Paedophilia: Sex with Children, 5th or 8th house matter?

theV

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I always thought that mars Neptune is strong indicator of sexual abuse or sexual predator or victim of abuse. It possibly indicate immoral sexual fantasies usually repressed

Remember Gilles de Rais who was a child sex abuser [deleted pornographic comment - Moderator]
 
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Inline

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Roy cited Ptolemy quoting:
"...in the case of men, investigate through Mars what will be their disposition with respect to matters of love.
- For if Mars is separated from Venus and Saturn, but has the testimony of Jupiter, he produces men who are cleanly and decorous in love and who aim only at its natural use.
- But if he is accompanied by Saturn alone, he produces men cautious, hesitant, and frigid.
- If Venus and Jupiter are in aspect with him, they will produce men easily roused and passionate, who are, however, continent, hold themselves in check, and avoid unseemliness.
- With Venus alone, or if Jupiter also is with her, but Saturn is not present, he produces lustful, careless men, who seek their pleasures from every quarter;
- if one of the planets is an evening and the other a morning star, men who have relations with both males and females, but no more than moderately inclined to either.
- But if both are evening stars, they will be inclined toward the females alone, and if the signs of the zodiac are feminine, they themselves will be pathics.
- If both are morning stars, they will be infected only with love of boys, and if the signs of the zodiac are masculine,with males of any age.
- If Venus is further to the west, they will have to do with women of low degree, slaves, or foreigners;
- if Mars is further west, with superiors, or married women, or ladies of high station."
 
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theV

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....I always thought that mars Neptune is strong indicator of sexual abuse or sexual predator or victim of abuse. It possibly indicate immoral sexual fantasies usually repressed...

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The majority of paedophiles do not get discouvered or revealed publicly. I wanted to study examples of their charts too.
Here is the chart of a paedophile that got away with it...

So, incorportating the info gathered from the above posts, i do see an afflicted Uranus, a dominance of Mars Neptune energy with the stelliums in Aries and Pisces, and an afflicted Mercury.

Can you tell from his chart whether he prefered boys or girls??

Sorry I am not a professional astrologer even a professional astrologer can't tell
 

I cee

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I looked and couldn't find any threads about this so i hope i'm not repeating...

But after all the news about Jimmy Savile, (famous BBC TV presenter that raised money for childrens charities while at the same time abusing them), i began looking for indications for paedophilia in astrology and found these quotes in a medical astro forum...

....perhaps paedophilia should be be ruled by the 5th because of the victims (children), and sex for joy or pleasure. Or more probably the 8th or the 12th house, as paedophilia is an expression of psychological trauma or deviance, or even by an afflicted 10th as a perverted expression of power.

.....it has nothing to do with either joy or pleasure (or necessarily even sex, for that matter), so the 5th's implications would be only for those of mutual consent. Paedophilia most certainly is not consensual."

....Most agree that the 8th house is birth, death, rebirth, sex and all things that can't be avoided, like our sexual urges and desires, taxes and insurance - while the 5th is the house of pleasure and romance.....

Does anyone have any additional info? I was surprised to find discussion concentrating on the 5th house? Much appreciated, thanks.

It's interesting to with the pluto/uranus square involving the 4th and 7th House in uks chart.
The uk has obviously been highlighted this year with the olympics, the royal aniversary and the wedding (and harry getting his kit off) but I'm wondering if its going much deeper now.
I don't know enough about Astrology but I intuit a link there, with these scandals?
Any thoughts?
Heres the UK's chart.

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Moog

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Clues?

I'd expect a highly damaged 4th house/lord.

Oh wait, I think I might have it.

I'm looking at a sidereal Aquarius/tropical Pisces rising chart for the minute.
 

serafin5

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Because pedophiles are obsessed with children they are often in 5th hse careers and/or hobbies; anything to be near kids. Thats why I think in some instances one might see 5th hse placements. Also a question Astrologers: Has anybody looked at and compared the charts at AstroDatabank? It would be interesting to see the astrological results of random charts.

Really great thread!
Serafin5
 

Claire19

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I looked and couldn't find any threads about this so i hope i'm not repeating...

But after all the news about Jimmy Savile, (famous BBC TV presenter that raised money for childrens charities while at the same time abusing them), i began looking for indications for paedophilia in astrology and found these quotes in a medical astro forum...

....perhaps paedophilia should be be ruled by the 5th because of the victims (children), and sex for joy or pleasure. Or more probably the 8th or the 12th house, as paedophilia is an expression of psychological trauma or deviance, or even by an afflicted 10th as a perverted expression of power.

.....it has nothing to do with either joy or pleasure (or necessarily even sex, for that matter), so the 5th's implications would be only for those of mutual consent. Paedophilia most certainly is not consensual."

....Most agree that the 8th house is birth, death, rebirth, sex and all things that can't be avoided, like our sexual urges and desires, taxes and insurance - while the 5th is the house of pleasure and romance.....

Does anyone have any additional info? I was surprised to find discussion concentrating on the 5th house? Much appreciated, thanks.
I would not include 5th house as that deals with our own children, those we guide and educate and usually biologically ours. Also pleasures and recreation. Fun activities.

Pluto Mercury Mars and perhaps Neptune would relate to paedophilia I think. However every chart would be different and perversion belongs with Uranus especially if there is anal sex. So Uranus with Mars and Mercury for young people.
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Sex belongs with the 8th in that it is the sexual orgasm but I rather think that the 12th house which deals with neuroses and addictions would have to be involved. Neptune with Mars and Pluto connected there perhaps. There are many scenarios. If it is that they dont derive pleasure and I dont understand paedophilia and it is supposedly a compulsion then the 12th and Neptune for sure.
 
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Kannon

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I looked and couldn't find any threads about this so i hope i'm not repeating...

But after all the news about Jimmy Savile, (famous BBC TV presenter that raised money for childrens charities while at the same time abusing them), i began looking for indications for paedophilia in astrology and found these quotes in a medical astro forum...

....perhaps paedophilia should be be ruled by the 5th because of the victims (children), and sex for joy or pleasure. Or more probably the 8th or the 12th house, as paedophilia is an expression of psychological trauma or deviance, or even by an afflicted 10th as a perverted expression of power.

.....it has nothing to do with either joy or pleasure (or necessarily even sex, for that matter), so the 5th's implications would be only for those of mutual consent. Paedophilia most certainly is not consensual."

....Most agree that the 8th house is birth, death, rebirth, sex and all things that can't be avoided, like our sexual urges and desires, taxes and insurance - while the 5th is the house of pleasure and romance.....

Does anyone have any additional info? I was surprised to find discussion concentrating on the 5th house? Much appreciated, thanks.

12th house all the way. Deviations of health show up as the 6th (physical) or 12th (psychological). Yes, it is relational in the karmic sense of 'issues' that have to be dealt with internally/spiritually rather than externalized upon others. 12th house means not only planets there, but aspects involving the ruler of the 12th or even to the 12th cusp.

However, deviance can show with Uranus and Pluto placements even relating to the 8th house. Pluto = rape, molestation, kidnapping, overpowering sexual drive whether marital or extra-marital, deviant or not. Uranus = deviance from 'norms' whether abusive or not. 'Norms' here does not imply any moral judgment whatsoever.
 
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