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The evidence was sufficient to enough to have him jailed for 28 years. He is not the only case, as there have been many others.

Had he been castrated, the state would have had to cough up millions to repay for the damage.

How does the state repay death?
What damage is done for castration?? And what costs??

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Yes? No? Sometimes?
In my humble opinion, no it shouldn't!!
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child molesters - death penalty

no question

Those Laws would have to be enforced then
but by whom

i.e.
according to WSOC-TV.
A North Carolina cop
impregnated a 14-year-old girl
while mentoring her in an attempt to prove that “policemen are good.”

Lowell police officer James Paul Blair, 51 is sitting in jail on a charge of statutory rape
The girl’s mother said she was reluctant to allow Blair
to become friendly with her daughter after she had run away
but allowed it because she had trust in police.
Besides, her daughter wanted to be a cop when she got older.
And Blair offered to take along the girl’s little brother on outings
as well along with his wife.

But then
according to the Gaston Gazette.
one day Blair asked the mother to keep the son at home
And his wife was apparently not around
when he took her virginity.

After learning her daughter was pregnant
the mother confronted the cop who admitted everything.
He also told her he wanted the girl to have an abortion to save his own skin.

But the girl’s mother said she does not believe in abortion.

According to WSOC-TV:
She said the veteran officer would visit often and even took them on a trip.
Then the mother discovered text messages
that indicated her daughter was pregnant and the officer was the father.
One of messages, which is in the hands of the SBI, states:
“If you keep that baby I’m done and you know it.”
Another said: “Do whatever you wanna do
just remember I love you and name it after me.”


“He told me he took her virginity.
He told me it was his baby.
He told me things happened and he said he was so sorry.
And he kept saying, ‘Please forgive him,’” she said.


She said then the officer asked her to do something that she considered unimaginable.
‘Get rid of the baby or I’ve lost my life. I’ve lost my life.’


“How do I kill a baby? I don’t kill no baby. I don’t believe in abortion,” the mother said.
The age of consent in North Carolina is 16.
Blair is being held on a $1 million bond.


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Re: Should the death penalty be allowed?

QUIS CUSTODIET IPSOS CUSTODES
A phrase from the Roman poet Juvenal
literally translated as:
"Who will guard the guards themselves?"
aka
"Who watches the Watchmen?"

i.e.

A Hamilton County Sheriff’s deputy was indicted this week
after being arrested for child sex crimes for the second time during his career in law enforcement.
After he had been put back on the job following an arrest years earlier
this monster was never indicted and allowed to return to duty to strike again.

Deputy John Bruce Spaulding, 49, was indicted by a Hamilton County Grand Jury
on six counts of sexual exploitation of a minor
following an investigation by the Tennessee Bureau of Investigators.

The TBI received a tip in June of this year from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children
that someone was in possession of disturbing images of children being sexually exploited.
Their investigation found that person to be Spaulding.
According to the indictment
Spaulding possessed material that included a minor engaged in sexual activity or simulated sexual activity.
The victims were under the age of 13.

The fact that this is the second time Spaulding has been charged with the same crime
speaks to the dangerous nature of blue privilege.
In 2010, when Spaulding lived in White County
he faced similar charges and was placed on paid vacation while the department conducted an ‘investigation.’
White County Sheriff Oddie Shoupe said at the time of the original charges
“It doesn’t matter who you are, no one is above the law in White County.
If you break the law, we’re gonna catch you and put you in jail.”
However, the investigation was eventually dismissed, and Spaulding was placed back on duty.
“With the charges dismissed for lack of proof, we were obligated to take him back”
Sheriff Jim Hammond said.
Since those charges were dismissed, Spaulding had been on patrol
until he was caught again.

According to a report in the Chattanoogan
The earlier case resulted from a joint investigation with the Department of Children’s Services
and the district attorney general’s office.
Authorities were contacted by DCS to assist with the investigation of allegations against Spaulding.
A White County detective said at the time,
“We want to protect the children of White County
and we will investigate all allegations of any wrong-doing
especially when it comes to children.”

However, they did very little to ‘protect the children’
as this monster was let loose on the town once more.
This serial child predator’s bond was set at a measly $10,000.
He quickly posted bail and was released.
He has now been suspended again, pending the outcome of yet another investigation http://newschannel9.com/news/local/h...ild-sex-crimes


As the Free Thought Project reported last November
an investigation by the AP revealed around 1,000 policemen across the US had their licenses revoked
and lost their jobs over the last six years on account of numerous sexual offenses
that included rape and possession of child pornography.
The probe revealed that 550 officers were decertified for various sexual assaults, including rape.
Some were dismissed for sodomy or sexual shakedowns
where victims were forced to perform sexual acts to avoid arrest.
A further 440 officers lost their jobs for other sex-related offenses
such as possessing child pornography, being a peeping Tom
sending sexually charged messages to underage teens or having sex while on duty.
About one-third of the officers lost their jobs for committing sexual offenses with juveniles.

The real number of sexual offenses could, however, be much higher
as AP only looked into registered cases where an officer lost their badge because of an offense.
Lawyers and police chiefs acknowledged that some departments let the sexual assaults slide
to limit their liability, allowing their staff to quietly resign or transfer to other duty stations or departments.
Furthermore, the probe notes that not all decertified officers faced criminal charges
as some policemen surrendered their badges voluntarily to avoid a potential scandal.



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Re: Should the death penalty be allowed?

To say that someone should die for any reason is absolutely heinous. As astrologers, we each are familiar with Pluto. We each know that it represents not merely physical death, but the essential death of our very thoughts and preconceptions. It's easy enough to toy with the notion of taking someone's life when you both aren't the executioner and aren't the one who's life is at stake, but put that axe in your hand and see if you're really so void of human empathy as to be able to kill another who has not explicitly done you any harm.

It's easy to lash out in rage when someone does us harm. It's easy because it's so foundational to our animal natures. We become angry as a defense, whether against a known danger or anything that we suspect might be a danger. But let me repeat that this is an ANIMAL response. It's survival instict given free reign over our rational, human minds.

The simple fact is, and every astrologer in this community knows it as well as I do, that people can change, but not until they know what's wrong with them.

Do you honestly think a murderer or a rapist just wakes up one morning and says, "Yeah, I think I'll go **** somebody's life over today." That isn't how it works, period. And to claim that another human can't relearn the humanity that was slowly drained out of them over the course of their lives is simultaneously ignorant and incredibly callous. You hold the evidence of human change and growth in your hands and then allow your terror to turn you into a murderer because you feel like you may be (or have been) made a victim?

And why do you think the criminals stooped so low? Because they were shown genuine concideration and affection? No, they were shown exactly the sort of callousness and inhumanity that supports the death penalty. You only justify their misconduct when you stoop to their level. You rage against your own fear and pain and hurl vitriol at those who are merely further down the very path you yourself are on.

Like I said, however, you can choose to be human, rather than monkey. You can choose to try to build the weak up, rathe than tear them down. But you have to stand tall enough to reach that high, first. The small-minded will only ever try to reduce the world to their level. You have a solution that you utilize every day in this community. There is absolutely no excuse to destroy another human life when you can repair it instead.

Unless you agree with their misconduct? When the world terrifies you and/or does you harm, do you believe it's acceptable to do harm back? Because that's the criminal mentality. It's base, it's short-sighted, and it's certainly beneath any of you who study such a transformative subject as astrology.
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Re: Should the death penalty be allowed?

It's easy to lay blame on people, and hard to help those who have done wrongs to us to grow past the circumstances that have stunted their psychological growth.

Doing what's right is rarely easy. But that doesn't make it any less right.
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It's easy to lay blame on people,
and hard to help those who have done wrongs to us
to grow past the circumstances that have stunted their psychological growth.

Doing what's right is rarely easy.
But that doesn't make it any less right.

Thanks for shining light on the discussion SentinelOfLight

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Re: Should the death penalty be allowed?

A question that will never have a final answer because there will always be differing opinions put forth by people.

But I think it should be mandatory for ne'er do wells (and their friends too) who hack into another's computer and destroy 10s of thousands of files.
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A question that will never have a final answer
because there will always be differing opinions put forth by people.

But I think it should be mandatory
for ne'er do wells (and their friends too)
who hack into another's computer and destroy 10s of thousands of files.

Any excuse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDO6HV6xTmI
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Sentinel, if you watched some of those Carlin videos, what categories do they fall into on your chart of Virtues, Vanities, and Vices? (His Chart is basically Earth/Fire, with Gemini Moon and Leo Asc.)

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Sentinel, if you watched some of those Carlin videos, what categories do they fall into on your chart of Virtues, Vanities, and Vices? (His Chart is basically Earth/Fire, with Gemini Moon and Leo Asc.)
My Creed is a structure of conduct, not a scale to measure people by, dude. LOL! (Thin distinction, I know.)

I did, however, watch the skits, and I'd say Carlin was satirizing the general public's vices with very tongue-in-cheek, virtuous intent. I think he was pointing out the fact that our culture has become so dogmatic that it's absurd that we seem to care at all what we subject our children to, in terms of media violence. He was going so overboard it was impossible to take any of it seriously, which was no doubt his intention. Americans are f*cked up, man... We either go way too far in favor of punishing each other for things that need fixing, not punishing, or we puss out anytime somebody has an opinion we don't agree with. There has to be a reconciliation of these two extremes. But I think it's gotta start with the learned few who have a clearer picture of just how big the picture is.
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He definitely was good at lampooning taboos and rituals that most take for granted. Pretty outrageous on the face of it, but with compassionate intent. He was a champion of freedom of thought. Owed a lot to Lenny Bruce, who was destroyed for doing the same thing during an earlier era. It occurs to me that we're all under the penalty of death according to the dominant Paradigm.

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He definitely was good at lampooning taboos and rituals that most take for granted. Pretty outrageous on the face of it, but with compassionate intent. He was a champion of freedom of thought. Owed a lot to Lenny Bruce, who was destroyed for doing the same thing during an earlier era. It occurs to me that we're all under the penalty of death according to the dominant Paradigm.
Yes, we are. Laws are irrelevant when you're the one who elects the officials who make and enforce those laws. "The People" are more like "The Fishes in a Barrel".
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I am pro-death penalty. Some people do not deserve to live. Is it "their own fault" that they are this way? No. But the same argument could be applied to all kinds of criminals and we would end up with not punishing any of them.
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I am pro-death penalty. Some people do not deserve to live. Is it "their own fault" that they are this way? No. But the same argument could be applied to all kinds of criminals and we would end up with not punishing any of them.
Do tigers deserve to live amongst us, roaming free? Or should we lock them away? Or, just murder them to prove we don't believe in murder?
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Do tigers deserve to live amongst us, roaming free? Or should we lock them away? Or, just murder them to prove we don't believe in murder?
I am not sure what you are trying to get at. But to answer your question, no tigers should not be allowed to live among us. We can either put them in zoos or let them roam free in "free" areas such as African savannahs.

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Do tigers deserve to live amongst us, roaming free? Or should we lock them away? Or, just murder them to prove we don't believe in murder?
The dog is considered to be the man's best friend. But when it viciously attacks someone, do we lock it away or do we put it down?

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I am not sure what you are trying to get at. But to answer your question, no tigers should not be allowed to live among us. We can either put them in zoos or let them roam free in "free" areas such as African Savannahs.
We have prisons for our most dangerous fellow creatures. Killing them plays into the culture of violence that influences many of them to become predators in the first place.
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We have prisons for our most dangerous fellow creatures. Killing them plays into the culture of violence that influences many of them to become predators in the first place.
I think that with some of them the environment/s is not a factor. Some people are simply born ruthless or without a conscience. It's in their genes.
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I think that with some of them the environment/s is not a factor. Some people are simply born ruthless or without a conscience. It's in their genes.
So, if it's just their "nature", lock them away, like the tigers.
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So, if it's just their "nature", lock them away, like the tigers.
Locking them away seems like a waste of our time, resources and man-power. I say just kill them, if the crimes they commit are truly egregious (like murder or rape).
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Locking them away seems like a waste of our time, resources and man-power. I say just kill them, if the crimes they commit are truly egregious (like murder or rape).
That will support the culture of violence, ensuring more violent crimes will be committed than if we say "no" to killing.Executions are VERY expensive, btw. And if someone innocent is wrongly convicted of a death penalty crime, it's not possible to release them once they've been executed.

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