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Re: Astrology As Science

To answer that question, one must define what Science is.

If Science is studies for looking for the truths, but its method is based on empirical data and its analysis, then Astrology is a Science.

Because that is what Astrology is LARGELY based on. It is a combined Science of Astronomy, Religion and Psychology (in modern times).

Because also Astrology's antiquity in origin, one should not ignore, what and how the ancients dealt with the subject. One cannot just look at Astrology from present point of view, or angle of so called "professional scientists", and define what Astrology is. In that case, they are destined to arrive at narrow short sighted misconception on what Astrology is.

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Re: Astrology As Science

I don't know what all that "Astrotheology" business is about... there's nothing to it to worship.
Is anybody genuflecting to and worshipping Pluto or the Moon... and it's improving their lives, wildly (or in any measure)?

I've always said Astrology is a mysticism, a divination... it can hardly be considered a science or religion.
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I don't know what all that "Astrotheology" business is about...
there's nothing to it to worship.
Is anybody genuflecting to and worshipping Pluto
or the Moon...
and it's improving their lives, wildly (or in any measure)?

I've always said Astrology is a mysticism, a divination...
it can hardly be considered a science or religion.
On our traditional board no one worships dwarf planetoid pluto
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It is not. Get better and prove it.
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Hmmm.Sidereal astrology is more scientic tham tropical, using the actual positions, using angles as prominet places and the Sun if course as the main sign (or if it is hard aspect with other planets you more likely take the nature of that planet ie it's sign). The angles are active places they are more apparent but not necessarily stronger. They also study people (they take random samples of people and note there job and life span etc. Then list the averages ex: is that many sidereal sag are head if states compared to some other signs.)

However, you have me a moon in Leo, Sun in Saggitarius and angular Jupiter that has very little sidereal Saggitarius traits and they do blame some of it in Pluto (which represents disruption and is seldom used) only cause it aspects my moon is it more personal. Still scientificly speaking how could something as tiny as Pluto be so disruptive (symbolically look at its orbit).

Even if they make it more scientific it isn't a science.

I study all forms of astrology as a mystic force if it was a science then I can't say I would study it
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Hmmm.Sidereal astrology is more scientic tham tropical, using the actual positions, using angles as prominet places and the Sun if course as the main sign (or if it is hard aspect with other planets you more likely take the nature of that planet ie it's sign). The angles are active places they are more apparent but not necessarily stronger. They also study people (they take random samples of people and note there job and life span etc. Then list the averages ex: is that many sidereal sag are head if states compared to some other signs.)

However, you have me a moon in Leo, Sun in Saggitarius and angular Jupiter that has very little sidereal Saggitarius traits and they do blame some of it in
Pluto (which represents disruption and is seldom used)
dwarf planetoid pluto is irrelevant on Traditional board
read the Traditional board rules
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only cause it aspects my moon is it more personal. Still scientificly speaking how could something as tiny as Pluto be so disruptive (symbolically look at its orbit).

Even if they make it more scientific it isn't a science.

I study all forms of astrology as a mystic force if it was a science then I can't say I would study it
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Yes. Jupiter sag thats exactly my point!
If it's such a science then why would they use a dawrf planet as an explanation (which scientificly makes no sense).
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Yes. Jupiter sag thats exactly my point!
If it's such a science then why
would they use a dawrf planet as an explanation
(which scientificly makes no sense).
thanks for the clarification
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Yea I'm not here to argue Pluto (especially not on a scientific stand point).
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Yea I'm not here to argue Pluto
(especially not on a scientific stand point).
dwarf planetoids are extraneous
- so would be interesting to have your comments
on your perspective
of how astrology could be more scientific

and whether there are any forms of astrology that you consider ARE scientific
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how astrology could be more scientific

and whether there are any forms of astrology that you consider ARE scientific
What is your definition of scientific?
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What is your definition of scientific?
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What about your own definition?

There have been different definition and conception about Science throughout history, and also even now people have different views and concepts on Science.
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What about your own definition?

There have been different definition and conception about Science throughout history, and also
even now people have different views and concepts on Science.

Exactly - so what's your definition
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Exactly - so what's your definition
You seem having habit of answering with questions for my questions

The word Science originates from Latin Scentia, which means to learn and to know.

So it is just knowledge of something, if you go by the original meaning of science.
And it is also for knowledge which is acquired by classification, observation, analysis and experimentation and comparisons from set rules and principles.

If you apply above criteria to astrology, and ask whether astrology is science, then I would think yes, there are strong tendencies, characteristics and properties that astrology is a science. It also has aspects of psychology and occultism too in some respect.

Of course, these days the meaning of the word has expanded, and also some people seem to think that science is only to do with some technological machine engineering stuff or some chemical physical biological stuff happening in laboratories. I think it is a very narrow and secularised notion of definition of science.

I was quite shocked to see also some people actually attack on the people who use science from its original or expanded meaning, as if it is not allowed or ignorant practice.
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I was quite shocked to see also some people actually attack on the people who use science from its original or expanded meaning, as if it is not allowed or ignorant practice.
Calling it science when you fail to scientifically validate (in the popular sense of the term that is accepted in the skeptical community, let's not play the word game) and establish it just does not help making it science.
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Calling it science when you fail to scientifically validate (in the popular sense of the term that is accepted in the skeptical community, let's not play the word game) and establish it just does not help making it science.
Astrology's main aim is not sending rockets to the Moon or to other planets, so it does not need mysterious validation you demand, to be called a science
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Astrology's main aim is not sending rockets to the Moon or to other planets, so
it does not need mysterious validation you demand, to be called a science

you are entitled to your opinion, everyone else is equally entitled to an opinion
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Of course

But there are definitely points which make more sense objectively
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Of course

But there are definitely points which make more sense objectively
Definitely, assuming of course
that someone studying astrology only since January 2018
has read and studied all those points in depth
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But there are definitely points which make more sense objectively
Which is why I will not try to be pretentious by using my own subjective sense of the word.
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Which is why I will not try to be pretentious by using my own subjective sense of the word.
Misleading and hypocritical statement itself.

It is not my own definition invented by myself subjectively, but it is a definition I have chosen to go with from many other historical and objective definitions.
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You mean obsolete then?
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You mean obsolete then?
Nothing is obsolete. After all this is Traditional Astrology board.
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Nothing is obsolete. After all this is Traditional Astrology board.
Word game again. I did not meant that history or astrology is obsolete.

You rather use a word with a different meaning from the scientific community for some purpose, that I personally and many others do not see as very useful or helpful to make astrology actually scientific.

So you are going to continue using the word ''science'' in an obsolete sense, but I and many others are going to continue reading it as ''not-science''. Hopefully you do not get offended by the difference of language, because in such case you believe you are actually doing a science, and if that is the case, then you would be deluded.

You probably do believe you are scientific, otherwise you will not be so firm in your choice of language.

And if you are actually doing something scientific, then it can easily be tested by making a scientific experiment.
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