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maemae's comments on this person :
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this person had been a drug addict, alcoholic & dealer most of his life. as a school kid, he was dx'd with ADHD and spent K-8 in the same special needs class with the same teacher in L.A. Unified School District. His father committed suicide when he was 13 years old.
he has spent 3 separate terms in prison, a total of 16 years combined.
for past 5 years, he has been well employed, is buying his home and has found the institution of "hard work" with a very large construction firm, to be quite satisfactory. he has a 401k, savings and promotion opportunities.
he has not been involved in criminal activity since his last release from prison, other than he still "chips" at his drug of choice.
he will tell you that his criminal convictions came because he was protecting others and took the rap himself.
~ anyway ~ it would be interesting to see practical application of this discussion... "
i am reading the chart using whole-sign houses..
saturn in pisces in the 2nd rules the 12th house and ascendant..
saturn is in opposition to uranus/
mars/pluto and the opposition squares onto
moon in sag in the 11th - all relatively close by degree.. mars in opposition to saturn is always a challenging opposition, but one capable of much too if a person can get there **** together.. the analogy i was told a long time ago is someone driving with one foot on the gas and the other on the brake.. the mars opp saturn can produce a high degree of frustration, difficulties with authority figures, usually but not always with men and father type figures.. in the signs pisces/virgo this energy is more likely to come out in the work place, via some subconscious manner/mood that sets a person back until they recognize what they are doing emotionally while learning how to change thru greater consciousness. meditation strikes me as saturn in pisces.. this chart we have saturn in the 12th sign and ruling the 12th house, so a cross over of sorts..
maemae quote "
as a school kid, he was dx'd with ADHD and spent K-8 in the same special needs class with the same teacher in L.A. Unified School District." mars rules the 3rd house with mercury and mars in mutual reception in this chart which on the one hand would suggest a strengthening of the energies implied by the planets, but offset strongly by the saturn in opposition to mars here as i understand it. moon and mercury in fire signs trine one another suggests a more hyperactive mind well suited to physical action which sitting in school doesn't foster so much.. the moon in hard aspect to mars would emphasize/force this need out into the open even more.."special needs".. i'd go with the moon position in the hard aspect pattern again to fill this description astrologically.
on a wider level people born in the mid 60's were born into a cultural atmosphere when major historical changes where taking place, especially in the states.. the larger planetary cycles at work are uranus/pluto conjunction in virgo opposite saturn in pisces. vietman, martin luther king, nixon, black panther, riots, segregation, and much more. this was a volatile time culturally which i see reflected in these large outer planet cycles in focus. this person has the personal planets mars square moon caught up in this generational configuration..
i see pluto/saturn opp as having a lot to do with hardship especially when it connects to the inner planets in hard aspect, as it does in this chart.. saturn ruling the 12th house/ascendant would add to the heavy weight of these aspect relationships to the moon, mars, uranus and pluto.. that he spent 16 years in prison- i don't know the date of his first incarceration, but it would be interesting astrologically to know, seems to be confirmed by these patterns which i believe would have been more active by transit and directions at the time of his incarceration.
the timing for his fathers suicide at approx 13 years of age (suicide is a pluto/saturn in hard aspect theme) coincides with solar arc mars/pluto opposite natal venus ruler of his 4th house cusp.. solar arc midheaven squares natal mars in the 8th directly.. mars is ruler of the midheaven in this chart.
neptune in scorpio squaring onto the ascendant and most elevated planet in the chart would astrologically characterize maemae's description "this person had been a drug addict, alcoholic & dealer most of his life." usually i think of neptune/mars hard aspects for drinking, but mars/saturn hard aspects can do this too.. the emotional frustration implied by the t square with this opposition on the bottom would seek any type of medication to try to alleviate the pain and angst i would associate with these planets in hard aspect.. moon rules the 6th in this chart and i wonder how well he has faired as a result of the hard living from the first part of his life up until this turn around 5 years ago..
approx 5 years ago saturn would be making the move into the upper part of the chart by transit which is often a time of greater involvement in society with the assumption of greater responsibility that goes with the involvement. this would also be uranus opposite uranus transit that some associate with mid-life crisis.. for this person, uranus re-emphasizes the t square which it is a part of, but takes a different tack turning his life upside down in a good way by the sounds of it. it is especially interesting if you think of uranus as having some special relationship to aquarius, the ascendant.. either way, saturn moving up in the chart into the 7th would also suggest a greater level of maturity in this persons approach as represented by the rising sign aquarius. solar arc sun squares onto the ascendant degree for 2007 - 5 years ago, and seems to support this persons emergence out of a difficult first part of life hopefully into a much sunnier and brighter later part..
for me a chart read is about the whole chart and while some of the 12th house themes are clearly captured in this persons chart, i think a good chunk of them can be left at the door of the aspect pattern mentioned at the beginning with saturn in pisces included in that pattern. just how one separates 12th house issues from 12th sign issues is something i have constantly struggled with.. although houses aren't the same as signs, i see lots in common.. although planets aren't signs or houses, a saturn in difficult aspect as in this chart makes me think some of 12th house/sign type issues too.. what happens to a life when one doesn't adopt a responsible attitude towards what it is they are involved in? it is downhill towards the 12th, or not being able to get from out underneath which is my way of seeing parallels in all the symbolism touched on here..