Banks bail out - reason and result for society?

I'm going to quote you and add my comments (hope you don't mind this way, kinda like dissecting lolz..I;m still learning

Neptune Rising said:

Hi
Question: What is the real reason for the bank bailouts, what will be the outcome for society

Sorry I'm learning about these types of chart - mundane I think? (NO!!

2nd house would be banks - ruled by Jupiter.
Pluto and Lilith in the 2nd house--> Should Pluto and other outer planets not be used in horary??? But again, I just wanna forget those rules Pluto in 2nd house makes sense cuz obviously our credits/budget is going through a lot of change.

Jupiter is in the 3rd--> We are making more contacts and cooperation with countries all over the world. With the new president/gov and obvious global crisis, the world is much more cooperative.--> expansion in communication/writing/travel?


Jupiter is in Saturn's domain, Saturn rules 3rd and 4th houses. And 4th house/Saturn rules the property market.

I see. Saturn is peregrine, backwards, in the 10th. 10th rules government, the 'power'. So, the banks, property and government are all in relation to each other.

Ascendant is the people, the nation. Ruled by Mars, is the nation angry? (-->and active, ready to fight the recession?)

Also in Saturn/property's domain. The property/Saturn is in the hands/house of the government. And so are the people of the nation. Incidentally Mars is right at the Nadir, and coming out of the grips of Neptune.

That Neptune there at the nadir and conjunct Mars could represent some delusion or deception that the nation has gone through--> I just learnt that we actually don't use conjunct as planets don't really stay* here. Rather, we say that Mars is going away from Neptune, which makes total sense since the way housing market was handled, credits and any failure in economic and gov handlings were finally exposed! The boom market (when Pluto is in Sag) is over (disillusioned now) (changes to Cap).

Sabian symbol for ascendant, "a drowning man being rescued". Mars was drowning in Neptune..?

I found it interesting to see the POF conjunct Algol in the 7th house. It doesn't look too good - beheading, murder, violence, catastrophe, the "Evil One", the Demon Star; passionate; intense; hysterical. That is from http://www.astrologycom.com/fixedstars.html.

--> Ouch...This can be no further from the truth. But remember who got Algol in her chart and overcame it (channeled it into her great energy to accomplish admirable missions?-> Mother TERESA)

I think Algol here means yes, we are facing tremendous "hardship", which requires us to act with equally "intense" response. Constant reassurance, plans, meetings, dealings, debates to save the economy and at the same time dealing with the boiling world politics (....Middle East and North Korea)

Banks are Jupiter, known enemies of nation are Venus. POF is in the 7th/enemies house.

--> can 7th house mean partners as well? Obviously other countries in the world mean partners and "enemies" at the same time. They can't just lend us without asking for smt back. (THe US bailout money comes a lot from overseas)

NR

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lalalaheidi87 said:

Neptune in Aquarius 1998- present
related to 11th house (groups, friends, communications, who you belong to) and Uranus (technology, suprises)
as neptune entered aquarius, internet and email arrived, cell phones arrived, email evolved into instant messange, instant messenge evolved to myspace, cellphones evolved to iphone... can you see the common theread in our society since 1998..... we became connected to our friends (11th) by technology (uranus)
on the opposite side of the coin, as far a groups and who you belong to (as well as technology)... 9/11 weapons of mass destruction (adv. technology) and loyalties/ groups... our loyalties of the past and how we handled israel/ who we helped who we didnt etc... come back to haunt us.... and now were are in a fight to remove technology (uranus) from those who are not our friends (11th)....
Neptune in Aquarius = LESSONS OF THE 11TH HOUSE
Neptune in Pisces
SELFLESSNESS.... we will willingly step into socialism... first step to communism...
Neptune in Pisces = LESSONS OF THE 12TH HOUSE


Also notable since opposing signs are related (same goal different ways of approaching) you can see where we are going (pisces) by the last time neptune was in virgo (1930’s)....
Now we are nearing the end of aquarius which is opposite leo (1920s) which was time of generall wellbeing/social/upbeat and thriving... at least up until the point where it collapsed ... neptune is now nearing that point opposite the collapse of 1929.

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Awesome lolz. " SELFLESSNESS.... we will willingly step into socialism... first step to communism..."

How I love astrology If only people in economics/gov/financial sector/polsci embrace astrology more, they would be amazed lolz.

YES questions about CAPITALISM are popping up. With gov bailing out a lot of companies and control the market (we need to have better regulation), we are challenging "free markets", which is the buzzing word that comes with the United States of America and capitalism for a long time lolz.

So are we communists now?

Don't panic yet lolz.

Socialism is the first step. And with gov owning our money isn't that bad (don't look at North Korea yet). Karl Marx's theory is that normally we start with gov owning our money and then we have control of it (socialism-> capitalism) Countries who fail (Soviet, Cuba, North Korea) didn't go through capitalism. They took the short cut (even the shortcut has some faults) and obviously it didn't work.

I guess we are at the end of a cycle. Business cycle is a norm. It's just that we are being hit *very* (to put it lightly) hard this time but not like 1930s...


I'll leave out other parts of Neptune since it will be too far from our main topic. no time to digress lolz. go to work and save the economy lolz (or yourself first =p)

lalalaheidi87 said:

I am still convinced neptune into pisces will be our society falling apart....
neptune means so much i am convinced... this is the very beginnings...

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Restructure. Society can't fall apart.


Psych does drive a lot Don't convince yourself so If you think your relationship with A won't work, it might as well become a self fulling prophecy~

lilmermaid said:

@Neptune Rising: INteresting I was confused O_O since the rule of horary is relaxed in some source and strict in others :-?? But I guess may be if we are totally earnest about it, the Gods (...) might as well reveal something (at that time).

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Lol, I've learned horary with all its rules from the start, I'm too confused now by yours statement??

The question was about why the banks are doing the bailouts (?), and what is the reason for society (??)? I simply cast this chart with the intention (pure intention) of finding out the answer - I used horary to find out what it would say as it often reveals things that are easily overlooked.... Does this confuse you in some way, or do my methods confuse you? If so, please PM me and I'd be happy to explain, otherwise can we please keep to the question posed in the chart?

Thanks

lolz why are you confused while i'm clear now. I thought your question was 1. too big, 2. actually 2 questions in 1. I read in the horary technique section it is a NO-NO in horary but in another website, it says it's okay to look into a general question.

Conclusion: Forget the rules, I'll just look at the chart and I did stick with the question! Did you see my comments?? :-?? Your chart seems to bode well with current situation =] Fascinating =]

No worries, seems easy enough, I'll answer in the same way in blue...

Should Pluto and other outer planets not be used in horary??? But again, I just wanna forget those rules Pluto in 2nd house makes sense cuz obviously our credits/budget is going through a lot of change.

Ha yes Pluto is not used in traditional horary, but I thought I'd include it to add another flavour to the chart. People in this forum use it sometimes so I added him.


Jupiter is in the 3rd--> We are making more contacts and cooperation with countries all over the world. With the new president/gov and obvious global crisis, the world is much more cooperative.--> expansion in communication/writing/travel?


Jupiter is in Saturn's domain, Saturn rules 3rd and 4th houses. And 4th house/Saturn rules the property market.

I see. Saturn is peregrine, backwards, in the 10th. 10th rules government, the 'power'. So, the banks, property and government are all in relation to each other.

Ascendant is the people, the nation. Ruled by Mars, is the nation angry? (-->and active, ready to fight the recession?)
maybe, or ready to fight. there have been a few protests here in London lately, violence included, perhaps this feeling is building up generally in society. Not sure how we can fight a recession? This is a term used in the papers, by our leaders, just like the term 'credit crunch'. How can we fight an inanimate object? We will be paying for this with our taxes, stealth taxes and whatever other means they think up in the future. If society is angry, where will they direct their anger, it has to go somewhere or be used for something.

Also in Saturn/property's domain. The property/Saturn is in the hands/house of the government. And so are the people of the nation. Incidentally Mars is right at the Nadir, and coming out of the grips of Neptune.

That Neptune there at the nadir and conjunct Mars could represent some delusion or deception that the nation has gone through--> I just learnt that we actually don't use conjunct as planets don't really stay* here. Rather, we say that Mars is going away from Neptune, which makes total sense since the way housing market was handled, credits and any failure in economic and gov handlings were finally exposed! The boom market (when Pluto is in Sag) is over (disillusioned now) (changes to Cap).
This is what I said, Mars is conjunct Neptune but moving away as Mars is the faster moving planet. "Coming out of Neptune's grips" is my colourful way of saying "Mars is leaving the conjunction with Neptune".

Sabian symbol for ascendant, "a drowning man being rescued". Mars was drowning in Neptune..?

I found it interesting to see the POF conjunct Algol in the 7th house. It doesn't look too good - beheading, murder, violence, catastrophe, the "Evil One", the Demon Star; passionate; intense; hysterical. That is from http://www.astrologycom.com/fixedstars.html.

--> Ouch...This can be no further from the truth. But remember who got Algol in her chart and overcame it (channeled it into her great energy to accomplish admirable missions?-> Mother TERESA)
Algol in nativities is different in effect from horaries, as people can master it in a lifetime, whereas horary just describes a situation as it is at the moment.

I think Algol here means yes, we are facing tremendous "hardship", which requires us to act with equally "intense" response. Constant reassurance, plans, meetings, dealings, debates to save the economy and at the same time dealing with the boiling world politics (....Middle East and North Korea)

Banks are Jupiter, known enemies of nation are Venus. POF is in the 7th/enemies house.

--> can 7th house mean partners as well?
Yes it can but not in this chart, its not about myself rather about society, there is no partner to query which would then be the 7th, opposite to me, the 1st.

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Indeed, one does make note of the violence induced riots at the G-20 summit. I actually think it was well-deserved. Regardless of the theories behind it. That Prince Philip annoys me to hell and I'm sure he does the rest of Britain. How can he speak of his fellow men as clergymen is a part of his narracistic behavior, like every one of them(Obama included. Possibly being the biggest ego head of all of them).

Now here in America, there have been developments. The "Right-Wing" establishment, which up until now has utterly defended the "existence" or supposed "lack there of" of Fema camps, has now begun to drastically change it's course. By speaking openly of and agreeing of a New World Order.

I mean you heard Ann Coulter, someone as stupid like Sarah Palin endorse Ron Paul, But not nearly talk about all the things Ron Paul talks about(Because if the American people were to stop listening to their damned ipods and get some real infomation).....

You heard Glenn Beck spoke of his week long research into fema camps, only to say he couldn't do it. Fueling NWO speculation. It's far more likely that Mr.Beck and Ms.Ann already knew of the NWO, far before anyone did a "week research"(It's debatable if they even did that).

It's possible that by announcing the NWO to the world through the mass media, the powers that be are ultimately trying to silence the small media markets like Alex Jones's show, or Michael Savage's who recently called for the strong possibility of a Reichtsag like event in the United States.

The US Patriot Act is the most terroristic "act" ever produced in the United States. No, I'm sorry. Barack Obama's obviously false presidency, planned by the Rothschilds is the most terrorist act and attack against the United States by Corp.Britian.

But seeing as George.W.Bush(another Rothschilds/rockerfeller puppet) introduced the US "Patriot"(There's nothing Patriotic about wiretapping. Even if we were nuked I wouldn't sign this bill) act. You could very well argue that these two things are nuclear like attacks on the US and our freedom.

The enemy, Corp.Britain which seeks to reclaim it's land of America and ultimately the world thereby as a result has already declared serious war against us through it's manipulative tactics.

Unfortunately, the people won't exactly be able to mount an offensive. At least not here in the United States. We can thank the US Patriot Act for this, which many people have no understanding threatened one of the sacred, early rights the fathers gave to their fellow American:

If the government does not comply with the wishes of the people, then may a new revolution begin .

The Fathers, who also took part in the spiritual occult knew that the beautiful nation they created would one day be damned, and gave us the power to get rid of the damndations.

But now, the world's citizens must come together in order to get rid of a most familar foe.