how the right misunderstands everyone else
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Just like every place in the world that's tried it. TOTAL DISASTER everywhere.
People need incentives to achieve success. Handing them their welfare doesn't bring them dignity or independence....which the Dems don't want of course.
The 'State' wants the people to be dependent & they can control them that way. Do what we say or we won't give you what you need.
Or do what we say or we will kill you.
Either way kills the will in people. Without Freedom to live independent from the gov't, there is no happiness, no joy.
The Dems are like a dark force that squeeze all the light out in the room.
All they leave is a bad stink whereever they go.
People need incentives to achieve success. Handing them their welfare doesn't bring them dignity or independence....which the Dems don't want of course.
The 'State' wants the people to be dependent & they can control them that way. Do what we say or we won't give you what you need.
Or do what we say or we will kill you.
Either way kills the will in people. Without Freedom to live independent from the gov't, there is no happiness, no joy.
The Dems are like a dark force that squeeze all the light out in the room.
All they leave is a bad stink whereever they go.
OH, now you know how 3 million conservatives feel while they listen & read non-stop lies & propaganda against them yet they can't respond. They've been banned everywhere.
Only difference is YOU & your radical Left Lunatics get to talk non-stop with NO censorship no matter how dishonest.
AND...you weren't prevented from expressing yourself (hence, this thread you began) so please stop playing the victim card which the Left excel at.
Only difference is YOU & your radical Left Lunatics get to talk non-stop with NO censorship no matter how dishonest.
AND...you weren't prevented from expressing yourself (hence, this thread you began) so please stop playing the victim card which the Left excel at.
Moderator Tim Wilson posted a long, detailed anti-leftist message to me but shut down the thread before I could respond.
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leomoon
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As part of the "left of center", I'm understanding that the Trump family "right of center" are expecting a convention of sorts tomorrow and Friday since their room rack rates went up X2+ from the norm.
Hmm. I wonder if it has to do with his pretend inauguration day? When they expect to crown him king. Hope no one gets hurt tomorrow or Friday in the milieu . Left or Right or middle innocent bystanders. He didn't get to tell them this time as he tweeted on Jan. 6th, "Be there, it will be WILD"
Trump International DC hotel must be expecting lots of guests:
Hmm. I wonder if it has to do with his pretend inauguration day? When they expect to crown him king. Hope no one gets hurt tomorrow or Friday in the milieu . Left or Right or middle innocent bystanders. He didn't get to tell them this time as he tweeted on Jan. 6th, "Be there, it will be WILD"
Trump International DC hotel must be expecting lots of guests:
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leomoon
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Thanks for asking!
He DID forget to sell his D.C. Hotel first. I subscribe to the following philosophy:
George Santayana-1905 said, "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
[What are you talking about?
Any comment on this disgusting white supremacist couple who think reading about green eggs & ham is not racist!
Where's your outrage while you bleat racist to every white person on the planet.
Michelle reading Dr. Seuss.[/I][/B]
https://youtu.be/nVpHc8wsRKE
READ ALONG with MICHELLE OBAMA! | Oh, the Places You'll Go! / Can I Be Your Dog? | PBS KIDS
Obama: Dr. Suess Was Right
Quote: "pretty much everything you need to know is in Dr. Seuss.
https://youtu.be/6I6NQ2Le6c8
QUOTE=leomoon;1097752]Thanks for asking! He DID forget to sell his D.C. Hotel first.
I subscribe to the following philosophy:
George Santayana-1905 said, "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."[/QUOTE]
Any comment on this disgusting white supremacist couple who think reading about green eggs & ham is not racist!
Where's your outrage while you bleat racist to every white person on the planet.
Michelle reading Dr. Seuss.[/I][/B]
https://youtu.be/nVpHc8wsRKE
READ ALONG with MICHELLE OBAMA! | Oh, the Places You'll Go! / Can I Be Your Dog? | PBS KIDS
Obama: Dr. Suess Was Right
Quote: "pretty much everything you need to know is in Dr. Seuss.
https://youtu.be/6I6NQ2Le6c8
QUOTE=leomoon;1097752]Thanks for asking!
He DID forget to sell his D.C. Hotel first. I subscribe to the following philosophy:
George Santayana-1905 said, "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."[/QUOTE]
leomoon
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[/QUOTE][What are you talking about?
Any comment on this disgusting white supremacist couple who think reading about green eggs & ham is not racist!
Where's your outrage while you bleat racist to every white person on the planet.
Michelle reading Dr. Seuss.[/I][/B]
https://youtu.be/nVpHc8wsRKE
READ ALONG with MICHELLE OBAMA! | Oh, the Places You'll Go! / Can I Be Your Dog? | PBS KIDS
Obama: Dr. Suess Was Right
Quote: "pretty much everything you need to know is in Dr. Seuss.
https://youtu.be/6I6NQ2Le6c8
QUOTE=leomoon;1097752]Thanks for asking!
I subscribe to the following philosophy:
George Santayana-1905 said, "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
As I said earlier in my post, I am not familiar with the Dr. Seuss uproar and didn't find it interesting enough to pique my interest either.
But thanks anyway for asking.
Best not to read in between the lines.
waybread
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Cary2, please stay on-topic.
More generally, it is the thread title: "how the right misunderstands everyone else."
Who exactly do you think "everyone else" is, Cary????
You seem to be in a binary sort of echo chamber, in which if Americans do not align with the far right, they must be guilty of whatever sins you care to paste on leftists/socialists/communists: with whom you apparently lump together moderate Republicans, centrist Democrats, independents, and the politically disinterested.
This is what the hard right refuses to understand: that Americans do not, for the most part, partake of the hard right's insistence on a binary world.
As a white female American and political moderate, I actually hadn't thought of Malcolm X for years. I don't know how that jives with your allegation that leftists blame "the entire white race" [which would include all those Europeans, Aussies, Kiwis, Canadians, &c] for the death of Malcolm X. So far as I know, his assassins were fellow members of the Nation of Islam.
He died 55 years ago, incidentally. Maybe you've got current examples to bolster your points, vs. men who died a long time ago.
But thanks for, yet again, validating the point made in the thread title.
You're getting to be a real asset here, Cary.
waybread
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Wow! I was sure this topic would come up! Thanks for broaching it, Oddity.
I do not consider myself to be a leftist. I hope I am caring and compassionate.
It just so happens, that I did some sleuthing into the flap over the Doctor Suess books.
It turns out that the entity that deals with the Dr. Suess books, Dr. Suess Enterprises, is an imprint of a large publishing company, Penguin Random House. Previously Random House and Penguin paperbacks were separate publishing entities, now combined. But-- Penguin Random House a subsidiary entirely owned by a huge German multi-national media corporation called Bertelsmann.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertelsmann#Penguin_Random_House
As you know, Oddity, the 6 Dr. Seuss books are not banned, but simply will not be reprinted. All of the other Dr. Seuss books remain in print, so far as I know. The 6 books in question will be available through all of the normal outlets of the hundreds of thousands of books that are out of print.
Myself, I wouldn't have handled it this way. Probably I would explain to children that the slant-eyed Chinese man eating a bowl of rice, and the two African men in grass skirts are negative ethnic stereotypes, but that white Americans in the past weren't so sensitive.
But this was a decision made by a large corporation, not a bunch of lefties.
The last I heard, conservatives were all for laissez-faire capitalism and hands-off corporate business decisions.
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waybread
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David, I intend to start a new thread on how the messages of Jesus are today far more in keeping with liberal values than with the far right's insensitivity to the poor, the sick, the incarcerated, and the homeless. Unless someone else beats me to it.
(Hey, Cary--I will even get back to your points, if I do.)
Oddity
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You really need to stop getting your ideas about us from CNN. There are a lot of conservatives here, you simply could've asked what we believe. But maybe that isn't as much fun as spewing stereotypes, and you've certainly shown no curiosity.
What you think we believe, and what we do believe don't seem to exist in the same universe.
david starling
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It's less problematic than abortion.
Virginia will soon be the first Southern State to ban the death penalty.
MLK was so passionate about ending it, and such a compelling personality, that he's credited with convincing several entire countries to abolish it.
That was quite symbolic of Trump to schedule the execution of a Black man on MLK's birthday.
I looked up the Libertarian Party position on the death penalty, and was surprised it's unequivocally against it.
It's divided on the abortion issue.
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david starling
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If you identify as a "We", instead of an "I", you run the risk of getting lumped in with others who hold opinions you may not agree with.
It's like subscribing to Sun-sign astrology.
Oddity
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You know full well what I meant. What we have in common - at heart, most of us see the USA as an amazing experiment, and we don't want it to fail.
How that means we're all drooling fascists marching in goosestep (and supporting laissez-faire capitalism, sorry, almost forgot) is utterly beyond me.
If you want to know what a conservative thinks, ask one. Don't tell us what we believe because you heard it from some stupid news show or youtube vid, or poison pen article. Also, we're not all exactly alike. So what?
waybread
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Re: Cary2's post #30.
Cary, nobody has the patience to sit through your hours of YouTube.
If you have something to say, try for a concise and "tidy" set of your own points.
Climate change is very real. This is what the vast majority of actual professional climate scientists understand. I understand it from visits to the Columbia Ice Fields in the 1970s and 2010s; as well as Glacier National Park. The glaciers are shrinking. Sea level is rising, and so on. One can only hope that mitigation measures in place are slowing down the rate of change.
I hate to break it to you, but the motive for making GMOs was not some kind of sentimental wish to prevent world hunger. It was profit.
The problem with uncontrolled GMO substitutions for traditional crops has to due with preserving the genetic diversity of crop plants, and inadequate research on their environmental impacts. Also with driving small farmers internationally off their land, because only big farmers can afford expensive patented seeds and animals, let alone the equipment to process them, that cannot be propagated on their own. Did you know that the majority of the world's agriculture today is controlled by only 6 Big Agra firms? (Monsanto, Cargill, &c.)
Sensible people want no more uncontrolled experiments with the world's food supply. They don't want food security taken out of their hands. Apparently you do.
But I guess the hard right is all for laissez-faire capitalism of this nature.
Also try to understand what other people actually say. It's not about your own personal straw-man riff on what you mistakenly think they must believe in order not to join the hard right.
You persist in sticking to your fallacious two-way binary: anyone who doesn't buy into a hardcore rightwing ideology and Trumpism must be a leftist of the worst type. That's precisely what the right wing does not understand about everyone else.
You misunderstand the debate about IQ tests. There weren't hordes of anybody storming college campuses. It turned out that the old IQ tests didn't distinguish cultural and economic differences among students. Kids with books in the house would score better than kids without books in the house, regardless of innate intelligence. Parents' socio-economic status was the best predictor of how students would score.
But today, there are lots of fun IQ tests available on-line. Why don't you take some, and tell us how you score?
I do love your expression, "identitarian politics." There's been a lot of it going on among white people for a long time.
On Trumpism as a cult, psychologists identified the earmarks of a cult long before Trump took office. Some of them do not apply but these do:
Cary, I plan to start a thread on how Jesus might align himself politically if he were alive today. I'll take up the "what would Jesus do" theme there.
Probably you didn't stop to think about the strength of African American churches, and that 87% of African American voters chose Biden in 2020. Similarly, many Hispanics are Catholics. 65% of them voted for Biden.
76% of white evangelicals voted for Trump, but 62% of "others" voted for Biden. That tells us something about the skew in Christian support for Trump.
But once again, thanks for validating the main point of my thread title. It's getting to be a habit with you.
Cary, nobody has the patience to sit through your hours of YouTube.
If you have something to say, try for a concise and "tidy" set of your own points.
Climate change is very real. This is what the vast majority of actual professional climate scientists understand. I understand it from visits to the Columbia Ice Fields in the 1970s and 2010s; as well as Glacier National Park. The glaciers are shrinking. Sea level is rising, and so on. One can only hope that mitigation measures in place are slowing down the rate of change.
I hate to break it to you, but the motive for making GMOs was not some kind of sentimental wish to prevent world hunger. It was profit.
The problem with uncontrolled GMO substitutions for traditional crops has to due with preserving the genetic diversity of crop plants, and inadequate research on their environmental impacts. Also with driving small farmers internationally off their land, because only big farmers can afford expensive patented seeds and animals, let alone the equipment to process them, that cannot be propagated on their own. Did you know that the majority of the world's agriculture today is controlled by only 6 Big Agra firms? (Monsanto, Cargill, &c.)
Sensible people want no more uncontrolled experiments with the world's food supply. They don't want food security taken out of their hands. Apparently you do.
But I guess the hard right is all for laissez-faire capitalism of this nature.
Also try to understand what other people actually say. It's not about your own personal straw-man riff on what you mistakenly think they must believe in order not to join the hard right.
You persist in sticking to your fallacious two-way binary: anyone who doesn't buy into a hardcore rightwing ideology and Trumpism must be a leftist of the worst type. That's precisely what the right wing does not understand about everyone else.
You misunderstand the debate about IQ tests. There weren't hordes of anybody storming college campuses. It turned out that the old IQ tests didn't distinguish cultural and economic differences among students. Kids with books in the house would score better than kids without books in the house, regardless of innate intelligence. Parents' socio-economic status was the best predictor of how students would score.
But today, there are lots of fun IQ tests available on-line. Why don't you take some, and tell us how you score?
I do love your expression, "identitarian politics." There's been a lot of it going on among white people for a long time.
On Trumpism as a cult, psychologists identified the earmarks of a cult long before Trump took office. Some of them do not apply but these do:
https://www.oprahmag.com/life/relationships-love/a33648485/signs-of-a-cult/
Cary, I plan to start a thread on how Jesus might align himself politically if he were alive today. I'll take up the "what would Jesus do" theme there.
Probably you didn't stop to think about the strength of African American churches, and that 87% of African American voters chose Biden in 2020. Similarly, many Hispanics are Catholics. 65% of them voted for Biden.
76% of white evangelicals voted for Trump, but 62% of "others" voted for Biden. That tells us something about the skew in Christian support for Trump.
But once again, thanks for validating the main point of my thread title. It's getting to be a habit with you.
Oddity
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Ah, Waybread, Waybread. I realise I'm linking to The Federalist here, but I promise it won't hurt you.
6 Ways Leftism Acts Like a Religion:
https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/13/6-ways-leftism-acts-like-a-religion/
Ironic, no?
6 Ways Leftism Acts Like a Religion:
https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/13/6-ways-leftism-acts-like-a-religion/
Ironic, no?
waybread
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Thanks for once again validating my thread title: How the right misunderstands everyone else." Good show, Blackbery.
Because-- how do you explain the strength of African American churches, with 87% of African Americans voting for Joe Biden? 65% of Hispanic voters voted for Biden, and the majority of Hispanics (80%) self-identify as Christian.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/exit-polls-president.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris... 19.6 million,identify as atheist or agnostic.
Biden himself is a practicing Catholic who regularly attends mass, despite his controversial stand on abortion.
How lovely that you demonize people who do not share your own religious beliefs. But tell me, does your personal faith encourage you to proselytize? How is this working for you?"
Aren't you supposed to love thy neighbor as thyself?
I am going to start a new thread on Jesus' teachings as more consistent with Liberal American politics than with hard right conservatism, because it is becoming a topic in its own right, so think about transferring your "comments" on religion there.