USA chart

Does anyone have a good USA chart?
Thx,
kz

From astrodienst.com

http://www.astro.com/im/in/chart_us_e.gif

Can someone please post a picture of it, I cant do it on my ipad

And footnote

Data used: 4 July 1776, 4.50 pm LMT, Philadelphia, PA; this is the so-called "Sibly chart", which was originally published in 1787. It is based, in part, on eyewitness accounts of the signing of the Declaration of Independence. There is another chart commonly used for the USA, which gives Gemini on the Ascendant, but there is no historical evidence to support this horoscope.)

if you want to read many alternate theories, see here (but take a hedex tablet first)

http://www.astrology.co.uk/news/USA.htm


My personal opinion is that sagittarius rising fits very very well for the American persona, freedom, space, exploration, positivity and optimism, openness and simplicity, warmth,concern with justice etc etc...I cant see Gemini at all

See mercury in cancer in 8th house opposed to pluto...great signature for fbi/cia/homeland security

If you google usa birth chart gemini rising there are quite a few sites where astrologers give their reasoning for using a gemini rising chart

Why? You don't like the one I produced?
What did you find wrong with it?


Here it is again...look it over carefully:
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53027

...do a timeline study with it. I have all the astrological parts calculated, listed and posted in a thread here in the mundane forum. Tell me that what I've pointed out to date via the timeline comparison in American history doesn't make sense.


Here's a progressed natal for todays date.
[Note two of my fav. astro-anomalies, Eris and Parsival...where they presently are in the prog. natal chart. Progressed Eris is conj. current transiting Pluto.... and Parsival progressed conj. Uranus progressed. The two of them, Eris and Parsival are my own little indicators of confirmations which I can't explain to you all. If you follow enough of my posts you might eventually get a clue as to what the two of them are all about. Eris, btw, has the highest mental content of anything in orbit in our Solar System ...beside the Space Station and all those artificial satellites mankind put in orbit.]



* Parsival. According to Trevor Ravenscroft was not only someone actually in history but it is also a 'Station" or 'Role' ...an esoteric 'Iconic Archetype' that has a need to be filled at times through the long history of Humankind on Earth. The name 'Parsival' literally means "Pierce the Vale" ...not veil, but "Vale". As one stands on a hill to get a clear look at the road, the path, one must travel before one reaches that mountain to which pinnacle they must climb. They need to see across the Valley between..that "VALE" that one will have to traverse and be knowledgeable of what pitfalls and entrapments are within that might prevent them from ever reaching that mountain. It is but half the journey to the 'Spiritual Destination" of that Pinnacle of the Mountain of Truth...but it is easily mistaken for the easy part of the journey. It's not.

Notice that the current progressed North Node is nearly conj. the natal Pluto [natal Pluto @ 27* 33' 56" rx] and that currently transiting Pluto went retro on April 13th @ 11* 35' and that the natal M.C. of the USA is 11* 44' 18".
I've written enough about the Part of Transformation of the USA natal chart that I produced. But for a refresher, it is @ 09* 29' 25" right where Uranus conjuncted about an hour before that bomb went off in Boston on April 15th.

I pointed out that in November and December of last year that Pluto was conj. the Part of Termination @ 07* 58' 12" and the Part of Repression @ 08* 42' 41" ...and I warned about seditious treasonous acts perpetrated upon the public by people within our own Gov't. during this time.

I can only imagine that if my name were something akin to "Robert Hand", or ''Robert Zoeller", this natal chart would've been accepted in a heartbeat and would even be lauded by this time.

Is it that I use Sabian Symbols that causes the repellency? If so, just lose the Sabian Symbols and embrace it... I got no problem with that!

Most people use just one chart with Gemini rising. However I like the chart of the beginning of the Continental Congress when is the real start of the beginning of the USA not the moment of the posting of the Declarations of independence.

This is called the Houck Chart. Its very very accurate.

The date for this is: 6/19/1776 at 11:53:50 AM in Philadelphia, PA

a must see simular debate:

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=947

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Thanks all.
I looked at the Sabians for the 7/4/1776 chart and they are exceptionally appropriate. I will, however, look at the other one as well.
Cheers.

Zarathu said:

Most people use just one chart with Gemini rising. However I like the chart of the beginning of the Continental Congress when is the real start of the beginning of the USA not the moment of the posting of the Declarations of independence.

This is called the Houck Chart. Its very very accurate.

The date for this is: 6/19/1776 at 11:53:50 AM in Philadelphia, PA

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Accurate at what?
Can you demonstrate anything over the past 237 years that gives credibility to this chart. Maybe something that occurred of major historical note where the Planets in transit made significant aspects to this "Houck Chart" ... I would be very interested in seeing a demonstration...

Or perhaps a 'Houck Chart" progressed to a significant date of American history where-in you can point out the significant progressed elements of this chart and how they were of significant influence to that particular subject [or event] of American history?

A demonstration would be absolutely smashing!

...Awaiting...
ptv

Clinton Soule said:

a must see simular debate:

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=947

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WHAT?... That's your answer...to drag everyone back through the ''Sticky"?

Did that really need to be posted?
sheeesh....

piercethevale said:

Accurate at what?
Can you demonstrate anything over the past 237 years that gives credibility to this chart. Maybe something that occurred of major historical note where the Planets in transit made significant aspects to this "Houck Chart" ... I would be very interested in seeing a demonstration...

Or perhaps a 'Houck Chart" progressed to a significant date of American history where-in you can point out the significant progressed elements of this chart and how they were of significant influence to that particular subject [or event] of American history?

A demonstration would be absolutely smashing!

...Awaiting...
ptv

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Richard Houck wrote a 55 page book on it, Here is some of it: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Nation:_USA_No.12

Marinka said:

I use the Sagittarius rising chart which I have found to be very accurate in my work. I was about 1 week off on the timing for the school shooting last year and 1 week off on the Boston Marathon incident.

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I'm of the belief that if PTV was so spot on as to Yeshua's chart that it can provide us with new & verifiable astrological information... what he came up with for USA should be taken seriously... and checked out on the basis of it's astrological claims..

Phoenix Venus said:

I'd like to point out that PTV pretty much predicted the boston marathon bombings to the EXACT DAY. I cannot remember exactly what he said regarding the nature of events for that day, but he DID say that April 15th 2013 was a day of importance for USA. ​

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I pulled up a line from the other thread -- was this what you were referring to when you mentioned the prediction for the bombings?

Uranus is about to conjunct the USA natal Part of Termination, then the Part of Repression [see my thread on the subj. for more...] and then hitting the Part of Transformation next April 15th.

Marinka said:

I pulled up a line from the other thread -- was this what you were referring to when you mentioned the prediction for the bombings?

Uranus is about to conjunct the USA natal Part of Termination, then the Part of Repression [see my thread on the subj. for more...] and then hitting the Part of Transformation next April 15th.

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He mentioned it multiple times in various threads, some in more detail than others.

I like this chart for the USA. It seems more fitting to have all a lot of squirrelly Gemini energy with Sun conjunct MC, dogmatic and pushy Leo Moon is more fitting than July 4th's aloof Aqua Moon, and exalted Cancer Jupiter joys in the 11th to show our love for excessive gains ("bigger is better" motto)!

The voting took place "about 11 am". Source= John Adams book by David Mccollough.
-When Neptune hit 0 libra, pearl harbour gets hit
-landing on the moon, uranus + jupiter
-watergate breakin pluto conjuncts ascendant(29 deg 20' virgo)

Here's the chart.

Jim

The Libra rising chart has the Sun in the 10th house where you want it in a mundane horoscope. The Sun is also accompanied by the benefics Jupiter and Venus. Retro. Mercury is there as well.

Then notice that there is a grand trine anchored in the first house. This is a powerful alignment that almost always points to success. In the Sibly chart the grand trine is no longer anchored in the first house and angles are wider as the Moon has moved. In addition the Sun and its helpers are in the 8th house. This is not auspicious at all.

Mercury rules the 9th house of philosophy. The Americans justified their actions on the writings of the Enlightenment philosophers like John Locke. However, a few years later the "Enlightenment" French revolution happened, and their solution to most everything was to chop off your head. So that philosophy had been forgotten for corporate fascism instead. More retrograde Mercury.

Nevertheless happy Thanksgiving. Conditions are still better here than in many places in the world.

Evangeline Adams as I understand utilized the Gemini rising horoscope to predict both the day the USA would enter WWII and the day the stock market would crash years after her death!

So does one whom stated out as a Moderne horary artist, now turned more Traditional in regards to horary, Anthony Louis.

http://tonylouis.wordpress.com/2012/02/25/why-i-use-a-usa-gemini-rising-chart/


http://tonylouis.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/tweaking-the-usa-gemini-rising-chart-to-21343-a-m/


http://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?p=50034&highlight=&sid=73d795a944f1a273e6f76d912ab4537a

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=947

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...and here is the chart with Gemini Rising:



Aquarian Maverick

P.S. Are you getting some of my Aries debate fever, Radu?

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http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=947&page=10

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=65445


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Re: Predicting WWIII
Perhaps some of the Forum membership has read some of Evangeline Adams books as listed:

http://www.google.com/#bav=on.2,or.r...&ved=0CIoBELMY

What Evangeline Adams Knew

http://www.amazon.com/books/dp/0972511709

Quote:
Once the world's most famous astrologer, Evangeline Adams single-handedly popularized astrology in the United States. Now, for the first time, Adams' biographer, astrologer Karen Christino, uncovers all of her astrological secrets. In an easy-to-understand format, you'll discover: - How Adams predicted World War II and the stock market crash of 1929 - How Evangeline foresaw death for Enrico Caruso and Rudolph Valentino - How she chose presidential winners - Evangeline's work with the magician Aleister Crowley, and for clients like Edgar Cayce, Joseph Campbell, Eugene O'Neill and Tallulah Bankhead - Evangeline on trial, with actual court transcripts - How Evangeline chose travel and wedding dates, and analyzed marriage potential in the horoscope
Bold added by yours truly!

Evidently many differ with your opinion Bob Zemco, and yes we all know any fool can write books or put something on the internet, but if the source is published before the event there you have it!

http://solsticepoint.com/astrologersmemorial/adams.html

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Herb Kugel says in his article, "The Stars on Trial: The Story of Evangeline Adams," in The Mountain Astrologer, Feb/Mar, 2000, p. 53:
"Evangeline Adams was one of the most important influences on the development of American astrology as we currently know it. She became famous because of a tragic hotel fire in which many people perished. Her career climaxed with a precedent-setting court case in which she demanded that astrology itself be placed on trial.

"Adams came from the same illustrious family as two American presidents, John Adams and John Quincy Adams; however, she dismayed her conservative New England relations by, "dabbling in heathenism," that is, by wanting to become an astrologer. She became a very successful astrologer and gave advice and comfort to about 100,000 people during her 40-year career.
"Her clients ranged from the poor and unknown to the powerful and famous. She taught astrology to financier John Pierpont Morgan, who once stated, 'Millionaires don't use astrology, billionaires do." Tenor Enrico Caruso never crossed the ocean during World War I without first consulting Adams to obtain the safest dates for sailing."
NOTE: To read this fascinating five-page article, with details about Adam's colorful life and her landmark trial, contact The Mountain Astrologer for this and other back issues.

To read a long summary of the Adams case with some verbatim documents, visit Carlo Ravin's tribute to Walter Coleman a pioneer in astrology and the law.

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About What Evangeline Adams Knew

Once the world's most famous astrologer, Evangeline Adams single-handedly popularized astrology in the United States. Now, for the first time, Adams' biographer, astrologer Karen Christino, uncovers all of her astrological secrets. In an easy-to-understand format, you'll discover:

. How Adams predicted World War II and the stock market crash of 1929
Karen Christino on www.skyscript.co.uk says otherwise about the Hotel Fire and other predictions than your findings Bob Zemco:

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/adams.html

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...... She claimed to have successfully predicted the Windsor Hotel fire in New York City in 1899, and moved there in 1905.
........In a January 2nd 1927 lecture she utilised the cycle of Uranus in the US chart and said "the signs point to a war .... for religious, racial and political reasons, in 1942, 1943 and 1944". Uranus aspecting Jupiter in the US chart, she said, also warned of impending financial difficulties: "In 1928 and 1929... it behooves everyone to be extremely cautious in investment and money matters, and be prepared for this threatening configuration of planets". The stock market crash occurred in October of 1929. ........
Well Bob Zemco this source says the fire was predicted and the part about entering WWII in:

http://www.answers.com/topic/evangeline-smith-adams

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She became nationally known when she read a chart for the owner of New York's Windsor Hotel on Fifth Avenue predicting a serious disaster that would take place almost immediately. The hotel owner was unaware of any impending problems and took no action, but the next day his hotel was destroyed by fire. The resulting media publicity brought Evangeline Adams immediate fame nationwide. In 1914 she was prosecuted for "fortune-telling" but contested the case in court. She demonstrated her methods of work and made an accurate prediction concerning the judge's son. Judge John H. Freschi acquitted her, stating: "The defendant has raised astrology to the dignity of an exact science."
Adams published various books and pamphlets on astrology, and many famous individuals (including J. Pierpont Morgan, Mary Pickford, singer Enrico Caruso, and King Edward VII of Britain) visited her headquarters at Carnegie Hall. From1930 onward she broadcast three times weekly, and received thousands of letters requesting astrological readings. As early as 1931, she predicted that the United States would be at war in 1942. In 1932 she was booked for a 21-night lecture tour but canceled it after predicting her own death, which duly occurred. She is generally recognized as the leading astrologer of her time who laid the groundwork for professional astrology in the United States. She died in New York November 10, 1933.

Also note in the Gemini rising horoscope the lord of the 7th is combust and according to Lilly that is a very bad thing, about the worst that can happen to a lord or planet.

1) With Jupiter(7H lord)) combust both foreign relations are awry as well as covenants or marriages with the USA. The U.S. currently has a 50-75% divorce rate which is fitting for the trends in the U.S.

2) Every treaty the USA has signed with the native nations on this continent they have broken. Very fitting with their combustion contract house.

3) Note the Moon in Aquarius, independent women, and in the 10th the emphasis is on career, status, reputation, etc. In other words women citizens in the USA are more concerned with their career or status than their overall relalationships to husband or their offspring. Like the former East Germany's Moon in the 10th house, career oreinted women whom were powerful, and the women of the USA are perhaps the most powerful women on the planet despite the dyusfunctional family environments that they have helped create.

Hilary Clinton is to me the tradgic symbol of Moon in Aquarius in the 10th, a woman who is more obsessed with her status and power and true family values are on the back burner or rather the domestic goddess is serving T.V. dinners or bringing home fast food and the contrary role of moon in cancer and the 4H, the ideals far from present in her symbolic role of the ill fated American woman!

Note also the over-emphasis upon wealth, money, finances in the USA with the Sun cjt Jupiter in the 2nd!
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Here's a reality check. The voting took place at "about 11 am" not 2 am.

Jim

Did they shread the evidence?

Or did the British in 1812 burning Washington destroy all the records?

Why or how could the Freemasons keep us all so baffled about the true horoscope?

The controversy has been going on for years..........