If I've understood Edgar Cayce's statements about astrology and the zodiac correctly, then he is pretty much stating that the zodiac used today (at his time and now) is not correct and is approximately one sign off ... which coinsides with what western sidereal astrologers say as well as Vedic astrologers. They use the zodiac that is intact with what Cayce said was to be used. I am not aware about Cayce's other mentions of astrology, if he also discussed methods for accuracy other than using "the right zodiac".
I did look for everything I could find to know what Cayce had to say about it because I was aware that he had mentioned it and I am sure that he had some kind of connection to other parts/dimensions than most of us earthlings have
... and so I decided to go into learning about western sidereal astrology and hope for new discoveries there, which indeed I found.
You are correct. And it has been since determined from Edgar's readings that the Zodiac entered into the "Age of Aquarius in June 1936 [or it may have been July, I'm winding down from a long busy day unto night and have too much other subjects on my mind at the moment, but I have it posted in a number of threads here at aw. There was a woman who became a member here about two years ago that is very active in the A.R.E. organization and part of a very dedicated and knowledgeable study group comprised of fellow members of the A.R.E. She told me that they had nailed the date down to the day but all she left me with was enough cited references to get it down to a two week period.
I use very, little of sign astrology in my interpretations. But it is possible that the descriptions were accurate for the signs they are presently attributed to. After all it takes about 2160 years to get through one sign and it's likely those descriptions were written during that time.
Cayce said that astrology is a very worthwhile study and tool when understood properly but what was being practiced in the first half of the 20th century was doing far more harm than good.
That's mostly what you'll find people practicing here.
Sp. from that following Spring Equinox up until, likely, 2008 the first day of Spring had been occurring in the 30th degree of Aquarius. Now it's happening in the 29th degree.
I find this so intrigue as especially the Sabian Symbol that is given as that for the 30th deg. of Aquarius.
Dane Rudhyar took around 40 years to interpret and summarize all 360 degree symbols. He studied the intently and I believe He was the most preeminently qualified person to interpret the symbols alive in the 20th century.
Marc Edmond Jones had his hands on them first as it was Marc that searched for and found the most unassuming, innocent and pure of channel clairvoyant, Miss Elsie Wheeler, to re-ascertain the Symbols that there was plenty of evidence that they were known to some of the most ancient known civilizations of the Asia Minor region thousands of years ago.
As Marc Edmond Jones had already drawn to some sort of conclusion as to how the symbols would progress from one to another, when they didn't quite match what he had envisioned them to be, he took the liberty of changing a number of them to fit his ideal of a "special social psychology and abstract philosophy" he had developed in theory.
When Dane met Marc in Los Angeles in 1930, about 4 or 5 years after Elsie had produced the symbols, Marc got him interested enough in the mimeographed courses on Astrology he was sending members of the "Sabian Assembly" which Marc had founded. As Dane had already studied Astrology for a bit of time beginning back in around 1920, Dane saw that something of the School of Astrological technique that Marc was promoting that piqued his interest. That interest grew that was mostly due to the book that Marc finished writing the following year, "Symbolical Astrology". Dane had seen about every set of symbols claimed to be the degree symbols. Dane studied the mby then but when He saw what those in Marc's book were , he became VERY INTERESTED. In Dane's own words, he "Found them to be far superior to previously published sets of degree symbols."
Dane was about 35 or 36 by this time and He had originally come to the U.S. from France, where He had been born and studied to be a composer and had been in American since late 1916 and the following sprig his Polytonal compositions were being performed by the New York Metropolitan Opera. He "hob-nobed" with society on the East Coast meeting many influential people, such as the only Zen master in America in those days, Sasaki Roshi, he got into studying the Vedas- Vedic Knowledge and it was during that time He changed his name from Daniel Chenier to Dane Rudhyar.
He met Alice Bailey of the American Theosophist Society and she commissioned him to compose some musical pieces for a production that was going to be given at the Theosophist headquarters in Los Angeles and He followed Alice out West that year, 1920. He got deeply into studying the works of Carl Jung in 1933/ Alice bailey encouraged him to write that book I mentioned in my post above which she also published and considered to be the finest book on Astrology written in the 20th century, as it is the only book chosen to make the "Greatest 100 Books of the 20th century" chosen by the London Times in 1999-2000.
He asked Marc if he might include a condensed version of the symbols and their descriptions in his own book and Marc readily agreed.
But some time following the first printing of his book Dane began noticing more and more . bit by bit increasingly noticing that here and there the symbols seemed to "veer off" and he found some of Marc's descriptions to be unsatisfactory. Upon learning that the clairvoyant, Elsie Wheeler was living just a couple of hundred miles away in San Diego at the time, Dane drove down South one day to pay her a visit. He asked her if she could recall what exactly she saw for a couple of the degrees he was concerned about and she told Dane that she could do better than that. Marc had let her keep all 360 of the cards they had used with Elsie's description of each symbol written on the card by Marc
Marc was busted... here was now no doubt what Marc had done and Dane was the one to notice there was something wrong. That should give you an bit of an idea of just how good Dane was at interpreting symbology.
So, Dane started publishing a corrected version, symbol by symbol at the rate of about 3 or 4 a year in a couple of popular astrological magazines, back in the day in the early 940's, He asked Marc for his permission to write his proposed book on the Sabian Symbols and if he might change the imagery on any that He felt could make them easier to understand , put into the context of American society etc., if Dane thought there was a need too... Marc not only agreed, He gave Rudhyar his blessing.
Then Marc came out with anew book on the symbols but this time He used the brief original descriptions as they were originally described by Elsie and written by Marc on those cards but added to the symbols completely new and different interpretations heavily emphasizing the opposition aspect degrees.
Now, I know that is a bit too much information, but I had to give enough of the events in their order to help you visualize what was going down. The books that have written accounts of these times give the impression that all was well in the astrological circles and everyone was a welcome fellow Star Charter and they were all freely sharing there findings not hoarding them.
If you have guessed by now that Dane was blackmailing Jones with abit of the, kind of old, "You let me do what I want to do with them and I'll never speak of his again" sort of agreement, then you have the same thoughts as to what probably transpired as I believe likely did.
But having studied these symbols for over 30 years now myself, and knowing which symbols Dane changed and what the original symbol was, I can tell anyone that wants to listen that in every instance I've seen, Dane did an excellent job of keeping the symbolism to the precept but making them readily identifiable.
As Elsie's original description for the symbol for the 30th degree of Aquarius, is "The Field of Ardath In Bloom" which, referred to a scene in an occult novel by Marie Corelli, centering upon ancient Babylon and, was written around the year 1916.... it is not of much use for many people, if any, nowadays.
But, it is the one symbol that Dane did major reconstructive symbolism on
As a field of many tiny little flowers like that of clover, or something similar. at the height of spring seen from a distance appears to be all one singular giant flower.
"AQUARIUS 30°: DEEPLY BOOTED IN THE PAST OF A VERY ANCIENT CULTURE, A SPIRITUAL BROTHERHOOD IN WHICH MANY INDIVIDUAL MINDS ARE MERGED INTO THE GLOWING LIGHT OF A UNANIMOUS CONSCIOUSNESS IS REVEALED TO ONE WHO HAS EMERGED SUCCESSFULLY FROM HIS METAMORPHOSIS.
KEYNOTE: The ability for the person with an open mind and a deep feeling for self-transcendence to come in contact with higher forms of existence.
The originally recorded Sabian symbol stated: 'The field of Ardath in bloom,' which referred to a scene in an occult novel by Marie Corelli centering upon ancient Babylon. The reference may well have been a "blind" inasmuch as Marc Jones has stressed his inner contact with a Brotherhood with Babylonian (or "Sabian") roots. A spiritual Brotherhood constitutes a state of 'multi-unity'— i.e. a multiplicity of individuals, if one thinks of the paths they trod to reach their final metamorphosis, but a unity of consciousness and 'Soul' —thus unanimity ('anima' meaning Soul). In this spiritual Whole each unit is a recognizable 'form' or entity if one looks at it with the eyes of personality; but when seen through a unified spiritual vision or from a distance, the Whole appears to be one single area of radiant light. Similarly, when studied by the modern physicist, light can be apprehended either as a stream of identifiable particles (photons) or as one continuous wave. Whether it is seen as one or the other depends on the point of view="4"]CONSCIOUS TOTALITY OF BEING. ".
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The astrological chart I produced for the date Edgar Cayce said that Jesus/Yeshu'a of Nazareth was born on, i.e. March 19th, 03 A.D julian calendar. aka April 2nd, 03 A.D. gregorian calendar.
which, by the way, produces a Part of Fortune in the 19th degree of Pisces. the Sabian Symbol for which is from Dane Rudhyars book on the Sabian Symbols, "An Astrological Mandala"
"PISCES 19°: A MASTER INSTRUCTING HIS DISCIPLE.
KEYNOTE: The transfer of power and knowledge which keeps the original spiritual and creative Impulse of the cycle active and undeviated."
The 30th degree of Aquarius, above, is what was derived from that same chart for the Part of Service...as it is really about "Spiritual Service" and also the part of Bondage derived from that chart, as it is about ;Spiritual Bondage'
If you are familiar with the terms "Great White Brotherhood", "White Lodge", "Ascended Masters" then you should be able to easily recognize whet the symbol that Dane chose to re formulate as is really all about.
Edgar Cayce was asked by members of the Executive Committee of Group 9 of the A.R.E.
{A Washington D.C. based group... think about that]
They were after an answer that had things buzzing in a number of circles for some time. For the first 10 years that Edgar was giving his 'readings" all he did was address the physical body and it's ailments.
then one day he tells a client that the reason he was ill and suffering in his life was due to past karma from a previous life.
That was the day many "minds were blown' associated with A.R.E.
So they had gotten curious and he answered for many kinds of question, Karma, previous lives, ancient civilizations far more advanced than even we are right now. The origin and destiny of mankind, UFO"s, So apparently some one got worried and wanted to make sure that it was someone in the immediate family or if I lost it.
What they eventually found out in reading number (254-83) on 2/14/1935 when Edgar was repeatedly asked to identify the source from where the knowledge was coming from it was reveled that in all readings in which any question asked of a subject other than pertaining to a physical ailment of physical health. Who was speaking if it wasn't Edgar?
It ws reveled by asking the following question:
Q. to what extent are the Masters of the Great White Brotherhood directing the activities of Edgar Cayce?
Who are the Masters directly in charge?
A. Messengers from the higher forces that may manifest from the Throne of Grace itself
If you understand how the question was asked and in the manner then you have bu one conclusion. As the Executive committee asked..."To what Extant are...?" That means once in awhile.
...or A couple of times that month? Every question other than the physical ones. just some of the non physical...
Worded as it was it can mean any of or all of that.
Cayce was asked again: Q. Who are the Masters directly in charge? Is Saint Germain
A. {interrupting}Those that are directed by the Lord of lords, the KIng of kings, Him that came that ye be one with the father.
Q. Is Saint Germain among them? Who is Halaliel?
A. These are all but messengers of the Most High.
Halaliel is that one who from the beginning has been as a leader of the heavenly host, who has defied Ariel, who has made the ways that have been heavy----but as the mean for understanding."
Q, Is Saint Germain among them?
A. When needed
Rudhyar got hooked up with the Theosophists in 1920's to mid 1930's and in fact married Leadbetter's personal secretary
Guy Ballard claimed to have met and became a disciple of Saint Germain on Mount Shasta, Calif. August 16th, 1930 and was active with being the alleged "messenger until hi passing on Dec 29, 1939
Admirl Byrd as a story surrounding his 1929 flight over the South Pole that is hard to get any straight "official" facts about.He claimed they were intercepted, or something aslike that and forced to land and met inhabitants of Argartha, That is also part of some of the Saint Germain stories.
The writers assistant that my publisher got to help me write my fist book, is Dorothy Leon, whom live in Southern Oregon and claims to be a disciple of Saint Germain and meets and talks with him often. She has a number of books published that she has written and I have found a good deal of info that I previously knew nothing about to be true in her works. She also turned out to be an old friend of the room mate I had at the time I started writing the book. Suryakant. Disciple of Dhyanyogi Madhusundandas.
Reall, a pious ygi and a great human being...very knowledgeable and who provided me with the understanding to understand Rudhyars's Sabian Book as to a few chapters in Part Three. The Cross and the Star, being one that comes immediately to mind. Without my having met Suryakant, I would have never recognized the Jesus/Yeshu'a natal chart for what it truly is...and the entirety of all the events and the players is that it lead to a fantastic understanding that the Sabian Symbols are quite genuine, that the astrological Parts are "symbolically active', the chart axis symbology may be the most important thing of them all to learn of and how to do it.
I was told by my clairvoyant that Suryakant is the reincarnation of ''Sir Galahad" of Arthurian legend And all the symbology in his chart say just that , too!
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