Neptune Rising
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Hi,
I was reading about 'Chiron and the will to live' just to explore my own natal Sun square Chiron in the 4th to get an understanding of the wound to self-esteem. Then came up in the news was a comment from the pilot Andreas Lubitz's old girlfriend that Andreas made saying he wanted to do something to make everyone remember him.
His words, "I will do something that will change the whole system" is so reflective of Sun/Mercury/Saturn/Uranus in Sagitarius. Saturn/Uranus together breaking barriers/boundaries or challenging authority, both personalised by Sun/Mercury. But opposite to a natal Chiron... maybe he felt wounded by the 'system', although a Chiron wound can be ancestral, going to childhood and before, into family history.
In looking later at his chart, Andreas Lubitz has a Sun/Saturn/Mercury/Uranus stellium at 23-26 degree Sagittarius, and right opposite is the Chiron. Triggering that wound of his need to be noticed and maybe feeling inadequate with low, or, exhalted-compensatory (unbalanced) self-esteem was the lunar eclipse on Scheat at 29 degrees Pisces. The eclipse was also on his natal north node square the Chiron/Sun- north node I have read is linked to the collective.
This article says a little about his history.
The rest of the chart speaks volumes about the actions that he took (Mars in Scorpio conjunct Pluto), and maybe Moon in Scorpio which is uncertain with no birth time.
The Chiron article mentions about scapegoating others when we do not or are unable to face our own internal wounding. It also mentions about how, if the wounding is not faced, the wounded becomes the wounder, projecting all their internal rage/frustration/despair outwards. I feel it is harder to honestly face this kind of pain when younger, but as one ages, wisdom can help in the patience needed to accept the wound (whether its delusionment at life and hopes, rage at unfulfilled needs of childhood, lack of self worth).
I was reading about 'Chiron and the will to live' just to explore my own natal Sun square Chiron in the 4th to get an understanding of the wound to self-esteem. Then came up in the news was a comment from the pilot Andreas Lubitz's old girlfriend that Andreas made saying he wanted to do something to make everyone remember him.
from this article. This stuck a chord with my own Sun square Chiron, which when it is untransformed and unconscious, manifests as a need to be noticed and usually going about it in unproductive or damaging ways. Brought to consciousness, the light of the Sun with Chiron brings deeper understanding of the patterns of life.“One day I will do something that will change the whole system, and then all will know my name and remember it.”
His words, "I will do something that will change the whole system" is so reflective of Sun/Mercury/Saturn/Uranus in Sagitarius. Saturn/Uranus together breaking barriers/boundaries or challenging authority, both personalised by Sun/Mercury. But opposite to a natal Chiron... maybe he felt wounded by the 'system', although a Chiron wound can be ancestral, going to childhood and before, into family history.
In looking later at his chart, Andreas Lubitz has a Sun/Saturn/Mercury/Uranus stellium at 23-26 degree Sagittarius, and right opposite is the Chiron. Triggering that wound of his need to be noticed and maybe feeling inadequate with low, or, exhalted-compensatory (unbalanced) self-esteem was the lunar eclipse on Scheat at 29 degrees Pisces. The eclipse was also on his natal north node square the Chiron/Sun- north node I have read is linked to the collective.
This article says a little about his history.
The rest of the chart speaks volumes about the actions that he took (Mars in Scorpio conjunct Pluto), and maybe Moon in Scorpio which is uncertain with no birth time.
The Chiron article mentions about scapegoating others when we do not or are unable to face our own internal wounding. It also mentions about how, if the wounding is not faced, the wounded becomes the wounder, projecting all their internal rage/frustration/despair outwards. I feel it is harder to honestly face this kind of pain when younger, but as one ages, wisdom can help in the patience needed to accept the wound (whether its delusionment at life and hopes, rage at unfulfilled needs of childhood, lack of self worth).
Just a few ideas about Chiron and how it can manifest.If Chiron works against and overwhelms the Sun, the result can be depression, loss of confidence, and a sense of permanent damage or wounding... One expects failure, and because one expects it, one may very likely find it. A sense of being victimised or scapegoated can be very intense; or one may project one's woundedness on others and victimise or scapegoat them. If we fail to acknowledge this inner sense of bitterness and wounding, we may become arrogant and bask in our greater spiritual achievement, looking down on those whom we deem to be less evolved than ourselves. We may also become intolerant, and even cruel, toward those who inadvertently remind us that we are hurting. And so the wound festers in the darkness.
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