of that 'fantasy world' was carried out with incredible detail, to be thoroughly enjoyable while immersed.

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Mercury in Virgo is 'improved' by the mutable EARTH element, in my opinion. I think the Earth energy helps ground the Mercury in Virgo, and give it focus and stability and an outlet for it's talents and skills.

Mercury in Gemini can be more problematic, in my experience with many Merc/Geminis that I have known.

Mercury in Mutable AIR has a hard time 'decelerating' and slowing down it's mind at the end of a long day of high speed thinking. Mercury in Gemini tends to get trapped in their heads, caught up in mental gymnastics, and can have difficulties when trying to focus on the most important, basic matters at hand. I have seen them become mentally exhausted and suffer anxiety, even panic attacks, when over wrought due to undue worry, concern.

I think maybe the difference is that Mercury in Virgo can put some of their plans into concrete action, as Virgo solidifies skills, as artists/craftsmen, etc.

Gemini often relies upon others to carry out their ideas, plans, instructions, and so things are left in the air, and it makes them feel vulnerable and at odds until things are carried out in the future?
So this is like a party animal and a workaholic. Each is good for a different thing. You need someone to light up a party and someone else to do work
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I feel like that is so true. And another reason to envy Merc in Gemini (along with the manual dexterity)
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