Will We Have A Proper Romantic Relationship In The Future?

Ok, here's the chart guys. Please tell me if I need to add any info to it:-



The basic story is:

13 years ago, N and I had a relationship. I really loved him and saw him as husband material, he said he loved me and I think he really did. Unfortunately, we were both doing degrees far away from each other and it was difficult to see each other often enough. I felt like I was burning up and couldn't cope with such strong feelings. He was less experienced than me and I think he was afraid of the relationship. In the end, out of the blue, I finished the relationship, thinking I would save him for later. I thought he would realise that we should definitely be more serious about things given time. We had something very special. Anyway, confused, we went our separate ways, both married different people, and my marriage broke up 2 years ago. N and I have been in contact since. Unfortunately, he is married and living in Australia now and says he just wants to be friends although sometimes what he says and does are 2 different things. I mean no offence to his wife and am totally respectful, but I really get a strong feeling that N and I will have a committed romantic relationship in the future, and that in some way (not by my actions) N and his wife will not be together for the rest of their lives.

Can anyone shed some light on this?

Smiles and thanks,
Ax.

Hi Alst, I am afraid that this is not a horary question! This is your natal chart . Or maybe, because it is indeed the 26th of November today, you meant to type "2007" and typed 1973.
Also, do stay away from all the asteroids and stars and all the aspects. It is best to just put in Chiron and Juno maybe in this case and of course the part of fortune. For the aspects, do not click where it says, "aspects to all". It gives too many. Let me know first if this is your birthchart or if you put in the wrong year. Thanks, Starlink

Oops! Sorry.

Here is the proper chart then:-

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6163/astro2gw16

Hope this is correct now.

Cheers.
Ax.

Oh boy, I cannot open it! Just give me the date and time of the question + of course the place. Thanks! Starlink

Best thing to do is post a composite chart of the two of you. Include all the main planets, plus the north node, vertex and juno (skip the rest). That will tell more and we can look at transits to that chart.

Hey Starlink,

Sorry about all of this!

The question data is as follows:-

Date: 14/11/07
Time: 7.37pm
Place: Basingstoke, England.

Apparently, it can help if you have physical descriptions of the people involved (saw it on a horary site). Well, if you need the info here goes:-

Me: Small, petite, blonde, pretty, sagittarius, 152cm tall.
N: Very tall, dark hair, charming, Libra, 195cm tall.
My ex: Medium height, fair hair, stocky build, deceitful, sagittarius 172cm tall.
N's wife: Unknown, N never speaks about her.

Thanks for all your help, it is really honestly appreciated.

Ax.

Ok, here is a composite for you:-

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/4676/astro621gw0

Please bear in mind I don't have N's birth time (I think he's a non-believer!).

Thanks.

Ax.

Yes, I have been having trouble with imageshack lately. I would guess N's birthtime to be around midday. Having used this in his natal, composite and synastry charts, I believe him to have Sagittarius AC. This would make his moon in Aries.

If anyone else can run a composite chart (or any other chart they feel would help) here is our birth data, and the question data:-

Me: birth time = 10.17am, 26/11/73, Luton (Bedford) England.
N: birth time = 12.01 noon, 11/10/73, Cambridge (England).

Question: Time = 7.37pm, Date = 14/11/07, Place = Basingstoke (England).

Any help much appreciated.

Ax. :34:

OK Ax. I will run the chart and let you know what I see. Yes, the physical thing is usefull if you want to see if the chart is radical.
Thanks, Starlink

OK Ax., I have the chart in front of me. The Ascendant is Cancer, 16°, so your ruler is the Moon. Mars is so close to the Ascendant that I also count him as being in the 1st house and so he becomes co-significator of you.
Moon is situated in the 7th house which is showing how you would like to be in relationship, but in Capricorn which is of course a sign where Moon is not particularly happy in, showing of course how you feel about this relationship. But you write that you somehow have the feeling that he still cares very much about you. This can be deducted from the fact that the Moon is ruler of the triplicity by night (of the sign Capricorn) and in term of Jupiter. He is however in his detriment in this sign and therefore weakened.
Mars, the other significator of you is placed in Cancer and we see the same thing here. He is in fact in a weak position, but has high hopes. He is in fall (even worse than detriment) in Cancer but he rules the triplicity by day and night in Cancer and is also in the term of Jupiter which gives him strength.Now, 7th house is Capricorn,so he is signified by Saturn and he is positioned in your 3rd house which shows that he is in communication with you. You can also see that you cannot come together because Mars has passed the sextile to Saturn, which showed that there was an opportunity (sextile) to be together in the past. Also the Moon at 15° has passed the trine to Saturn unfortunately, again showing that you (Moon) left.
So I am afraid that there will not be a proper relationship in the (near )future between the two of you on the basis of these aspects.

His wife is of course his 7th and that is your Ascendant also ruled by the Moon in the stable sign of Capricorn so I think she is feeling secure in her marriage with him, whilst in your case it means that you feel limited in your relationship with him.

I looked at the parts of Fortune and Passion .POF is in his 5th house at 22° exactly opposing the Sun in your 5th house.The Sun is ruler of the 2nd which rules the immediate future. POF falls in your 11th, showing your hopes and wishes.This is a very fortunate placement for POF. But he is stuck in the intercepted sign Taurus. The opposition could show the misfortune you had with the loverelationship with him and vice versa.POPassion is opposed to Saturn, exactly at 6° Pisces.Dont know how to interprete other than that the passion has gone out of your life.

Last aspects of the Moon however are a sextile to the Sun which is actually very good and shows an opportunity for you two to get together, but not a certainty. This could be in 7 somethings. Moon is slow as is Capricorn and Lilly says that Angular houses are slow as well, so it could be years in fact.
Other astrologers say that the Angular houses are fast, next ones are medium and cadent are slowest. Then an Angular house and a fixed sign could mean 7 month. Then Moon makes a half sextile to Jupiter and then to Pluto, (the Moon is allowed any sort of aspect). There could therefore be a big(Jupiter) turnaround(Pluto) for you a bit later than that.
Saturn will also oppose Uranus in 7 somethings which could co-incide with the Moon sextiling the Sun.He might divorce (Uranus) or relocate (Uranus ruler of your 9th, his 3rd.) Mars, your co-significator will trine Uranus in 2 somethings (month?) maybe showing that you will go on a trip.
End of the matter house for you is Mercury for you and Jupiter for him. Merc. is in Scorpio in your 5th (but in Via Combusta! which is weak and in Scorpio,in term of Mars, also very weak) and will sextile Saturn .Venus is dignified in your 4th house and as last aspect sextile Jupiter and Pluto.Together that looks like a maybe.Jupiter is very dignified in Sagittarius but in his 12th house which probably shows that he will want to keep it secret?
Anyways, I think that there could be an opportunity for you both to be together again (Sun-Moon sextile), but not in the immediate future and it is not certain based on the fact that both rulers, Moon and Saturn do not come together. But the traditional rulers of man and woman, Mars and Venus do come together but in square, meaning that it is going to be very difficult and many obstacles could come in the way. Cheers, Starlink

Wow, Starlink, that is really interesting. That is really the vibe I am getting about the situation.

Tell me, is there anything in the chart to indicate whether N and his wife will have children? And also about who would be most likely to seize our future "opportunity" and make the first move (me or him)? (I need to know everything!).

I think it will probably be years rather than months before any of this happens. And I do think something big will happen, some kind of "shift" i.e. divorce/relocation which will turn everything upside down in his life. I think this will cause him to re-evaluate his choices (for which I think the seeds have already been sown, but are dormant for the moment). I feel I have a spiritual teaching role in his life (about love) which is maybe due to my natal N. node in Sagittarius. There is definitely unfinished business between us which seems to have an energy of its own, and I think it will end up bursting like a champagne cork. I feel I need to sit and wait, keep in contact and be a kind of "angel on his shoulder". I don't think I will have to (and I don't feel the need) to manipulate this situation in anyway. (And besides I am not like that.).

And I do think there will be difficulties in our getting together, perhaps things such as appeasing my ex, money, distance, emmigration, my kids' education etc. Also, N. does like to keep his private life very secret. He is generally like that, which is perhaps why he doesn't speak of his wife.

Could you tell me if there is anything in the chart to tell me what I should/shouldn't do in this situation? I.e. I don't want to mess this up in anyway.

Many thanks, Starlink. You are an angel. Any more comments/thoughts you may have (or anybody else) will be cherished. Would you be able to post the chart up for me to see, please?

What about you Tikana, any thoughts?

Hey, I've just read on www.astrologyschool.com that the square aspect in horary means something will be denied. Basically a complete "no go". So with Moon and Saturn not coming together, and Mars and Venus only coming together in a Square, do you think that means there will be an opportunity (Moon Sextile Sun), but that it will be a "no go"?

ALST123 said:

Yes, I have been having trouble with imageshack lately. I would guess N's birthtime to be around midday. Having used this in his natal, composite and synastry charts, I believe him to have Sagittarius AC. This would make his moon in Aries.

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I have a question

what do you mean by "proper"?

TIk

Good question.

I mean a relationship where we both commit to being together in a love relationship, where we both put in the effort to see each other, communicate properly, commit in a monogamous, tangible, physical sense and see each other as "The One" and declare this openly.

I.e. NOT just emailing from opposite sides of the planet, or fobbing each other off in some sort of "I'm with you but looking elsewhere" situation, or "I'm just with you for the time being", or "I'm just in it for the sex". Do you see what I mean?

I don't necessarily mean "proper" in the old fashioned sense.

Thanks for the question, Tik.

Ax.