Astrologers' Community  

Go Back   Astrologers' Community > General Astrology > Natal Astrology > Dignities & debilities

Dignities & debilities Board for discussing planets in dignities and debilities in natal charts.


Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #51  
Unread 08-01-2012, 05:07 AM
piscesascendant piscesascendant is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Ohio
Posts: 452
Re: Moon in Capricorn--Grrrr.... :(

Quote:
Originally Posted by Southpaw View Post
and you still have yet to prove it's not alpha.

Traditional domiciles and detriments don't tell the entire story since you seemed to have missed the point in my prior post that you quoted.
I have known of several people with Capricorn Moon, none of whom are alpha. Experience is my "proof."

I didn't miss any point. I was sticking to the topic.

Reply With Quote
  #52  
Unread 08-01-2012, 05:17 AM
Southpaw Southpaw is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 128
Re: Moon in Capricorn--Grrrr.... :(

Quote:
Originally Posted by piscesascendant View Post
I have known of several people with Capricorn Moon, none of whom are alpha. Experience is my "proof."

I didn't miss any point. I was sticking to the topic.
Let's have a quick review
Quote:
Originally Posted by piscesascendant View Post
I do not have Moon in Capricorn, but know of several people who do. I have a... "distaste" for their apparently emotionless selves. They may have achieved much in life, sure, but I really dislike their cold, emotionless nature. It's being near a cold stone. Perhaps achievement is the thing that satisfies their moon Granted, there could very well be other factors contributing to the feeling, but I've noticed a pattern that rubs me the wrong way. Not sure if others sense anything similar.
These several people you know all happen to be hard-driving high achievers. This suggests that they're winners in this hard and competitive world. These are strong alpha people, and all it took was a small sample of the several Cap Moons you happen to know in order for you to spot this trend.

You tried to disqualify them earlier due to having insecurities. Well, insecurity is also a Cancerian trait. You know the domicile spot for the Moon. I'd even argue that insecurity is a factor in what makes people driven to do great things.
Reply With Quote
  #53  
Unread 08-01-2012, 05:24 AM
piscesascendant piscesascendant is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Ohio
Posts: 452
Re: Moon in Capricorn--Grrrr.... :(

Quote:
Originally Posted by Southpaw View Post
Let's have a quick review
These several people you know all happen to be hard-driving high achievers. This suggests that they're winners in this hard and competitive world. These are strong alpha people, and all it took was a small sample of the several Cap Moons you happen to know in order for you to spot this trend.

You tried to disqualify them earlier due to having insecurities. Well, insecurity is also a Cancerian trait. You know the domicile spot for the Moon. I'd even argue that insecurity is a factor in what makes people driven to do great things.
I've known several people who are higher achievers who are not alpha. I've also known several people who are alpha who say they haven't accomplished anything. One does not necessarily equate with the other.

Each sign will probably have its own type of insecurity, and Capricorn Moon people are no strangers to that.
Reply With Quote
  #54  
Unread 08-01-2012, 05:33 AM
Southpaw Southpaw is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 128
Re: Moon in Capricorn--Grrrr.... :(

Quote:
Originally Posted by piscesascendant View Post
I've known several people who are higher achievers who are not alpha. I've also known several people who are alpha who say they haven't accomplished anything. One does not necessarily equate with the other.

Each sign will probably have its own type of insecurity, and Capricorn Moon people are no strangers to that.
and the other several? You need to be confident in yourself in order to win and tackle tough tasks, achieving as you like to call it. Did you play any sports while growing up? There's correlation between winning and being dominant. The top dog that day wins or achieves.

so why mention insecurity earlier in attempt to say they're not alpha? Going by your definition I guess no influences are more likely to be at the peak of the mountain.
Reply With Quote
  #55  
Unread 08-01-2012, 05:41 AM
piscesascendant piscesascendant is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Ohio
Posts: 452
Re: Moon in Capricorn--Grrrr.... :(

Quote:
Originally Posted by Southpaw View Post
and the other several? You need to be confident in yourself in order to win and tackle tough tasks, achieving as you like to call it. Did you play any sports while growing up? There's correlation between winning and being dominant. The top dog that day wins or achieves.
Not necessarily.

Quote:
so why mention insecurity earlier in attempt to say they're not alpha? Going by your definition I guess no influences are more likely to be at the peak of the mountain.
Because they were insecure. Capricorn Moon people I've known overcompensate for their insecurities, and others can mistake this for alpha.
Reply With Quote
  #56  
Unread 08-01-2012, 05:52 AM
Southpaw Southpaw is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 128
Re: Moon in Capricorn--Grrrr.... :(

Quote:
Originally Posted by piscesascendant View Post
Not necessarily.



Because they were insecure. Capricorn Moon people I've known overcompensate for their insecurities, and others can mistake this for alpha.
Now being alpha is associated with insecurity?

Can you name a Moon Sign that is greater at leading men for war, an alpha duty? While you're at it, I also forgot to mention earlier that Julius Caesar was also a Capricorn Moon.

[deleted attacking comments - Moderator]

Last edited by wilsontc; 08-01-2012 at 04:48 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #57  
Unread 08-01-2012, 07:56 AM
may28gemini
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Moon in Capricorn--Grrrr.... :(

I read the back and forth between southpaw and pisces about capricorn moon. very interesting and hilarious discussion.

i agree with piscesasc because capricorn sign in any planet except for mars naturally exists as being insecure. capricorn is achievement oriented because they are extremely insecure on the inside and being earth bound, they seek external validation as a padding for their internal turmoil. i've met a lot of capricorn moons and although, i was friends with them because they sought me out, after awhile, they got cold and downright nasty. i had no choice but to leave them and not look back. in general, cap moons try to do the right thing but they always end up f*cking up with people. cap moon does not know nor feel why something is "the right thing" but they try to do these "right things" because it's traditionally indoctrinated in society and cap is very status quo. the problem of doing things without much belief/conviction in the actions on a philosophical and emotional level is there no higher connection and therefore, no internal rewards can be achieved. when dealing with objects and business, cap moons would be bar none, top notch- but that doesn't mean alpha. cap is slightly better than "shallow" but there's NOTHING deep about them- in any placement. not even when exalted in mars.

pisces, i don't think aqua moons are cold necessarily but they are very distant and detached. i think southpaws was trying to illustrate their similarities:
cap and aqua are both saturn ruled signs so when in moon position, you're going to experience something similar to saturn-moon aspects. aqua actually can be cold, but not cold in the malicious way that cap gets, aqua cold is more like "i don't know how to handle this so i won't get involved..." cap cold is, "everyone is worthless and a complete waste of space so i'm not going to bother." cap moons feel very little for themselves- there's a lot of self-loathing and feel nothing for others. aqua moons actually do feel for others but have difficulty expressing it in a way that wouldn't be mushy and gross them out.

and southpaw, you're right about in real world aries mars in dignity is actually inferior to detriment taurus. most people do not really understand how dignity in a malefic planet actually enhances the malefication. i tried to explain that in another thread, but too many people had their heads up their a$$ and kept fighting me.

anyway, i have taurus mars and i will stick around and wait to crush my opponent. i could give give 2 sh*ts if it takes forever because i will make heads will roll if i want. most of the time, i don't want any violence, i don't even like arguing, but i do give into the reality that it fighting and arguing is necessary so if i must, i'll battle to win. it's only the important things that i will definitely stand my ground and go to war over but other than that, i let a lot of sh*t slide. keep in mind, taurus mars doesn't operate on pride, not the way that aries mars is prideful. taurus mars is only interested in the barebones essentials of what makes the native secure. taurus mars is almost a guaranteed money making placement as mars is a money planet and taurus is a money sign (the other money sign is scorpio). if you mess with someone's money and they have taurus mars, watch out! taurus will come collect debt nicely for awhile but if you don't pay up, taurus mars will hound you to the end of time to get back what's their's. trust me, i know. i'm generous but if you push my generosity, i'm going to be the torn in your side for eternity. taurus mars people also tend to pay back money quickly. we respect money and its value.

my best friend has aries mars. she can't seem to get much done. she starts everything, but rarely sees anything through. she switches sides a lot and when arguing, she doesn't tend to put her foot down. she has an explosive temper that eggs other people on and doesn't realize it. she gets into public arguments with strangers a lot and if i'm there, i intervene and do damage control. i control my temper and impulses pretty well, but she on the other hand, gives into her impulses all the time. despite all that, i love her. i always stand up for her and i don't mind her strange impulses. taurus mars is patient and will put up with silliness more than any other mars placement. also, aries mars tend to be very physically active but so can taurus mars. i like being physically active and i find that only aries mars has the interest and energy to want to do deal with physical strain so those are the only friends that are willing to go a lot of things with me and not afraid to break a sweat. dignity scorpio mars is even more inferior as it's weak and flabby and they like to stay at home and watch tv.

Last edited by may28gemini; 08-01-2012 at 08:31 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #58  
Unread 08-01-2012, 08:19 AM
piscesascendant piscesascendant is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Ohio
Posts: 452
Re: Moon in Capricorn--Grrrr.... :(

Quote:
Originally Posted by may28gemini View Post
I read the back and forth between southpaw and pisces about capricorn moon. very interesting and hilarious discussion.

i agree with piscesasc because capricorn sign in any planet except for mars naturally exists as being insecure. capricorn is achievement oriented because they are extremely insecure on the inside and being earth bound, they seek external validation as a padding for their internal turmoil. i've met a lot of capricorn moons and although, i was friends with them because they sought me out, after awhile, they got cold and downright nasty. i had no choice but to leave them and not look back. in general, cap moons try to do the right thing but they always end up f*cking up with people. when dealing with objects and business, cap moons would be bar none, top notch- but that doesn't mean alpha.

and southpaw, you're right about in real world aries mars in dignity is actually inferior to detriment taurus. most people do not really understand how dignity in a malefic planet actually enhances the malefication. i tried to explain that in another thread, but too many people had their heads up their a$$ and kept fighting me.
i have taurus mars and i will stick around and wait to crush my opponent, i wouldn't care if it takes forever. heads will roll when i determine it's what i want. most of the time, i don't want any violence, i don't even like arguing. it's only the important things that i will definitely stand my ground. my best friend has aries mars. she can't seem to get much done. she starts everything, but rarely sees anything through. she switches sides a lot and when arguing, she doesn't tend to put her foot down. she has an explosive temper that eggs other people on and doesn't realize it. i control my temper and impulses pretty well, but she on the other hand, gives into her impulses all the time.
Interesting take, may28gemini, but I would disagree with Mars being inferior in Aries as opposed to Taurus. I don't have Mars in either of those signs, so there's no axe to grind there. You have to consider, though, the activity of what is being undertaken. Taurus may help Mars in ways Aries may not be able to, but in the end, Mars in Taurus does strike me as inferior since Mars would not enjoy being in a fixed earth sign.

It's true that some people who have placements in detriment or fall may appear to have accomplished quite a bit, but it's been noticeable when I've been around such people that the accomplishments are masking deep insecurities and inner turmoil (as you put it) as a result. If there's still such inner turmoil after they've done so much, what have they really accomplished?

There's been talk on plenty of threads about how others view those with placements in exaltation or domicile as potentially lazy or inert, whereas those who have placements in detriment or fall accomplish a lot. Keep in mind that those accomplishments could simply be overcompensating, and granted, others may value the fruits of their labor, but what do those who've "accomplished" really have other than material "gain" in exchange for inner turmoil?

Glad you're enjoying the thread, too. lol

By the way, Aquarius is ruled by Saturn and Uranus. The distancing and detachment some ascribe to it is simply Aquarius's way to stepping away from Saturn in order to makes changes (Uranus).

Last edited by piscesascendant; 08-01-2012 at 08:22 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #59  
Unread 08-01-2012, 08:44 AM
Skywomb's Avatar
Skywomb Skywomb is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Citizen of the World, currently stuck in Sweden
Posts: 283
Re: Moon in Capricorn--Grrrr.... :(

My grandmother did never curse her entire life to anyones knowledge at least (OK once when she got a fork in her forehead). She had her Moon in Capricorn.
She had lots of Virgo and some Libra as well, I think.

She was never an achiever, well OK she built a nice garden and worked a lot with that, and her children.
Emotionally distant, yes. Dead, yes.
From another era. Nicest person I've known (now I'm quite a bit Capricorn/Scorpio-ish so), and her actual children well she took good care of them is all I can say. And from what I heard she was always very calm a person and kind (but yes distant).

Bladibladabla!
__________________
My Natal chart (1991 11 24 11:15 AM Västerås Sweden)


Last edited by Skywomb; 08-01-2012 at 08:50 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #60  
Unread 08-01-2012, 08:53 AM
may28gemini
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Moon in Capricorn--Grrrr.... :(

Quote:
Originally Posted by piscesascendant View Post
Interesting take, may28gemini, but I would disagree with Mars being inferior in Aries as opposed to Taurus. I don't have Mars in either of those signs, so there's no axe to grind there. You have to consider, though, the activity of what is being undertaken. Taurus may help Mars in ways Aries may not be able to, but in the end, Mars in Taurus does strike me as inferior since Mars would not enjoy being in a fixed earth sign.

It's true that some people who have placements in detriment or fall may appear to have accomplished quite a bit, but it's been noticeable when I've been around such people that the accomplishments are masking deep insecurities and inner turmoil (as you put it) as a result. If there's still such inner turmoil after they've done so much, what have they really accomplished?

There's been talk on plenty of threads about how others view those with placements in exaltation or domicile as potentially lazy or inert, whereas those who have placements in detriment or fall accomplish a lot. Keep in mind that those accomplishments could simply be overcompensating, and granted, others may value the fruits of their labor, but what do those who've "accomplished" really have other than material "gain" in exchange for inner turmoil?

Glad you're enjoying the thread, too. lol

By the way, Aquarius is ruled by Saturn and Uranus. The distancing and detachment some ascribe to it is simply Aquarius's way to stepping away from Saturn in order to makes changes (Uranus).
i like you. you're hilarious and a good sport. no, i don't think you have any axe to grind, you pretty much just come out and say it. i like it when people don't agree with me but are capable of being good humored about it and not being defensive. i like aqua moons actually. you guys are good sports and not so attached with sensitivity and ego like a bunch of other moons which i will not mention because i don't want to start a war about it

when i mentioned about cap and aqua being saturn ruled, i omitted uranus out because it was a reference to what southpaw said earlier. i do understand how uranus plays his part in making aquarius wonky

i can understand why a lot of people would say aries mars would be superior to taurus. aries is exciting and very action oriented. maybe too action oriented. taurus is traditionally lazy, fat, into luxuries, being shallow, etc. i have to say that yes, taurus mars is also guilty of those when afflicted. thankfully my mars isn't afflicted and trines both jupiter and saturn so my taurus mars isn't that yucky LOL i do like nice things, i do want to possess beautiful objects. but i don't put off facing some pretty hairy situations and i'm not afraid to fight. my best friend with an aries mars always counts on me to fight on her side and i always have her back. taurus mars is superior to aries mars in the sense that we're bound to a higher sense of loyalty. aries mars isn't afraid to flip the script if it means getting what they want.
Reply With Quote
  #61  
Unread 08-01-2012, 12:37 PM
piscesascendant piscesascendant is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Ohio
Posts: 452
Re: Moon in Capricorn--Grrrr.... :(

Quote:
Originally Posted by may28gemini View Post
taurus mars is superior to aries mars in the sense that we're bound to a higher sense of loyalty. aries mars isn't afraid to flip the script if it means getting what they want.
When it comes planetary placements and exaltation, domicile, detriment, and fall, a planet is deemed either exalted or in domicile if the sign assists the planet in a way that makes the best use of the planets'/luminary's energy. If a sign hinders a planet's/luminary's energy, it is said to be in detriment or fall. As for whether that makes a placement "superior" or "inferior, some might argue that that's subjective, but frankly, it's going to depend on context. I've noticed a tendency of those who have placements in detriment or fall to try to make up for being in the trenches by citing contexts where their own natal placements might put them ahead of exaltation or domicile. They may be able to highlight an example or two, but ultimately, a placement in detriment or fall is uncomfortable where it's at.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to piscesascendant For This Useful Post:
wintersprite1 (08-01-2012)
  #62  
Unread 08-01-2012, 04:46 PM
wilsontc's Avatar
wilsontc wilsontc is offline
Senior Member, Moderator
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 6,699
deleted attacking posts

All,

I deleted and edited some postings that got to be more about personal attacks than astrology. Keep discussions focused on the PROBLEM on the PERSON. I will continue to delete attacks as necessary. If the attacks continue that could lead to a Moderator Warning which could lead to banning.

Reminding,

Tim
__________________
To learn basic astrological chart interpretation for your chart see:
http://learnaboutyourastrochart.jimdo.com/

Last edited by wilsontc; 08-02-2012 at 03:48 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #63  
Unread 08-02-2012, 01:46 AM
Southpaw Southpaw is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 128
Re: Moon in Capricorn--Grrrr.... :(

Quote:
Originally Posted by may28gemini View Post
I read the back and forth between southpaw and pisces about capricorn moon. very interesting and hilarious discussion.

i agree with piscesasc because capricorn sign in any planet except for mars naturally exists as being insecure. capricorn is achievement oriented because they are extremely insecure on the inside and being earth bound, they seek external validation as a padding for their internal turmoil. i've met a lot of capricorn moons and although, i was friends with them because they sought me out, after awhile, they got cold and downright nasty. i had no choice but to leave them and not look back. in general, cap moons try to do the right thing but they always end up f*cking up with people. cap moon does not know nor feel why something is "the right thing" but they try to do these "right things" because it's traditionally indoctrinated in society and cap is very status quo. the problem of doing things without much belief/conviction in the actions on a philosophical and emotional level is there no higher connection and therefore, no internal rewards can be achieved. when dealing with objects and business, cap moons would be bar none, top notch- but that doesn't mean alpha. cap is slightly better than "shallow" but there's NOTHING deep about them- in any placement. not even when exalted in mars.

pisces, i don't think aqua moons are cold necessarily but they are very distant and detached. i think southpaws was trying to illustrate their similarities:
cap and aqua are both saturn ruled signs so when in moon position, you're going to experience something similar to saturn-moon aspects. aqua actually can be cold, but not cold in the malicious way that cap gets, aqua cold is more like "i don't know how to handle this so i won't get involved..." cap cold is, "everyone is worthless and a complete waste of space so i'm not going to bother." cap moons feel very little for themselves- there's a lot of self-loathing and feel nothing for others. aqua moons actually do feel for others but have difficulty expressing it in a way that wouldn't be mushy and gross them out.

and southpaw, you're right about in real world aries mars in dignity is actually inferior to detriment taurus. most people do not really understand how dignity in a malefic planet actually enhances the malefication. i tried to explain that in another thread, but too many people had their heads up their a$$ and kept fighting me.

anyway, i have taurus mars and i will stick around and wait to crush my opponent. i could give give 2 sh*ts if it takes forever because i will make heads will roll if i want. most of the time, i don't want any violence, i don't even like arguing, but i do give into the reality that it fighting and arguing is necessary so if i must, i'll battle to win. it's only the important things that i will definitely stand my ground and go to war over but other than that, i let a lot of sh*t slide. keep in mind, taurus mars doesn't operate on pride, not the way that aries mars is prideful. taurus mars is only interested in the barebones essentials of what makes the native secure. taurus mars is almost a guaranteed money making placement as mars is a money planet and taurus is a money sign (the other money sign is scorpio). if you mess with someone's money and they have taurus mars, watch out! taurus will come collect debt nicely for awhile but if you don't pay up, taurus mars will hound you to the end of time to get back what's their's. trust me, i know. i'm generous but if you push my generosity, i'm going to be the torn in your side for eternity. taurus mars people also tend to pay back money quickly. we respect money and its value.

my best friend has aries mars. she can't seem to get much done. she starts everything, but rarely sees anything through. she switches sides a lot and when arguing, she doesn't tend to put her foot down. she has an explosive temper that eggs other people on and doesn't realize it. she gets into public arguments with strangers a lot and if i'm there, i intervene and do damage control. i control my temper and impulses pretty well, but she on the other hand, gives into her impulses all the time. despite all that, i love her. i always stand up for her and i don't mind her strange impulses. taurus mars is patient and will put up with silliness more than any other mars placement. also, aries mars tend to be very physically active but so can taurus mars. i like being physically active and i find that only aries mars has the interest and energy to want to do deal with physical strain so those are the only friends that are willing to go a lot of things with me and not afraid to break a sweat. dignity scorpio mars is even more inferior as it's weak and flabby and they like to stay at home and watch tv.
Caps while cold actually show care to their close ones in private. Aquas on the other hand are in lala land daydreaming on cloud 9 about how to be some noble world changer.

My only bone with Caps is how they can be lacking in morals and principles to the point where it even bothers me. Plus they're very no nonsense and can be boring to talk to for this reason.

exactly. People can be too gullible when it comes to these traditional dignities and debilities. Instead of doing actual research themselves to see what positions for Mars is best at combat, the purest manifestation of Mars, they just believe whatever is written in a bunch of books. Astrologers *are not* historians and record keepers.

Aries Mars has been shown to be clearly inferior to Taurus Mars in the most basic form of combat, hand to hand.

Then there's also more advanced forms of combat like military operations. Mars in Virgo or Gemini is the man there.

Quote:
Originally Posted by piscesascendant View Post
Interesting take, may28gemini, but I would disagree with Mars being inferior in Aries as opposed to Taurus. I don't have Mars in either of those signs, so there's no axe to grind there. You have to consider, though, the activity of what is being undertaken. Taurus may help Mars in ways Aries may not be able to, but in the end, Mars in Taurus does strike me as inferior since Mars would not enjoy being in a fixed earth sign.
Yet Mars shines for war in Virgo or Gemini.

Seriously, if Mars in Aries can't even do well in combat, then it's not serving Mars well at all.

Being a "natural" position doesn't mean it makes the wisest use of it.

Last edited by Southpaw; 08-02-2012 at 02:01 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #64  
Unread 08-02-2012, 03:18 AM
m0ney*p0wer*re$pect's Avatar
m0ney*p0wer*re$pect m0ney*p0wer*re$pect is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Texas
Posts: 272
Re: Moon in Capricorn--Grrrr.... :(

Wow, an Aries mars inferior to a Taurus mars, lol wow I've seen it all on here. I know ppl with both placements n while yea Taurus sees things thru, it's not the best placement because they never let go of anything, including habits and prefer to do things in a way that guarantees failure, even if it's a better way. I've seen both operate n Taurus is just more stable and more stubborn and has alot more tendacy to develope habits
Reply With Quote
  #65  
Unread 08-02-2012, 06:49 AM
wintersprite1's Avatar
wintersprite1 wintersprite1 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,618
Re: Moon in Capricorn--Grrrr.... :(

Quote:
... lol wow I've seen it all on here....m0ney*p0wer*re$pect
As a rule, the forum tries to keep all conversations flowing. Unfortunately, this thread has gone way off the topic of a Capricorn Moon in debility to a free for all, name calling and sign bashing included. Planets in dignity have an easier time producing, and the opposite for those in debilities. Any Astrologer with a half wit will recognize that is still subject to other factors such as aspects or placements that the planet is involved with. Many Mars Scorpio friends of mine have a conjunction to Neptune in Scorpio. It is as interesting as it sounds.

TK
__________________
“But even when the moon looks like its waning...it's actually never changing shape. Don't ever forget that.”
― Ai Yazawa


******************************************
The Latest Blog

Last edited by wintersprite1; 08-02-2012 at 06:51 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #66  
Unread 08-02-2012, 08:15 AM
m0ney*p0wer*re$pect's Avatar
m0ney*p0wer*re$pect m0ney*p0wer*re$pect is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Texas
Posts: 272
Quote:
Originally Posted by wintersprite1 View Post
As a rule, the forum tries to keep all conversations flowing. Unfortunately, this thread has gone way off the topic of a Capricorn Moon in debility to a free for all, name calling and sign bashing included. Planets in dignity have an easier time producing, and the opposite for those in debilities. Any Astrologer with a half wit will recognize that is still subject to other factors such as aspects or placements that the planet is involved with. Many Mars Scorpio friends of mine have a conjunction to Neptune in Scorpio. It is as interesting as it sounds.

TK

Yea, I see that's it's been neglected on this thread that there's more to astrology than "personal distaste". This is the wrong sight to be subjective on but ignorance is bliss
Reply With Quote
  #67  
Unread 08-02-2012, 08:43 AM
may28gemini
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Moon in Capricorn--Grrrr.... :(

Quote:
Originally Posted by Southpaw View Post
Caps while cold actually show care to their close ones in private. Aquas on the other hand are in lala land daydreaming on cloud 9 about how to be some noble world changer.

My only bone with Caps is how they can be lacking in morals and principles to the point where it even bothers me. Plus they're very no nonsense and can be boring to talk to for this reason.

exactly. People can be too gullible when it comes to these traditional dignities and debilities. Instead of doing actual research themselves to see what positions for Mars is best at combat, the purest manifestation of Mars, they just believe whatever is written in a bunch of books. Astrologers *are not* historians and record keepers.

Aries Mars has been shown to be clearly inferior to Taurus Mars in the most basic form of combat, hand to hand.

Then there's also more advanced forms of combat like military operations. Mars in Virgo or Gemini is the man there.

Yet Mars shines for war in Virgo or Gemini.

Seriously, if Mars in Aries can't even do well in combat, then it's not serving Mars well at all.

Being a "natural" position doesn't mean it makes the wisest use of it.
cap moon does tend to be devoid of any sort of deeper or higher morality. i've met a lot of them and like i said before, my friendship with them would end on a bad note because i had to get away from them.

aqua in personal planetary positions create a dreamy longing for a uptopia. because aqua is fixed, it doesn't want to change but expects and wants the external world to change and that's probably why aqua moons seem to be in lala land to you. i don't mind air moons, they will either conjunct or trine my sun, mercury, venus, and rising either by sign, degree, or both. they're my biggest supporters but i am like 80% air so air signs are usual the people who side with me automatically.

hey, i told you i'm with you with the assessment that malefic planets in domicile enhances their malefication. that's like a criminal in their gang hideout: you're not going to get positive energy to combat against the malefication but you get more energies to feed off of what's already there- which happens to be malefic energy. people can agree or disagree, it doesn't matter. i just find it irritating that commenters will automatically default interpretations and misinterpretations of "texts" and don't make their own formulations/observations but find safety in reinforcing someone else's interpretations. how boring. but hey, like i said, i'm with you on that.
Reply With Quote
  #68  
Unread 08-02-2012, 09:17 AM
Inline's Avatar
Inline Inline is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 610
Re: Moon in Capricorn--Grrrr.... :(

Quote:
Originally Posted by may28gemini View Post
cap moon does tend to be devoid of any sort of deeper or higher morality. i've met a lot of them and like i said before, my friendship with them would end on a bad note because i had to get away from them....

???????
Are you soooo sure about this?

My sister has a cap moon and she is one of the most honest, ethical people i know.

My father had a cap moon and he was extremely ethical, working as a psychiatrist during the 60's & 70's.

And my first ex had a cap moon and he was fair and very ethical too.

PS. they are also very warm people. (and I'm a leo moon with cap mars)
Reply With Quote
  #69  
Unread 08-02-2012, 09:21 AM
may28gemini
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Moon in Capricorn--Grrrr.... :(

Quote:
Originally Posted by piscesascendant View Post
When it comes planetary placements and exaltation, domicile, detriment, and fall, a planet is deemed either exalted or in domicile if the sign assists the planet in a way that makes the best use of the planets'/luminary's energy. If a sign hinders a planet's/luminary's energy, it is said to be in detriment or fall. As for whether that makes a placement "superior" or "inferior, some might argue that that's subjective, but frankly, it's going to depend on context. I've noticed a tendency of those who have placements in detriment or fall to try to make up for being in the trenches by citing contexts where their own natal placements might put them ahead of exaltation or domicile. They may be able to highlight an example or two, but ultimately, a placement in detriment or fall is uncomfortable where it's at.
you know, it's funny. all this talk of aries vs taurus mars being off topic because you and southpaws were going back and forth over the definition of "alpha." i'm sure i'll get blamed by some people on this board that i messed up the thread because i went along with the deviation LOL
actually, i didn't want to intervene between you and southpaws but both of you guys shared some very interesting viewpoints and i always love it when unusual ideas pop up, esp. during a humorous exchange. maybe i give into my dignity gemini mercury too much but you two were cracking me up!!!

any fallen or detriment sign in any planet will be uncomfortable but discomfort is not necessarily a bad thing. discomfort will create some rough and distracting energies at first but the native has the opportunity to switch it up and learn how to make that discomfort turn into an advantage. but that only happens if the native tries EXTRA hard so you're absolutely right that it is overcompensation! fallen cap moon does not know how to take care of others in a caring/loving way but knows how to pay the bills on time. well... that's a fine quality. detriment taurus mars may not be too hot to trot on every single thing but at least it knows to finish what it starts.


there's always debates about aries mars vs. taurus mars. it's true that taurus mars is lazy but not in the sense of pure laziness and being unmotivated. on the contrary, taurus mars will not take up action when there is NO ACTUAL/PRACTICAL PURPOSE to fulfill. i know that very well. i've met many other taurus mars people and we all pretty much agree upon that. yes, mars is the planet of action. it's true. no one ever said mars had to be practical action or that mars must take up action and then finish the deed. mars is purely action and aries mars will produce just that: pure action. however, pure action without any purpose becomes wasteful and detrimental to the native and often results in killing a lot of time (which no one has much of anyway). that's not really something i see as a benefit. that's why i would say aries mars is "inferior" to taurus mars.

chances are, taurus mars people feel stagnant and uncomfortable with their physical body which can make them go on overdrive. being that taurus mars generally finishes up the task, the combo of developing self-discipline and taking regular action can be a fabulous result. cap mars is exalted because they were born with that self-discipline and taking regular action. taurus mars is considered detriment because once it starts, it doesn't stop. even mars the god of war has to take breaks! cap mars knows when to start and stop. but because taurus mars won't stop once it starts, it can actually surpass cap mars and achieve more because it went into overdrive all because of being "uncomfortable."

i'm not saying any of this as a "defense" to my placements or other people who share similar placements to me. i accept and like my chart top to bottom and laugh about all the yucky aspects/placements i have because i don't take it seriously. i find astrology fascinating but it's not the be all to end all, it certainly doesn't determine a person's worth or value. there's really a lot more gross stuff that astrology makes us aware of than there are truly good/lucky stuff. and yet, a lot of people get so fired up and are extremely attached to their chart which i find to be trivial. but hey, who cares. i think astrology teaches us we're born with what we're born with but we still have choices as to how to apply what we have and make what matters count. my taurus mars knows how to make things count and that's what matters to me. detriment or not, i achieved a lot of what i wanted to achieve and it's because of my will, not my chart that determined the outcome.
Reply With Quote
  #70  
Unread 08-02-2012, 09:31 AM
piscesascendant piscesascendant is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Ohio
Posts: 452
Re: Moon in Capricorn--Grrrr.... :(

Quote:
Originally Posted by may28gemini View Post
you know, it's funny. all this talk of aries vs taurus mars being off topic because you and southpaws were going back and forth over the definition of "alpha." i'm sure i'll get blamed by some people on this board that i messed up the thread because i went along with the deviation LOL
actually, i didn't want to intervene between you and southpaws but both of you guys shared some very interesting viewpoints and i always love it when unusual ideas pop up, esp. during a humorous exchange. maybe i give into my dignity gemini mercury too much but you two were cracking me up!!!

any fallen or detriment sign in any planet will be uncomfortable but discomfort is not necessarily a bad thing. discomfort will create some rough and distracting energies at first but the native has the opportunity to switch it up and learn how to make that discomfort turn into an advantage. but that only happens if the native tries EXTRA hard so you're absolutely right that it is overcompensation! fallen cap moon does not know how to take care of others in a caring/loving way but knows how to pay the bills on time. well... that's a fine quality. detriment taurus mars may not be too hot to trot on every single thing but at least it knows to finish what it starts.


there's always debates about aries mars vs. taurus mars. it's true that taurus mars is lazy but not in the sense of pure laziness and being unmotivated. on the contrary, taurus mars will not take up action when there is NO ACTUAL/PRACTICAL PURPOSE to fulfill. i know that very well. i've met many other taurus mars people and we all pretty much agree upon that. yes, mars is the planet of action. it's true. no one ever said mars had to be practical action or that mars must take up action and then finish the deed. mars is purely action and aries mars will produce just that: pure action. however, pure action without any purpose becomes wasteful and detrimental to the native and often results in killing a lot of time (which no one has much of anyway). that's not really something i see as a benefit. that's why i would say aries mars is "inferior" to taurus mars.

chances are, taurus mars people feel stagnant and uncomfortable with their physical body which can make them go on overdrive. being that taurus mars generally finishes up the task, the combo of developing self-discipline and taking regular action can be a fabulous result. cap mars is exalted because they were born with that self-discipline and taking regular action. taurus mars is considered detriment because once it starts, it doesn't stop. even mars the god of war has to take breaks! cap mars knows when to start and stop. but because taurus mars won't stop once it starts, it can actually surpass cap mars and achieve more because it went into overdrive all because of being "uncomfortable."

i'm not saying any of this as a "defense" to my placements or other people who share similar placements to me. i accept and like my chart top to bottom and laugh about all the yucky aspects/placements i have because i don't take it seriously. i find astrology fascinating but it's not the be all to end all, it certainly doesn't determine a person's worth or value. there's really a lot more gross stuff that astrology makes us aware of than there are truly good/lucky stuff. and yet, a lot of people get so fired up and are extremely attached to their chart which i find to be trivial. but hey, who cares. i think astrology teaches us we're born with what we're born with but we still have choices as to how to apply what we have and make what matters count. my taurus mars knows how to make things count and that's what matters to me. detriment or not, i achieved a lot of what i wanted to achieve and it's because of my will, not my chart that determined the outcome.
Understandable, although people might be surprised by how much their charts play a role in their lives, whether they realize it or not.
Reply With Quote
  #71  
Unread 08-02-2012, 09:48 AM
may28gemini
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Moon in Capricorn--Grrrr.... :(

Quote:
Originally Posted by piscesascendant View Post
Understandable, although people might be surprised by how much their charts play a role in their lives, whether they realize it or not.
yes, learning about one's chart can assist in a lot of personal growth but i'm going to take the aries mars approach (for once) and say, live and let live!

i was at an entrepreneur seminar last night and one of the presenters said, "remember, there is only truly one thing that rewards you in life and that is taking action!" quite fitting as los angeles is VERY aries- 6 or 7 aries planets (including sun) and zero air. yup. even my taurus mars must compete with where i live. and yet, life goes on...
Reply With Quote
  #72  
Unread 08-03-2012, 12:32 PM
poyi's Avatar
poyi poyi is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Australia
Posts: 4,015
Re: Moon in Capricorn--Grrrr.... :(

I think you can't really just use one Moon sign to determine everything.

I am Capricorn Moon. But people often tell me to calm down as I often laugh so loud that I will shock people around me and start laughing with me.

I have Jupiter conjunction at IC with SN ruling the 4th and 7th and Mercury in 3r house, Mercury ruling Virgo and Gemini in 1st & 10th house. So I talk a lot as well, very expressive.

I can cry in few seconds if I reading some sad stories or watching movies. Regarding to personal matter though, I hide away and I wont let people know that I feel sad or unwell. I would pretend nothing is going on. The reason is I dont think I should involve other if I dont trust them or there is nothing they could do to help.

Being practical I dont want to make them feel sad as well. Just like, "Whats the point?" But my emotion runs so deep deep deep yet no one would notice a thing if I dont want to let them know. If I have 39 degree fever I would still be working fine as if nothing was wrong. Is kind of sad as if I call in sick people would think she wasnt looking that sick.
__________________
“I believe there is something of the divine mystery in everything that exists. We can see it sparkle in a sunflower or a poppy. We sense more of the unfathomable mystery in a butterfly that flutters from a twig--or in a goldfish swimming in a bowl. But we are closest to God in our own soul. Only there can we become one with the greatest mystery of life. In truth, at very rare moments we can experience that we ourselves are that divine mystery.” --Jostein Gaarder, Sophie's World
Reply With Quote
  #73  
Unread 08-03-2012, 02:36 PM
wintersprite1's Avatar
wintersprite1 wintersprite1 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,618
Re: Moon in Capricorn--Grrrr.... :(

I have split off part of this thread and that can be found at Planets involved with Military Leaders

Now lets return to the original topic, Capricorn Moon.

As I said in the beginning of this thread so long ago, you really have to get to know one (and not in a superficial way... they can see that game). They are wickedly funny, often going over others heads. And Capricorn Moons have the same emotions as everyone else, they are just practical about it and choosy who they share untapped emotion with.

TK
__________________
“But even when the moon looks like its waning...it's actually never changing shape. Don't ever forget that.”
― Ai Yazawa


******************************************
The Latest Blog
Reply With Quote
  #74  
Unread 08-03-2012, 11:50 PM
soratothamax's Avatar
soratothamax soratothamax is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 311
Re: Moon in Capricorn--Grrrr.... :(

My experience with a debilitated moon (fall) isn't a happy one. Moon signs in this state will have negative reactions from it and toward it.

But one must try to understand where all of these negative displays of feelings are coming from to truly know how to understand such an emotionally complicated person. Maybe they had a bad past, maybe they were not taught how to express their emotions properly. You have to consider that.

Of course, if you have a peregrine Moon (Moon in Aquarius) not to make any waves, but you're not the best moon walking. Capricorns seem cold, but your outspoken thread was also insensitive. It seems that you didn't truly consider anothers' feelings. You are free to express yourself, but it's that same freedom that you took that made you look insensitive, no? It could be the same through a Cap's mind who might find you insensitive and not understanding, because you immediately wrote them off as cold without going any deeper into their feelings...which Aquarius Moons always miss.

When I read your thread post, I was like ouch, that was cold...So I wouldn't consider you to be the warmest and most understanding person either. At the same time, a moon that is not well placed or aspected will not be perfect. not in the least. If it were well placed, it wouldn't have as many negative reponses.

Of course, a little birdie on this message board taught me that what we perceive from another is simply a reflection of our own charts. possibly you see them as cold and insensitive because you yourself are etache and insensitive?...

It's the same with me. I used to see my mother as a drama mama, a **** starter, and a tyrant...but maybe I co-authored that behavior because I myself am that way and so perceive and push that behavior off on someone else...

Just food for thought.
Reply With Quote
  #75  
Unread 08-03-2012, 11:52 PM
piscesascendant piscesascendant is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Ohio
Posts: 452
Re: Moon in Capricorn--Grrrr.... :(

Just a reminder that Cap Moon isn't in fall. That belongs to Moon in Scorpio. Cap Moon is in detriment.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
capricorn, capricorngrrrr, moon

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Astrological Parts. Known and Unknown...a project piercethevale Astrological Parts 247 12-12-2019 03:41 AM
Whole sign houses and the MC Moog Houses & cusps 190 12-12-2011 11:27 AM
Tough Times Mark-Alexis Read My Chart 42 07-27-2011 04:44 AM
Capricorn Full Moon July 15: Your Inner Authority 2stepbay Recommendations 0 07-15-2011 02:50 AM
A Natal chart for fun. Bob Natal Astrology 48 04-16-2007 04:52 PM



All times are GMT. The time now is 10:57 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2005-2018, AstrologyWeekly.com. Boards' structure and all posts are property of AstrologyWeekly.com and their respective creators. No part of the messages sent on these boards may be copied without their owners' explicit consent.