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Will Republicans win 2016 election?

I give the Asc. to Republicans with Saturn representing tradition/conservative. Sun in Aquarius in the first house applying a sextile to Saturn. I believe the Sun represents Bloomberg. Bloomberg's chart shows his Sun, Moon, Mercury, and Venus in Aquarius. He has made it public he's considering entering as an independent. I think that sextile shows such a move. After the sextile passes the Moon she then moves to a conj. with Saturn giving the White House to Republicans.

Added thought, because the Sun is male in the male sign Aquarius, I do not believe Hillary will be the candidate to oppose Republicans. Plus, she does not display air sign characteristics.

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Re: Will Republicans win 2016 election?

Bloomberg? He's independent now.

As a result of the Iowa caucus, the two main contenders are now Hilary and Sanders, neither of which are Republican.
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Bloomberg? He's independent now.

As a result of the Iowa caucus, the two main contenders are now Hilary and Sanders, neither of which are Republican.
Bloomberg has been a life long registered Democrat and only changed parties to run for Gov. of NY because there weren't any openings left in his party.

Seventh house could be any party in heated contention with Republicans that also means Independents. Looking for the candidate that represents Sun in Aquarius, I didn't feel Hillary or Bernie fit. Bernie maybe because of his socialist platform but when I saw Bloomberg's chart my gut said that's him. He will announce in March.

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Re: Will Republicans win 2016 election?

This is Bloomberg's birth chart. I wanted to add transits for a future date but could not figure out how to so. So I will describe the transiting planets and configuration on or about the date I believe he may enter the race for the presidency. The date I'm looking at is Feb. 25.

Transiting Jupiter and Pluto's midpoint is in opposition to his natal Mars ruler of his 10th house (desire to achieve great things). The Moon ruler of Asc. squares this opposition making the t-square configuration (desire to bring about social improvements). On this day (Feb. 25) transiting Mercury ruler of his 3rd house of communications conjs. his natal Moon bring further emphasis on this powerful configuration.

I see a possibility here.

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Re: Will Republicans win 2016 election?

If Bloomberg runs, he will give the election to the Republicans. Bloomberg will split the liberal vote with the Dems and that leaves the GOP with the win.
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Re: Will Republicans win 2016 election?

The chart shows how the Republicans will win the election with Saturn in the 11th house, I believe. It will go to the House of Representatives for a vote by each delegate in each state. The Republicans have 33 delegates, Democrats have 14 delegates and there are 3 split delegates. That's how our constitution settles the matter if no party gets the needed 270 electoral votes. Repubs win because they have more delegates. Eleventh house represents our Congress.

With the opp's Sun squaring Mars the ruler of 10th house in the 9th house, I think this show a legal battle will ensue. It's gonna be a mess if Bloomberg get into the race.

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Re: Will Republicans win 2016 election?

I think if you review the year in astrology, heck - just go and listen to the Pele Report for a couple of weeks, one can imagine how unpredictably sloppy this election could be.

The theme this week at the beginning of his video was of these lovely flowers being flushed down the toilet in a very artistic (and intentional) way. "Letting go of old things that no longer suit us" is very collective right now; it is very collective this year.

Pluto will still be in Capricorn of course, Mars will spend a great deal of time in Scorpio this year right up until the elections begin to kick off and then it is in Sag.

Sag. likes rules, I agree with them this is going to be a legal mess.

A. Where the moon happens to be that evening will be very important. Both their individual moon and The Moon. Also, their individual Jupiters, Saturns, Sag energy, and Cancer energy (opinion).

B. Individual charts are better because some of these planets suggest that no "one party" that wins may actually win. Sanders "doesn't thave a SUPER PAC!" and "oh yeah, this message is to the media as well!"

Trump can obviously be very aggressive or vindictive; after what the Republicans have done with him, do you think he has any interest in preserving their party?

Yes, one of the party "wins" the election, but it will be so much more productive to look at their individual charts because this will likely turn out to be a darkhorse election where both parties actually lose.

Basically, the universe may break everybody's heart from both sides simultaneously.

People who are "party" kind of people are not likely to enjoy this election very much regardless of their D or R. But there's also other things, like baby boomers experiencing their own form of rebelliousness decades later, but on the receiving end; this is discussed in the stellium thread though.

Feel free to disagree, *I understand what the generational planets are doing. I do not understand the personal planets of this situation nearly as well.
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Re: Will Republicans win 2016 election?

This is why I can't see using horary as only a coin toss. This chart is was made about 20 months before the 2008 presidential election and was still in the primary season. Republicans have the Asc. ruler Venus in the 12th and Desc ruler Mars in the 10th. Democrats will win but which Democrat Hillary or Obama? Mars is a male planet in Aquarius a male sign and Obama's Asc. sign is Aquarius. Obama wins.

What further surprised me about this chart as time went on was the ruler of 4th house Moon is conj Pluto in the 8th house Sag ruler and Jupiter in the 8th. We had the housing market crash during this election process. Also Mars is applying a sextile aspect to Jupiter. Obama broke all records in raising other people's money to finance his election. These are facts that show horary charts are more than a toss of a coin. It is the astrologer that uses it as a coin toss not the weakness of the chart.

When I look at the current chart for the presidential election I have concerns. Venus ruler of 4th/9th houses is applying a conj to Pluto/Mercury (ruler of 8th) in the 12th trining Jupiter in the 8th. I don't feel secure making a prediction but given the 2008 chart outcome it seems like those who are skilled in such areas might take a better look through Ingress charts.

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Re: Will Republicans win 2016 election?

democrats will win slightly ahead
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If you progress the planets forward the Sun first makes a sextile to Saturn and then the Moon conj Saturn at 14 Sag 20. The Sun is at 14 Aquarius 23 when this happens and why I give the win to Rep. Is this correct?

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Re: Will Republicans win 2016 election?

no you are wrong. u are making the same mistake as you did in the other horary
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no you are wrong. u are making the same mistake as you did in the other horary
Well, I'm going to need you to spell it out for me.

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Re: Will Republicans win 2016 election?

naw ... i'll pass.. it is the same process as who gets the job sort of thing
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Re: Will Republicans win 2016 election?

It did cross my mind that the Sun square Mars in the 9th shows that the winner of the presidency might be decided in the courts and the final outcome will not be the Republicans. Everything in me wants to resist the idea that the Constitution will be overridden by the courts but who knows how it all plays out in real time and why.

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Re: Will Republicans win 2016 election?

keep looking you are way off
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According to two methods I used, Republicans will not win. A shame as I like Trump, but he's too volatile for the Illuminati

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Re: Will Republicans win 2016 election?

Studying 10th house from CA makes me stronger in the belief the chart shows Reps winning. First you have ruler of Asc. and the Moon joined to the Sun through sextile. The Moon is conj the Asc. ruler. The Sun translates the light of Saturn to Mars. The Sun square to Mars in a cadent house shows the painfully difficult process to success.

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Moon

you seriously need to sit down and read horary book from the beginning

sun cannot translate the light when you have sun as a significator



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Why can't a signif. help their opponent into office even if unwittingly?

I'm leaving this thread until further developments.

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Re: Will Republicans win 2016 election?

An interesting news story is coming to light that brings me back to update the chart. The people in the republican party are considering having Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney, or Rick Perry run as an independent against Donald Trump. Saturn rules 1st and 12th house signifying that they are their own enemy. Considering what they are trying to do to the leader of the Republican primary, an enemy of Trump indeed. Also the GOP will bring the fury of the people down on their heads if they pull this maneuver.

Looking at the chart, Sun in Aquarius (Paul Ryan's sun sign and Rick Perry has a strong Aquarian chart) in the first aspecting Saturn on cusp of 11th (Congress) could be describing Paul more than Mitt or Rick. Here you also have the scenario of Sun (Paul, Mitt, Rick) bringing the republican party (Saturn) to the presidency (Mars). Another point of interest is the Sun's Antiscia is conj. Mars. Mars has past this point but the Sun aspects the Antiscia before moving to Mars. Does this strengthen the Sun's position to win the White House?

Bloomberg is still testing the field to see if a run as an independent is viable for him but there doesn't seem to be great support as per a news article that came out Feb.24. As long as Hillary is winning it's doubtful Bloomberg will enter the race. It was more feasible when Bernie was looking stronger.

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Aside from the horary, I posted elsewhere an article I found about a university group who has successfully called the presidential elections since 1975.
And yes, they published their prediction.
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With Mitt Romney's speech yesterday against Donald Trump, the talk is that a brokered convention is the path GOP is hoping to win the Republican nomination. If there isn't enough delegates (Mercury in 12th ruled by Saturn) for current Trump, Cruz or Rubio to win, then each delegate is free to vote for whomever they want. Enter the GOP working behind the scene to push their guy. Another person you see in the news a lot is Paul Ryan. Both Romney and Ryan will be showing to the GOP before the convention who can beat Hillary in the general election.

I believe this chart shows a new person entering the race (Sun) and taking the Republican party to the White House. Another scenario is that Saturn represents Cruz and the Sun person will help him win the nomination but with the Sun's Antiscia conj. Mars I'm not sure if that doesn't show the Sun person (someone in the shadows) winning. Any thoughts on that aspect?

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According to two methods I used, Republicans will not win. A shame as I like Trump, but he's too volatile for the Illuminati
Bring your chart and show how you came to your conclusion. If your right then I've got to rethink my chart.

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Re: Will Republicans win 2016 election?

Update: Bloomberg will not enter the race as an independent because he feels he will be helping the Republicans to win. There is another scenario in which another Democrat enters the race and replaces Hillary. She is bleeding voters. In these primaries 25% + less voters than years past are not turning out to vote. Dems need to do something. It is in the realm of possibility that at the Democrat convention they choose another candidate, someone who is in the shadows (Sun antiscia conj. Mars).

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Re: Will Republicans win 2016 election?

As I so often do after studying a chart and getting feedback, I see the chart differently.

First, in regards to the Sun translating the light of Saturn to Mars, this is not an example of translation of light. It is not so because the Sun has not perfected it's aspect with Saturn before moving to Mars. As tsmall said in another thread "Light is all about reflection, which gives rise to witnessing and testimony."

Second, because the Moon conj Saturn I felt this was a major indication of the winner. But, the Moon is not a primary signif. or co-ruler in this chart, its influence in the matter is more descriptive than determinative. Moon shows something happening and what I believe this might show is the Republican party choosing the nominee at the convention. The Moon then quickly sextiles the Sun, Democrats convention is after the Repubs. and they also will choose their nominee.

Because Saturn does not have any connection to the 10th house or 10th house ruler, they cannot win. The Sun (Democrats) squares Mars, ruler of 10th. At first glance, there is no reception between Sun and Mars and would deny them the win except the Sun's Antiscia conj Mars and I wonder if this does not give the square a reception and the ability to win.

So, I agree the Democrats will win the election but not with Hillary. Sun in Aquarius is another politician entering the race possibly at their convention.

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