starlink
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Has anyone really taken the time to read all this!!!
Yes dear, I did!! I liked it all very much, (well done Bob) it will help beginners greatly I believe.
Starlink
Has anyone really taken the time to read all this!!!
Again that progressed Venus has to hit natal planets to have any effect and particularly if those planets are in aspect natally. He was making a general statement and not a really proficient astrologer I would suggest. He woul have to have made a progressed chart for when you were to turn 50 and look at those influences, did he do that???Several many years ago, around the time i was 25, - an astrologer gave me a teaser on my progressed venus, which had moved from pisces into aries around the time i was 10 years old. He told me, "around the time you turn 50, your progressed venus will move into taurus and you will likely find yourself more comfortable and complacent in middle age," (or something to that effect...).
well, i'm 50 now, and in recent review of my progressed venus - at 29' of aries - i note that my prog. venus stations at 29 aries when i turn 53 then retro's for the rest of my life....Should I live to 90, I will have lived 80 years with progressed venus in aries. as if 40 years hasn't been enough?
Okay good for you.Quote Claire 19.
"Has anyone really taken the time to read all this!!!"
I have Claire,a very good explaination.Thumbs up.deserves star rating.
I have read Allende's,Portrait in Sepia,Daughter of Fortune and Paula.Thank you for the recommendations Claire 19.
J.
Remember progressions have to have a natal echo to be valid.Bob ... that's a really excellent discussion and post on progressions.
There's one bit I get stuck on understanding ... your second table where you discuss your progression aspects from age 19 - 29. Are these aspects what the progressions are doing against your natal chart (i.e. your natal chart has 9th house cusp at 25Can14) or is it he aspects that are set up within the progressed chart (i.e. your progressed chart has 9th house cusp at 25Can14)?
What's the best way of finding out all these aspects? Is there a good online program? Did you manually look at every planet for every day against every other planet?
I definitely want to do this because my chart is becoming ever more Libran. My sun progressed there five years back, in 2017 even my Pluto progresses into it; to give me Sun/mercury/venus/uranus/pluto in there; at the same time that my Ascendent moves into Cancer (squaring progressing pluto - hmmm) and my progressed midheaven will oppose my natal Leo planets.
You can use both and their accuracy is dependent on the accuracy of official time of birthWhen I go to the Astrodienst website, there is an option for progressed chart and for natal and progressed chart. Which one should I be looking at. They are both different. One of them obviously shows aspects to the natal chart, the other shows aspects to the progressed planets. Which one is more accurate or the one I should use?
A lot of people seem to have problems understanding progressions.
The progressed Planets are nothing more than very very slow moving transits. Progressions are very internal in nature, meaning they're more likely to affect you mentally than physically. That doesn't mean progressions don't affect you physically, they can, for example a Planet progressing into the 6th House or the 6th House Ruler progressing into the 8th or 12th House or into certain aspects with the rulers of the 6th, 8th or 12th Houses can signify an illness.
Progressions are something you do maybe once in your life, and one of the best ways to do that is to write them down. You can use a spread sheet (like I use) or a word processor or write them on a legal pad, or you can use construction paper and crayons, it doesn't really matter. Other than that, all you need is a list of your Planets and the Ascendant and MC, and an ephemeris, which you should buy, but you can also find them online.
An ephemeris will look something like this:
Date............Sun....... Moon..... Mercury...Venus
May 26 1962 04°Ge28' 26°Aq47' 20°Ge23' 03°Cn43'
May 27 1962 05°Ge25' 10°Pi51' 20°Ge22' R 04°Cn55'
May 28 1962 06°Ge23' 25°Pi05' 20°Ge16' 06°Cn07'
May 29 1962 07°Ge21' 09°Ar25' 20°Ge05' 07°Cn19'
The symbolism is "day-for-a-year" so each day after your birthday is one year of your life.
Generally, you want to look at 120 days, which is 120 years of your life. Yes, I know you're not going to live 120 years, but none of you are special. When you die, the Solar System does not grind to a halt; it continues moving. Your chart lives on, even after you die.
There are somethings you might want to know about. Is your Will contested? Does your Estate end up in Probate Court? Does the government seize your Estate? Do your children fight over it? Does your spouse remarry? Maybe you want to comeback and haunt your spouse (or protect your spouse). Do your children marry, divorce, have more children, do your grandchildren marry etc.
Will you receive any awards or accolades, or publish a book? No kidding, a guy in Australia found his grandfather's diary of life in the trenches during World War I. He published it. Guess what? It showed up in the progressions of the grandfather's natal chart.
Here's a snippet from my progressions (sorry the formatting is less than desirable):
Natal .. Position.. Action.. Age.. Date .. ..........Location .. Contact
Venus.. 04°Cn39' Sign .....19 ....Jun 13 1962... 25°Cn14'.. 9th House
Saturn .11°Aq22' Square ..19 ... Jun 13 1962 ...11°Ta17'.. Mars
Neptune 11°Sc29' Opp .....19.... Jun 13 1962 ... 11°Ta17' Mars
Mars 28°Ar29' ...Square ...22 ....Jun 16 1962 .... 28°Cn47' Venus
Uranus 28°Le37' Qu .........22 ....Jun 16 1962..... 28°Cn47' Venus
Venus 04°Cn39' Sign .......23 .....Jun 17 1962..... 29°Cn58' Leo
Mercury 20°Ge22' D ........26...... Jun 20 1962 .....11°Ge52' D Mercury
Mars 28°Ar29' Sextile ......26 ......Jun 20 1962 .....28°Ge23' Sun
Uranus 28°Le37' Sextile ....26 ..... Jun 20 1962 .... 28°Ge23' Sun
Venus 04°Cn39' SSx........ 27 ......Jun 21 1962...... 04°Le41' Venus
Sun 05°Ge13' Con........... 28 ...... Jun 22 1962 .... 05°Le52' Venus
Sun 05°Ge13' Sign ..........28 ....... Jun 22 1962..... 00°Cn18' Sign
Jupiter 10°Pi38' SSx ........28....... Jun 22 1962...... 10°Aq38' Saturn
Moon 07°Pi41' Qu ..........29....... Jun 23 1962 ...... 07°Le03' Venus
Pluto 07°Vi32' Con ........29 ...... Jun 23 1962....... 07°Le03' Venus
MC 01°Vi31' Sextile...... 29 ........Jun 23 1962....... 01°Cn15' Sun
All I've done is write out the year in which there is some contact with progressed Planets.
At age 19, my natal Venus progressed to conjunct the 9th House Cusp at 25° Cancer.
How do you interpret that?
The 9th House Cusp is Cancer ruled by my Moon in my natal 4th House. What is the 9th House? Among things, it's long journeys. 4th House is the home.
I left the United States and didn't return for about 10 years.
See? It ain't so hard.
At age 23 my Venus progressed into the Sign of Leo. I got married. Because Venus progressed into Leo? Not entirely. My natal Mercury was Stationary in the natal 7th House, then it went Retrograde and then it went direct at age 26. In reality, I was actually 25 1/2 years old when Mercury went Direct in my 7th House of Relationships.
That is one of the advantages of writing out your progressions. When you see something like that, natal Venus progressed into the 9th House then into the Sign of Leo while Mercury goes Direct, you want to actually do a chart for that time period and then also look at the transits so you can get a sense of the timing (in this case transiting Moon conjunct Ascendant).
When I was 28, natal Sun changed Signs and entered Cancer. Did I become a Cancer? No, but I did take on some of the traits of Cancer. I became more sensitive, very emotional and extremely traditional, plus I took on a few of the negative characteristics, like brooding and being way too cautious, but then I was suffering from PTSD and the effects were starting to manifest themselves in a serious way.
When my Ascendant progressed into Sagittarius, I did not become a Sagittarius, but I did take on a few traits, like being really straightforward, to the point of being very blunt, and also broadminded and quite the procrastinator.
Natal .... Position .. Action ....Age... Date ............ Location .. Contact
Asc...... 20°Sc43' ..Sextile ....90 .... Aug 23 1962 ...20°Vi41' ... Mercury
Sun..... 05°Ge13' .. Sign .......91 .... Aug 24 1962... 00°Vi33' ....Virgo
MC ......01°Vi31' ....Sextile.... 91 .... Aug 24 1962 .. 01°Cn06'... Mars
Sun.... 05°Ge13'.... House .... 92..... Aug 25 1962 .. 01°Vi31' ...10th House
MC ......01°Vi31'..... Con .......92 .... Aug 25 1962... 01°Vi31' ... Sun
There's where I exit stage left. Not because of those particular progressions, mind you, but because of that and other things going on with transits and the Anareta wants to Tango.
The other benefit to writing out your progressions is that if you don't know the houses, signs, elements and natures (and that would be about 80% of you), then you will when you're done. The elements trine, the natures oppose and square, sextiles are always Fire/Air or Earth/Water etc.
I recommend using some of the minor aspects, like the quincunx, semi-sextile and semi-square.
Often in your life you might notice periods where your relationship with your children, spouse, parents, friends, co-workers or supervisors is a little testy and irritating. I guarantee you'll always find a semi-sextile or semi-square there. And the advantage of knowing that in advance is that you can take a "time-out," give yourself a "yellow card," take a different approach or do other things to make your life and everyone else's more pleasant.
Aspect orbs for progressions are 30' to 1° maximum. In addition to aspects, Planets changing Signs, Houses or going Direct or Retrograde are very important to note. For Planets that go Direct or Retrograde, flip ahead in the ephemeris and look to see if any transiting Planets are conjunct that point, because it will be emphasized. The same is true if a progressed Planet goes Direct or Retrograde at the pre-natal eclipses or the last Moon before birth (which will either be a Full Moon or a New Moon).
What if a progressed Planet goes Direct or Retrograde at the same point where there is a transiting Eclipse or New/Full Moon for that month? I don't know, but note it and look at it in detail later. You can ignore Lunar Eclipses after 3 months, but for Solar Eclipses it'll depend on the nature of the Sign (ie 3 months for Cardinal, 6 months for Mutable and 12 months for Fixed).
After you make your list or table, look at past events and see if you can make sense of them. As I said, not everything will manifest itself in a way that you can physically see. Once you get a feel for past events, you can start looking at future events.
an example of progression analysisYes I understand this. But if I just look at progressed chart,
for example there may be many planets in 10th house
because it looks at positions of progressed planets to each other
and the ascendant moves also. So it might say venus mars, pluto and Saturn are all in 10th house.
If I look at progressed planets to natal, the above mentioned planets would all be in 12th house.
See the difference in how that would be analysed?
10th house meanings http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h10.html
.....All I've done is write out the year in which there is some contact with progressed Planets.
At age 19, my natal Venus progressed to conjunct the 9th House Cusp at 25° Cancer.
How do you interpret that?
The 9th House Cusp is Cancer ruled by my Moon in my natal 4th House. What is the 9th House? Among things, it's long journeys. 4th House is the home.
I left the United States and didn't return for about 10 years.
See? It ain't so hard.
At age 23 my Venus progressed into the Sign of Leo. I got married. Because Venus progressed into Leo? Not entirely. My natal Mercury was Stationary in the natal 7th House, then it went Retrograde and then it went direct at age 26. In reality, I was actually 25 1/2 years old when Mercury went Direct in my 7th House of Relationships.
That is one of the advantages of writing out your progressions. When you see something like that, natal Venus progressed into the 9th House then into the Sign of Leo while Mercury goes Direct, you want to actually do a chart for that time period and then also look at the transits so you can get a sense of the timing (in this case transiting Moon conjunct Ascendant).....
....After you make your list or table, look at past events and see if you can make sense of them.
As I said, not everything will manifest itself in a way that you can physically see.
Once you get a feel for past events, you can start looking at future events.
What was happening with Venus ruler of Taurus?When my Ascendant progressed into Taurus, I became much more aggressive.
I don't like it and I'm still learning to deal with it, but now I can see another element of what happened.
I did much better when it was progressed in Pisces and Aries.
My progressed NN sits right on it... :??:
Thanks for this thread.
Bob Zemco has not posted on our forum for the past two yearsBob
I bagan to teach english when Mercury entered MC and Júpiter by secondary progression.
Mercury had been R since age 18 and rules my ASC
Hi All~
Personally, I've felt the biggest changes with my progressed moon- From cap to Aquarius was awesome! I'm a natal gemini moon, so it jibed well with my natural personality. Aquarius to Pisces was a shock..emotional at the drop of a hat. Did a lot of drawing and internal work, however. Now it's at 0 Degrees of Aries- another Shock! wow- the difference! My sun is also at 29 Libra about to progress into Scorpio; so, two major influences at critical degrees. I'm a natal virgo sun /gemini moon and the is a much heavier and more hard hitting combination. I feel a little fearless but also as though I'm on the edge of the old and about to jump head first into brand new territory. Does anyone have experience with both progressed sun and Moon at critical degrees?