chart ruler and the house rulers
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JUPITERASC
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an often asked question - previous discussion provides definitive answers
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48463
Ascendant ruler is "lord of the Horoscope". Because the Horoscope is the Ascendant, and the Ascendant is "the Beginning", and modern science says that "the final outcome of anything is dependent on initial conditions", and also because the entire destiny is shown at the Ascendant...the ruler of the Ascending sign acquires special power.
You mention planets that occupy your 4th house. Well and good, but more important is the condition of Moon, lord of the horoscope.
Morin suggests, in delineating any house, the following:
1. Lord of the house cusp.
2. Planets in the house, especially those nearer the cusp.
3. Aspects to the house cusp, and then to planets in the house.
I have Cancer rising. Moon is in Libra, intercepted in 4th. She beholds 2 partile minor aspects, and a couple of separating majors. She is in the terms of Venus, as is the Asc degree, with Venus prominent and powerful, in her own terms but heavily afflicted. So Venus is brought to the fore in affairs of the Ascendant....
You do well in looking to the 4th, but this is supplementary to the Asc, not primary. (If Mars is strongly angular, he becomes more important.) I have Neptune closely conjunct IC.
The general characteristics of the rising sign will show up in the life. Cancer suggests: a "mother-complex", the importance of childhood nurture (or often lack thereof), a mystical outlook (possibly)...etc. But the main thing is the condition of the lord of the sign.
In my chart, proper interpretation of Moon as lord of the horoscope first requires an understanding of Venus because she has such a powerful influence over all the main factors tied to the Asc.
You mention planets that occupy your 4th house. Well and good, but more important is the condition of Moon, lord of the horoscope.
Morin suggests, in delineating any house, the following:
1. Lord of the house cusp.
2. Planets in the house, especially those nearer the cusp.
3. Aspects to the house cusp, and then to planets in the house.
I have Cancer rising. Moon is in Libra, intercepted in 4th. She beholds 2 partile minor aspects, and a couple of separating majors. She is in the terms of Venus, as is the Asc degree, with Venus prominent and powerful, in her own terms but heavily afflicted. So Venus is brought to the fore in affairs of the Ascendant....
You do well in looking to the 4th, but this is supplementary to the Asc, not primary. (If Mars is strongly angular, he becomes more important.) I have Neptune closely conjunct IC.
The general characteristics of the rising sign will show up in the life. Cancer suggests: a "mother-complex", the importance of childhood nurture (or often lack thereof), a mystical outlook (possibly)...etc. But the main thing is the condition of the lord of the sign.
In my chart, proper interpretation of Moon as lord of the horoscope first requires an understanding of Venus because she has such a powerful influence over all the main factors tied to the Asc.
OMG 😮 my sr has a planet in 12th. Venus 🙉. This year and next year. Ffs
I find it hard to understand and then put it together G
The 12th, among other things, symbolizes "selfless service to others". This is one way, and a very good way, out of a dark corner.
The 12th also represents "death of the ego", or "self-sacrifice in service to others". The 12th is also Bondage, in all its myriad forms. But it is also "liberation from bondage", which ensues from death of the ego.
The 12th also represents "death of the ego", or "self-sacrifice in service to others". The 12th is also Bondage, in all its myriad forms. But it is also "liberation from bondage", which ensues from death of the ego.
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Thank you 😊
The 12th is also "self-destruction" or "self-defeating acts". It is "isolation", usually but not always under compulsion (prison, hermitage, etc.).
Here we find "repressed contents", the psychological stuff we are not yet capable of facing consciously...another form of bondage, because the repressed contents control us, unseen.
I had a client in Mexico. Both her husband and her adult daughter had Mars in 12. He was a detective with the state police, she was warden of the state penitentiary for women. As you can see, the horoscope works itself out, with or without knowledge of astrology.
I had a friend, Pluto in Leo 12th. Leo rising. Sun square Pluto from Scorpio 4th. He committed suicide when the transit of Pluto EXACTLY, to the minute of arc, reached the semisquare to natal Sun. He had spent 18 of his 45 years in the toughest prisons. His suicide might appear to have been an act of personal will, but old astrologers know better. Tick-tock, tick-tock, the hands of the celestial clock signal life's events, and we have no voice in the affair.
The world is not a democracy.
Here we find "repressed contents", the psychological stuff we are not yet capable of facing consciously...another form of bondage, because the repressed contents control us, unseen.
I had a client in Mexico. Both her husband and her adult daughter had Mars in 12. He was a detective with the state police, she was warden of the state penitentiary for women. As you can see, the horoscope works itself out, with or without knowledge of astrology.
I had a friend, Pluto in Leo 12th. Leo rising. Sun square Pluto from Scorpio 4th. He committed suicide when the transit of Pluto EXACTLY, to the minute of arc, reached the semisquare to natal Sun. He had spent 18 of his 45 years in the toughest prisons. His suicide might appear to have been an act of personal will, but old astrologers know better. Tick-tock, tick-tock, the hands of the celestial clock signal life's events, and we have no voice in the affair.
The world is not a democracy.
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JUPITERASC
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taking as gospel the online opinions of beginners on a random response forum
is potentially another
JUPITERASC
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well said
keep in mind also that a Solar Return chart is necessarily read
in tandem with the natal chart
on which that Solar Return is based
taking as gospel the online opinions of beginners on a random response forum
is potentially another
10-4 good buddy.
And more...
"Unexpected help from unsuspected benefactors" is 12th house.
So...Ruler of another house in 12th...
Which other house?
Which of the planets is it?
What is the planet's condition?
Etc.
I have Jupiter in Gemini 12th.
It has literally saved my life several times, even though I was unaware of the danger. Jupiter is lord of 6 & 10.
Let's take the MC, 10th. The 12th is a dark house; it is obscure. So here we have an indication of "obscurity" affecting 10th house affairs. I am unlikely to become famous, based on this single chart element. The career may be somehow involved with the occult. The lord of Jupiter and the 12th is in the 8th, also a dark house, occult. Aha. We find Mercury in biquintile Neptune, who is in exact conjunction IC, in 4th (also a dark house), and Mercury rules both Jupiter and Neptune....and Neptune is co-ruler of MC. Once again, lord of MC in obscurity.
Always look to the chart as a whole.
Look for repetition of theme. If you see it once, could be...see it twice, high probability...thrice, go to the bank.
Don't try to impose things on the chart. Instead, let the chart talk to you...be receptive.
There are 4 basic sets of symbols in astrology; master them. [planets, signs, houses, aspects] All the other stuff will fall into place. Simplify.
"Unexpected help from unsuspected benefactors" is 12th house.
So...Ruler of another house in 12th...
Which other house?
Which of the planets is it?
What is the planet's condition?
Etc.
I have Jupiter in Gemini 12th.
It has literally saved my life several times, even though I was unaware of the danger. Jupiter is lord of 6 & 10.
Let's take the MC, 10th. The 12th is a dark house; it is obscure. So here we have an indication of "obscurity" affecting 10th house affairs. I am unlikely to become famous, based on this single chart element. The career may be somehow involved with the occult. The lord of Jupiter and the 12th is in the 8th, also a dark house, occult. Aha. We find Mercury in biquintile Neptune, who is in exact conjunction IC, in 4th (also a dark house), and Mercury rules both Jupiter and Neptune....and Neptune is co-ruler of MC. Once again, lord of MC in obscurity.
Always look to the chart as a whole.
Look for repetition of theme. If you see it once, could be...see it twice, high probability...thrice, go to the bank.
Don't try to impose things on the chart. Instead, let the chart talk to you...be receptive.
There are 4 basic sets of symbols in astrology; master them. [planets, signs, houses, aspects] All the other stuff will fall into place. Simplify.
JUPITERASC
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One more thing....
I had my first Saturn Return in 2014.
Instead of he forced me to confront the house where he is placed in.... Rather he forced me into the house he rules (Capricorn on the cusp). And he denied me to deal with the house he is placed in since then.
He said:
I had my first Saturn Return in 2014.
Instead of he forced me to confront the house where he is placed in.... Rather he forced me into the house he rules (Capricorn on the cusp). And he denied me to deal with the house he is placed in since then.
He said: